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Is Halo still relevant?
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Northeastmonk
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I think at one point in time Halo made people relevant to gaming in general. If you played Halo and you knew a little about games then there you go. Halo was a popular game to play and most people did it without playing anything else.
I don't think it has reached that same height. I think the generation it brought in also left in such a rush. They probably saw a worse version of 2014 than we do now.
It's strange. I owned the XBox and every single Halo game at launch I'm sort of happy it's where it's at. I don't think it'll be super huge because gamers can be your worst enemies at times. They superimposed Halo. The same crowd who enjoyed Halo also don't want to be forced to stop because it's filled with younger people.
The Halo people I knew from H1-3 went separate ways in their lives. I stuck around for Reach, 4, and possibly 5. I don't know if I'd get sh*t if I said anything about it now. My generation isn't even that old. We got H1 like our freshman year in high school. People want to age real fast and I think Halo is just trying to spark the same light it once had. That could be a bad thing because it can feel way too different. Even I notice the huge graphical change from CE to now. I love the upgrade. I don't see why people give that so much hate.
Who wants to go from being on top of the world with Halo to a semi big brother? I think their negativity got to me. I almost despise multiplayer games now because of them. That game introduced me to the rudest set of people on the internet and the cockiest of words said with a controller in their hands.
I tried to forget about Halo because I was a happier gamer without it. I could enjoy games like I did before I ever got on XBL.
CoD is/was the Halo of yesterday. The same crowd will run into the same exact problems IMO. I even cringe at those Gamertag avatars with an MC on the front. I'm glad those days are gone. I hate feeling like a Halo cowboy. I'm just an adult trying to enjoy gaming without the remarks on the mic.
I don't think it has reached that same height. I think the generation it brought in also left in such a rush. They probably saw a worse version of 2014 than we do now.
It's strange. I owned the XBox and every single Halo game at launch I'm sort of happy it's where it's at. I don't think it'll be super huge because gamers can be your worst enemies at times. They superimposed Halo. The same crowd who enjoyed Halo also don't want to be forced to stop because it's filled with younger people.
The Halo people I knew from H1-3 went separate ways in their lives. I stuck around for Reach, 4, and possibly 5. I don't know if I'd get sh*t if I said anything about it now. My generation isn't even that old. We got H1 like our freshman year in high school. People want to age real fast and I think Halo is just trying to spark the same light it once had. That could be a bad thing because it can feel way too different. Even I notice the huge graphical change from CE to now. I love the upgrade. I don't see why people give that so much hate.
Who wants to go from being on top of the world with Halo to a semi big brother? I think their negativity got to me. I almost despise multiplayer games now because of them. That game introduced me to the rudest set of people on the internet and the cockiest of words said with a controller in their hands.
I tried to forget about Halo because I was a happier gamer without it. I could enjoy games like I did before I ever got on XBL.
CoD is/was the Halo of yesterday. The same crowd will run into the same exact problems IMO. I even cringe at those Gamertag avatars with an MC on the front. I'm glad those days are gone. I hate feeling like a Halo cowboy. I'm just an adult trying to enjoy gaming without the remarks on the mic.
Please. If you're going to selectively pick months, I can do that too. Here is the live activity for December 2007, both games have launched, and Halo 3 has been out for about 3 months at this time.
DECEMBER 25TH 2007 10:09 PM PT
LIVE Activity for week of 12/17
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles ( based on UUs)
1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
3 Gears of War
4 Guitar Hero III
5 Burnout Paradise Demo
6 Assassins Creed
7 Madden NFL 08
8 Mass Effect
9 Kane & Lynch (Demo)
10 Guitar Hero II
JULY 30TH 2008 2:32 AM PT
LIVE Activity for week of July 21st
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UUs)
1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
3 GTA IV
4 Gears of War
5 Guitar Hero III
6 Rock Band
7 Battlefield: Bad Company
8 Too Human Demo
9 Tom Clancys Rainbow Six Vegas 2
10 NCAA Football 09
AUGUST 14TH 2008 2:40 AM PT
LIVE Activity for week of August 4th
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UUs)
1 Halo 3
2 Call of Duty 4
3 GTA IV
4 Gears of War
5 Rock Band
6 Guitar Hero III
7 SOULCALIBUR IV
8 Battlefield: Bad Company
9 Braid
10 Madden NFL 09 Demo
DECEMBER 23RD 2008 8:32 PM PT
LIVE Activity for week of December 15th
Xbox 360 Top Live Titles (based on UUs)
1 Halo 3
2 CoD: World at War
3 Call of Duty 4
4 Gears of War 2
5 GTA IV
6 Dash of Destruction
7 Left 4 Dead
8 Madden NFL 09
9 FIFA 09
10 Fable II
What's this? So after the months you posted, magically Halo 3 was ahead of Call of Duty 4 and GTA IV again, still less than a year from launch? How does that invalidate my point? I said they traded spots back and forth. Hell look at December 2008, Halo 3 is ahead of both call of Duty games. It wasn't till Modern Warfare 2 launched did Call of Duty take the lead and Halo never recovered, otherwise, like I said, they traded top spots often, and Halo 3 was still #1 at times going into 2009. Don't let stats get in the way of your bullshit.
So I have a big mouth, I'm not a "normal" person and I'm egotistical with a victim complex? You can tell all that by a few posts I made about Halo? These aren't arguments. They are opinions. Ones that you are getting super rankled by evidently. Lighten up. Who made you the arbiter of what can and can't be said about Halo? I don't give two shits if you hate my opinion, I am perfectly entitled to put it out there in a thread called "Is Halo still Relevant?" I don't wish Halo was irrelevant, I honestly don't care a damn bit about Halo anymore as long as 343 manages to put out MCC without screwing it up. MCC is my only horse in the race. I'm indifferent to what 343 calls Halo.
You seem to be throwing around a lot of opinions, few of them on topic or even relating to the game. You seem to have more of them about me personally than Halo. What the hell was that whole rant in bold even about? I never said anything about a "hivemind" and I never said I was the voice of reason. I've been pretty clear about these being personal opinions.
You just keep on losing your shit over my opinions (smh, at that paragraph in bold still). I'll keep on running my "loud mouth" until you stop quoting me. Instead of personal attacks and one liners why don't you tell me why 343 is so great for Halo. What have they done to improve on or make the franchise their own? Talked to some "pro" gamers? Tinkered with some spawn points? Good job 343, lets fix the barn door after the horse escaped months ago. Tell me why its relevant, explain how 343 is going to keep it relevant. Crickets whenever this comes up.
You put one thing out there that is an actual argument I can address in all that nonsense I quoted; "Anyway, the cape Halo trailer debuted last year; well before the hype machine started on Destiny."
I formulate poor arguments? Destiny's concept art has been available since November of 2012. http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2012/11...bungies-new-ps3-and-xbox-360-shooter-destiny/ Here's one from Bungie themselves; http://halo.bungie.net/news/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=32235
Yeah, I'm sure Microsoft and 343 put their fingers in their ears and covered their eyes until "the hype machine started on Destiny". Why would they have any interest in what their biggest competitor for market share in the sci-fi shooter genre is doing, right? Why would they pay attention to what Bungie was doing? You don't really believe this do you? I thought the narrative was that hype was the only thing that allowed Destiny to move 5,000,000 units. You're telling me they built that much hype up from 2013? Nice argument.
Halo 4 may have had big sales, but it also had awful mindshare that just about affected the franchise as a whole.
Why? They have been working in the industry, on Halo, in one way or another since 2009. What have they done since then to be praised for? A studio with the full financial resources and industry expertise only a company like Microsoft can provide and they give us Halo 4?
I stand by my statement, with one minor caveat, just in case.
Bungie Halo > 343 Halo any way you slice it, as of now.
This has to be the most headstrong post I've read in years.
Sorry, you're too far gone to even have a rational discussion with.
Then stop quoting and engaging me and start addressing why Halo is still relevant with 343 at the helm. That seems to be the only discussion you are avoiding here.
You really don't have a coherent argument though. 343's first game was Halo 4. They didn't even take control of Reach until 2011 and they developed the Defiant Map Pack and then later Combat Evolved Anniversary in tandem with Saber and Certain Affinity.
You can hire 400 developers tomorrow, give them $200 million to make a game, and that doesn't mean anything. I didn't like Halo 4. But remove the Halo from the name, and it's one hell of a fine shooter and game. It's not a bad game, it wasn't a good Halo game.
As for Bungie Halo, most fans are in agreement that they got significantly worse with each subsequent Halo, culminating with Reach which was what started the decline. If anything 343 messed up following up on Bungie with the shit they introduced in Reach like unequal starts, armor abilities, sprint, jetpack, armor lock, 3x scope DMR.
343 had numerous hiccups getting their studio up and running, but they weren't the size of Bungie. Look at what Bungie has done with Destiny. Almost 5 years of development, hundreds of millions and then give us Destiny.
Want to judge how 343 is for Halo, wait till MCC is out and wait to see how Halo 5 is.
speakerlog
Member
I think you're so incredibly wrong it's not funny. Nothing come close to it back in 2001. (Except maybe Metroid Prime and Half Life 1).
Of course it's not going to go over well it's 2014 not 2001.
Hell I just played Red Faction 1 the other day and while it's a fun game it really just makes me appreciate how good CE was for it's time.
speakerlog
Member
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The only thing your avoiding is that your flawed and flimsy arguments got ripped apart and now trying to change the conversation. Youve done this multiple times in this very topic.
Of course youre going to feel singled out, because your logic is being analyzed and discussed. Dont like it? Sorry, I cant help you there; people will point out the flaws regardless. I said everything I needed to say about your approach in that post, and you gave me the most insane and headstrong post that you see in comment section on youtube. Your approach to that already tells me enough about you and how youre going to handle the further conversation.
It's no longer a system-selling juggernaut, but it's certainly relevant. It'll never be the best-selling title on a console again, but it will move units... For at least one more iteration.
If 343i fucks up Halo 5: Guardians the way they screwed up Halo 4, we may not even see a finish to the franchise. Halo 4 was a very large mis-step, both in terms of the single player campaign and the multiplayer.
Basically, if Halo 5 is a smashing, resounding success with nothing anybody can realistically complain about, Halo will remain a relevant franchise. If Halo 5 is another weak entry like Halo 4, it'll fade into obscurity.
If 343i fucks up Halo 5: Guardians the way they screwed up Halo 4, we may not even see a finish to the franchise. Halo 4 was a very large mis-step, both in terms of the single player campaign and the multiplayer.
Basically, if Halo 5 is a smashing, resounding success with nothing anybody can realistically complain about, Halo will remain a relevant franchise. If Halo 5 is another weak entry like Halo 4, it'll fade into obscurity.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
What.
blue_phazon
Member
All I know is that after playing Destiny, I have a deep craving for old Halo multiplayer. Not because Destiny is like Halo or anything, but because I'm really tired of COD-style shooters where it's super fast-paced. Destiny toned it down a little and I enjoy it a lot more than COD, so now I really want some Halo in my veins oh yeah baby ughhhhhh
loaf of bread
Member
If Halo 5 is bad then it'll be the nail in the coffin. They'll still make them and future ones might be good but if Halo 5 is bad the series will probably drop down to just normal game levels as opposed to system selling blockbusters.
I never stated that Halo was always behind Call of Duty. Furthermore, I showed four consecutive months of data where Call of Duty was ahead of Halo. You have shown four weeks, spread out over a year, where Halo was ahead of Call of Duty.
The first is before Christmas, which is when the tables turned quite heavily in favour of Call of Duty, as I said, because of word of mouth, and also coincided with DLC.The last is after World at War released, which split the Call of Duty audience. You're left with the middle two weeks where Halo, for whatever reason, was ahead of Call of Duty. Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are others, but I never said there weren't.
Call of Duty 4 was, far more often than not, ahead throughout 2007 up to the release of World at War. I think that goes easily far enough to defend my original statement (that Call of Duty beat Halo quite comfortably), and certainly it shows your initial, disdainful response, was out of line.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
What argument are you trying to make about Halo 3 anyway?* Halo 3 was the worst Halo game, competitively, and that's all thanks to Bungie after years of thousands of their most hardcore fans explaining to them what they would like to see in Halo 3. Reach just took that shovel, knocked Halo 3 over the head and dug both themselves in that hole. Halo 4 took a piss on the grave.
TMCC is The Walking Dead and Halo 5 is that new show coming out that takes place in the same universe.
*Rhetorical question
TMCC is The Walking Dead and Halo 5 is that new show coming out that takes place in the same universe.
*Rhetorical question
AaronWatermelon
Member
I don't think it'll ever generate a perfect storm like it did in the day, but relevant? Of course. I'd wager that a lot of people picture Master Chief when the phrase "Xbox" is spoken.
No it wasn't, it was right on the money claiming your assumption as fact. I didn't cherry pick anything. I can show you week after week of when Halo 3 was in the lead. Like I said, they were so close that they were interchangeable. What does splitting up the player base have to do with anything? You said Halo was soundly beaten in its prime by Call of Duty, when I said not really. Alternating every few weeks or months doesn't mean soundly beaten. Also, you're comparing a multiplatform shooter to a first party, not only that, ignoring all the times said first party was ahead of the multiplatform shooter. My point with showing December was that Halo 3 was played so much that it was ahead of both call of Duty games.
I never intended to put forth or posit any "argument". I don't recall doing so. It's not a coherent argument nor intended to be. It's just my viewpoint and perspective. It's all just my opinion, I stated that numerous times.
I like Reach. I would hate for ADS to be taken out at this point. I don't get into MLG or pro gaming. I like the evolution of Halo into Reach into Destiny. I like examining Marathon and comparing it to Halo. I think Destiny is great and that Bungie is doing a wonderful job of addressing concerns quickly and making it better. I'm a fan of Bungie's catalog and development, Halo is just a part of it. I'm not a "typical", if there is such a thing, Halo fan.
I felt Halo 4 was lifeless, derivative, pedestrian, by the numbers and banal. It was so, i don't even know, corporate? A list of boxes to check and turn in, no spirit or soul, no originality. Plus of course, the more well documented problems. I fucking hated it. Coming from my perspective of course I'm not a 343 fan after that nor do I see myself becoming one. My opinions are obviously going to be vastly different than many here. I see the topic from a totally different perspective than many of you.
Prinz Eugn
Member
Halo 4 an unoriginal anthology of corporate check boxes... uh-huh, definitely not like Destiny at all. Nope. Totally different.
intheinbetween
Member
as relevant as: Gran Turismo, GTA, Mario, God of War, Resident Evil... Asassins's Creed, Battlefield, Call of Duty, and so on
Where do I even start?!
Of the data available on MajorNelson.com, from January 1st 2007 'til World At War's release in November, Halo 3 was ahead for seven weeks to Call of Duty 4's thirty-two.
There was a single period during these months where Halo was ahead for more than a single week, where it was ahead for four weeks between July and August.
You argue that Call of Duty is multiplatform. How in the World does this benefit your side of the argument? The fact Halo is exclusively on the Xbox 360 gives it an enormous advantage on that platform. The fact Call of Duty handily overtook it, as I have shown, is extraordinary given that the 360 was the Halo box!
You have further argued that Halo 3 beating CoD4 after CoD:WaW came out is somehow impressive? Of course it did. CoD's fanbase was split in two.
There are a few missing weeks, I don't know why, and I wasn't being super thorough, so I may have made small errors unintentionally, all the same, the trends are so blatantly clear.
I don't know why you're dragging this out to be honest. The statement I made initially was quite clearly justified by the data. It's really not adding much to this thread, is it?
TheUnsunghero26
Member
I'm trying to find the link, but I'm pretty sure Major Nelson's blog has the the top 10 live games overall for each year and Halo 3 was on top in 2007, 2008, and 2009.
Edit:
Yup, here they are:2007, 2008, and 2009.
They changed the metrics in 2010 to only include games released that year, and to only include the first week.
Edit:
Yup, here they are:2007, 2008, and 2009.
They changed the metrics in 2010 to only include games released that year, and to only include the first week.
RSB
Banned
Of course it is still relevant, in fact, I'd say it's even more relevant now.
In a world where basically everyone (even Bungie, unfortunately) is copying the COD formula, Halo remains one of the few games (possibly the only one on consoles) that still uses the "run and gun" approach, instead of the shitty "run or gun" which has infected the genre since COD4.
Seriously, every time I try to shoot while in mid-air in Destiny, or do a no-scope, or hit anything without using ADS, I always think "WTF Bungie, why would you sabotage your own game with this shit? The MCC can't come soon enough." Heh, funny to think playing Destiny on the PS4 is what finally convinced me to get an Xbox One...
In a world where basically everyone (even Bungie, unfortunately) is copying the COD formula, Halo remains one of the few games (possibly the only one on consoles) that still uses the "run and gun" approach, instead of the shitty "run or gun" which has infected the genre since COD4.
Seriously, every time I try to shoot while in mid-air in Destiny, or do a no-scope, or hit anything without using ADS, I always think "WTF Bungie, why would you sabotage your own game with this shit? The MCC can't come soon enough." Heh, funny to think playing Destiny on the PS4 is what finally convinced me to get an Xbox One...
For me, pretty much insert Destiny in those brackets. Game could (and SHOULD) have been so much more. It's pretty bad when a free-to-play game like Planetside 2 has apparently more content when Destiny is a full $60 retail. Destiny then on top of that having then two major DLC's at $20 retail EACH that pretty add content that appears to be MOSTLY in the game already, is pretty egregiously bad.
I'll be happy with my 100+ multiplayer maps in Halo: MCC come November thank you very much.
Halo was so relevant before because of its multiplayer without dumb abilities that was accessible to all. Want team slayer? Cool. Want MLG settings? Cool. Want Griffball? Cool. Halo was the one game where everyone LANed up for. I remember in college, non gamers were lanning up and we had Halo going for 24 hours pretty much, whoever was on. Everyday people wanted to play it. Halo 4 is nowhere close to this. It's online is trash and 343 changed the Halo formula to try to add its own stamp to it by adding all these nonsensical things changing its identity. If the Halo formula is a success, build on it but don't change it. 343 changed way too many elements of Halo 1-3.
Navidson REC
Member
And if the MCC plus the way they present Halo 5 is anything to go by, they will do just that. I'm super confident in them at the moment. I liked Halo 4, but agree that some of the additions to the multiplayer were misguided. The base gameplay was very good though.
At any rate, I cannot wait for November.
iJudged
Banned
I am doubtful of Halo 5. They already hinted at "new abilities" for it, which is just not Halo and takes away from it. Even the pod drops in Halo 4 was ridiculously terrible. I remember reading an interview I forgot who used to work for 343 was a head guy for Halo 4 I think he worked on Halo 3, and the direction he wanted for the game, they didn't agree with, and he parted ways.
I think 343 has been too obsessive over adding to Halo online since there a new company rather than just keeping it the way it is so loved.
Rising_Hei
Member
It stopped being relevant after Halo 3, imo.
I feel that 343 is going to nail the multiplayer for Halo 5. Having a public beta 9-11 months before release will surely make the launch itself smooth. MCC is going to be one of the best selling games on the Xbox One without a doubt, probably with a player base only surpassed by CoD. MS and 343 will surely take note of this. If you give the fans what they want, everyone else will follow, that's how it has always been.
The removal of armor abilities is a great start and given the announced playlists for MCC, I'd assume 343 will always make sure the ability to play Big Team Objective is there from Day 1. Remove Perks, remove the Boltshot, PP, and Stickies from classes, fix CTF, and get rid of Ordinance and the core multiplayer will be where it should be. Invasion was awesome in Reach and hopefully it'll be back and expanded upon, giving fans of loadouts something for them. Elites should have never been removed and given the return of the Arbiter, I think it's likely that they'll be back. There also should be an option to turn Flood Mode off in order for unique custom game types to exist.
The campaign is another story but 343 just needs to remember that the big open levels have always been the best in the series. I feel that Halo 4's linearity mainly has to do with the technical limitations of development on the 360. Hopefully with the Xbox One, 343 will be able to create these open levels reminiscent of the ones that defined the series in the past.
My interest in Halo lowered a lot after Halo 3. I got into Halo back when it came out and while I liked it a lot, I only REALLY started obsessing over it when I discovered XBConnect about 6 months before Halo 2 came out. At that point, I became a huge fan and became really hyped for Halo 2, following the ilovebees campaign and all. I counted down the days to its release and was not disappointed when it finally came out. I played that game for YEARS. I got a 360 at launch mainly because of Halo making me love the Xbox brand and many things surrounding it. I was unbelievably hyped for Halo 3's beta and the full game, that was probably my most anticipated game ever.
Halo 3 ODST had amazing music, but felt too expensive for what it was, it wasn't as much of an event, it tarnished the series a bit for me. Halo Reach was even worse, I thought that was going to be Bungie's swan song and potentially the best Halo game, but I still didn't feel the magic pre-release and was disappointed with the full release. I got hyped for Halo 4 a few weeks before it came out, but while I liked the game, more than Reach or ODST even, the lack of Marty's music, the change in tone and the disappointing multiplayer made it a disappointment for me.
MCC is, however, REALLY making me care about the franchise again. I can't freaking WAIT to replay all of those games. I also think 343 is saying all the right things about Halo 5. I can feel the excitement come back and that makes me really happy. I really want 5 to be great and to rekindle my love for the series. 343i clearly has a very talented group of people and I do feel trust that they can make Halo 5 something special.
Halo 3 ODST had amazing music, but felt too expensive for what it was, it wasn't as much of an event, it tarnished the series a bit for me. Halo Reach was even worse, I thought that was going to be Bungie's swan song and potentially the best Halo game, but I still didn't feel the magic pre-release and was disappointed with the full release. I got hyped for Halo 4 a few weeks before it came out, but while I liked the game, more than Reach or ODST even, the lack of Marty's music, the change in tone and the disappointing multiplayer made it a disappointment for me.
MCC is, however, REALLY making me care about the franchise again. I can't freaking WAIT to replay all of those games. I also think 343 is saying all the right things about Halo 5. I can feel the excitement come back and that makes me really happy. I really want 5 to be great and to rekindle my love for the series. 343i clearly has a very talented group of people and I do feel trust that they can make Halo 5 something special.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
All you need to do is look at the hype for MCC to know if it is still relevant. People are going nuts for 6 remastered maps from a 10 year old game. The thirst for real Halo is real.
That said, if they shit up Halo 5 with super powers, one hit kills and all that nonsense, it's over.
That said, if they shit up Halo 5 with super powers, one hit kills and all that nonsense, it's over.
gollumsluvslave
Member
Jesus,some of the comments directed at 343 are crazy. Of course at this point it's Bungie > 343, 343 only released one Halo game!! It would have had to have been like the Jism of Jesus to have surpassed what Bungie acheived with the series!
Did 343 make some mistakes with Halo 4? Yes they did, sure (QTEs, disappearing weapons), but IMO it wasn't the worst Halo campaign, which IMO is Halo 2 by a long chalk, I even prefer the Halo 4 campaign to Reach.
Multiplayer by all accounts they dropped the ball on chasing the COD crowd, but seeing as it was 343's first proper Halo game, and a pretty serious transition in taking over from Bungie and I never expected them to knock it out the park on first attempt, there was always going to be a ton of teething problems, and the whole COD chase had already been initiated by Bungie in Reach.
Of course Halo is still relevant, and I really hope that 343 can deliver with Guardians, primarily from a Campaign perspective, but I hope they nail the multi and rediscover what made Halo multi such a draw in the first place. If only to silence the doubters.
Did 343 make some mistakes with Halo 4? Yes they did, sure (QTEs, disappearing weapons), but IMO it wasn't the worst Halo campaign, which IMO is Halo 2 by a long chalk, I even prefer the Halo 4 campaign to Reach.
Multiplayer by all accounts they dropped the ball on chasing the COD crowd, but seeing as it was 343's first proper Halo game, and a pretty serious transition in taking over from Bungie and I never expected them to knock it out the park on first attempt, there was always going to be a ton of teething problems, and the whole COD chase had already been initiated by Bungie in Reach.
Of course Halo is still relevant, and I really hope that 343 can deliver with Guardians, primarily from a Campaign perspective, but I hope they nail the multi and rediscover what made Halo multi such a draw in the first place. If only to silence the doubters.
While I'm on the roll, I really hope Halo 5 removes not just armor abilities but fixes/removes all the extra stuff in Halo 4. Literally everything from the armor, sprinting ability, jet packs, ordinances, decoys, and even the sniper rifle and how it reloaded and just the damn sound of it is trash compared to Halo 3 and same goes for the DMR, which should just be removed and keeping the BR. The DMR sounded like trash too.
ProvenDeadly
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As a long time Halo fan, it being my favorite series and all, I put much more faith in 343 than I would if Bungie was still running the ship. 343 ACTUALLY LISTENS to the community. Halo MCC is everything a halo fan can want, and in Halo 5 they are focusing on "even playing field, 4v4 arena". Bungie has continuously made worse games with each iteration. Halo 2 was worse than CE, 3 worse than 2, and so on. Destiny was just then plummeting off of a cliff. And this is after 343 lied to the Halo community before Halo 4 was announced on several different occasions.
Sorta Maximus
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Just pre-ordered an Xbox One for Halo: MCC. I got the Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare LE Bundle. I always liked the themed consoles from MS with fancy sounds and art. I don't know if Advanced Warfare will be any good, but I can always pretend it's Black Ops 3 themed later. Just going to trade it in for the Halo 5 LE later anyway lol. The cool thing about this Halo collection is I only played like a third of these games. Sad I don't get Reach in there. Oh and the 1TB hard drive is so worth it.
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