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Phil Spencer on indie parity clause "I want people to feel like they're first class"
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Haha, screw that, life is too precious. I'm gonna go play Rogue Galaxy.
If 27 pages ain't convincing him, nothing will.
Final Verdict
Member
That is true, but this clause is not here to hinder those people without the ability to do a simultaneous release. (which is why he is willing to work with devs. with that situation)
It is there to keep all the devs. from prioritizing the development of the PS4 version when they could put equal effort into developing both versions simultaneously.
...He doesn't want the X1 version to be an afterthought to devs. to the point where all the xbox players are like "why are all these games coming to the PS4 first?"
And I think that it is a legit concern to have as PS4 has a much bigger install base, and so some devs. might would want to just hurry up and focus on getting a PS4 version out first, and then worrying about an X1 version only if it does good enough on the PS4.
But I still think that there is a better solution to this than a parity clause....
Like I said, offering incentives to devs. who release their games at the same time could go a long way.
BruiserBear
Banned
I have absolutely no problem with people who disagree with the parity clause. I don't personally object to it, but I have no problem with anyone else not liking it. I've made that quite clear.
BUT, you can't browse this thread and not see a lot of people who are really just being opportunists, and jumping on the opportunity to attack Microsoft and tell us how they don't want indie devs to feed their families. That is the sub narrative of this thread, regardless of people wanting to admit it. I have yet to a see an XB1 owner in this thread saying "man, I'm so mad this policy is keeping all these great games off the XB1".
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Thats when I change my Twiter name to just "Luis" or "Speedy" like it used to be. It I private it, or if I, when I'm 20, decide to be shamed of my past self, delete it.I don't think you understand how Twitter works. If you've used your real name, your SpeedyBlueDude account shows up at the top of a Google search.
And if you think that prospective employers (or partners for that matter) don't do basic Google search background checks, you're wildly naive.
I don't plan to be using "SpeedyBlueDude" or any username at 20 though, just Luis.
Also? The Hashtag wasn't an intention of starting a movement or anything, just me using Twitter hashtag system for funsies.
Mass Effect
Member
God damn it, Ami.
He was getting more hostile as the day went on though...
You have a strange way of having fun.
Surely the criticism, if taken on board, would actually benefit XB1 owners given that if there was no parity clause these devs would release their games on their platform of choice. So I don't see what's wrong with the criticism in this particular situation.
I have an Xbox One and I dislike the clause.
Pardon? You cannot be serious.
I'm getting an Xbox One in November. It will function as my primary console this generation. I'm also studying to be a game designer.
I don't like the parity clause.
Uno Venova
Banned
No one actually falls for the "you need to own this to have any legitimate criticisms" defense anymore guys.
shacklesmcgee
Member
Proposal : in order to comment in a thread pertaining to Xbox, you must provide a gamer tag that has been recently used. Same with PlayStation. Only then, will real discussion take place.
/s
SwiftDeath
Member
We have 2 XB1 owners who have gone on record not liking the clause. According to Bruiserbear we can now officially start complaining about it!
Edit: Oh my goodness with nynt9 it is up to 3! Madness!
Edit: Oh my goodness with nynt9 it is up to 3! Madness!
Honesty question do you see a substantial amount of X1 owner complaining about the clause. I'll gladly be wrong
Allez Phill
Banned
Jeez. Those posts literally started twisting my head sideways. I like video games, but the stuff he was saying just started to bother me.
Now it went from "any owner" to "substantial amount of owners"
Where will the goalpost move to next!??!?!
Have you even looked?
Germany, most likely. They won the World Cup, after all.
Maybe if you completely ignore all the posts and quotes from actual developers and owners of the system.
Good grief.
It just funny because you have game devs coming into thread saying its bad and the main reason we are not planning an xbone version.
"Your gamerscore is too low....."
Finally have an use for this.
I'm I wrong, do you see a substantial amount X1 owners complain about the clause. Yes or No
*and soon-to-be owners. With receipts of pre-ordering. Valid proof.
Goddammit, guys. I want in on this, too.
To be honest I feel like most of the real vocal Xbox One owners on this board have gotten together to push the narrative that indies aren't real games more than anything.
RespectThySole
Member
Just for the record I'm an Xbox One owner and I don't like this clause either. It doesn't benefit gamers.
Cynn
Member
When you turn 30 you'll go back to SpeedyBlueDude because you'll be hopelessly nostalgic and old enough to figure out that no one really cares in the first place. Godspeed my man.
The burden of proof is on you bro.
You can keep asking, but people will just shrug since no one cares enough to help you find your answer.
Why don't you create a new thread and request a poll for X1 owners on this topic?
This narrative doesn't hold water because it's actual content makers that are also taking issue with the parity clause. If you're happy receiving significantly less games then I encourage you to celebrate because that's exactly what's happening.
Are there a substantial amount of xbox owners out there, in general? The system hasn't even sold 10 million units yet!
Two can play this dumb game you're trying to play. Your argument is pointless, actual devs have complained here, owners of the system including myself are complaining here, and you don't need to own a system to complain about its policies. In fact, the complaints of non-owners are more valid in a sense, since the complaints are probably what's keeping them from owning the system. You've already bought the system clearly. Why do you care?
BruiserBear
Banned
Hey guys, he revised his question just slightly! That means we can completely ignore the question now and pretend it has no truth behind it!
I've seen enough posts in this thread to know if there have been complaints, they sure haven't been common.
Okay, then show us the stats.
If you said you have a random size that is considered enough, show us the %.
And how do you define common?
We will need a hard number on that to come to an agreement what is common and what isn't.
We're ignoring the question because it is fallacious. Not because we care about his obvious goalpost-moving tactics.
Night Angel
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Add me to the list.
IAmRandom31
Banned
How could an owner of an X1 not hate the parity clause if it is directly affecting great games from hitting the console?
WordsintheWater
Member
I'm an Xbox One owner and I dislike this clause. I think it's hurting Microsoft and the developers at the same time. Microsoft would benefit from many of these indie games coming to their system, doesn't have to be day 1. If I didn't own a PS4 I would be even more pissed at this clause.
You know how long Microsoft's parity clause has been discussed and said it fucking sucks? Since it was announced.
ID@Xbox launch clause has dev signing exclusive deal with Sony in order to be on XB1 - 12-04-2013
ID@Xbox head on the day-one parity clause: "I really can't talk about it." - 12-12-2013
EDGE: Indies praise XB1 self-publishing but MS must drop its launch parity policy - 03-31-2014
I guess if you don't care about indie games or are actively hostile towards them, or are just unequivocally a fan of everything Spencer does:
Jesus.
WordsintheWater
Member
Who wouldn't want more games on their system? This clause is directly affecting games from ever coming out to the Xbox One, what is there to like about it?
BruiserBear
Banned
And that's the magic question here. Are the great games not showing up on the platform? Because it seems like Microsoft makes concessions for the great ones.
I'm aware it's not a new topic.
The Swapper is a pretty damn great game that won't be coming to Xbox One because of this parity clause.
But did you count the number of xbone owners who complained tho? I mean it's important to have actual statistical figures to determine if 'many' owners actually care.... /s
I swear there's just something absolutely disgusting about how some will go to any lengths to defend a corporation they are blindly loyal to.....Surely it doesn't take a genius to realize receiving less amount of good games whether they are indie or otherwise is NOT beneficial to the end consumer. but fuck that...in Phil Spencer effect we trust!
I don't agree with that, games like Velocity 2X and The Swapper should be on the X1
WordsintheWater
Member
Why not just allow all of them? That way consumers can have more options, those games also get more exposure.
BruiserBear
Banned
Has the developer said "never"? How do you know it didn't just show up on the PS4 first?
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