Doctor_Thomas
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Then why exclude inFamous and The Last of Us?
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Who needs games: PlayStation 4's first year [EUROGAMER]
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Then why exclude inFamous and The Last of Us?
You've been called out enough, no need to continue that stuff.
ninjablade
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Did you read the article? He talks about why is the ps4 selling, and why are we buying theses consoles, it's pretty obvious people want the best console upgrade available, I'm sure if you bought a phone, laptop or TV 7 years ago you would want to upgrade. You can look at wiiu or xbox 1 exclusives and people are not buying them, unless halo or Mario is in them.
XxRampage07xX
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They have Digital Foundry though
Triggerhappytel
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This article has been written from a very specific angle to demonstrate that the PS4 has no pre-Christmas Triple-A releases. It's clickbait bullshit with no grounding in reality.
PeregrinSe7en
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They has Digital Foundry though
oh i didnt know that.
all i can say as a ps4 owner is that i've gotten my monies worth and then some this year
eurogamer, go home, your drunk
I think some of yall are really under estimating the amount of people that buy consoles just to play cod or madden.
orthodoxy1095
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And FIFA. Don't forget FIFA. If you don't have FIFA on your platform, you're doomed
lol Wii U
gundamkyoukai
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The problem with this line of thinking is when AAA games come out and sell bad and we have indies selling more who is to say that some AAA games matter more.
soul creator
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Some of this reminds me of a lot of the complaints about the Xbox 360 post 2011. Even though there were a ton of games released on the system, and 3rd party games were largely considered better on it, and even though it still sold the most (well, in the US at least), the impression of "no games" always came from the fact that it didn't have enough "brand new first-party AAA, exclusive, non-PC, non-Kinect IP". So the hundreds of games released for the system and the giant, varied library that the mass market enjoyed didn't count.
I suppose it would be a tad hypocrticial if the same person who was super strict about counting exclusives on the 360 suddenly has no issue with indie games and 3rd party games on the PS4, so maybe that's where this article is coming from. "Sony has better AAA exclusives, look at stuff like The Last of Us! They're all about the games!" was kind of considered common knowledge for a while, so I guess articles like this are set against those expectations, even though there's nothing inherently "wrong" with the PS4's current library (and, as numerous people have pointed out, seems to have the most variety in their lineup simply due to having so many more developers, indie and otherwise, releasing games for it, and enjoys the power advantage in most 3rd party games).
So set against those types of expectations, the PS4 has had a "weak" year. But if you just want a console with a shit load of stuff to play, it'll serve you just fine (I tend to think pretty much any console out now has a shit load of worthwhile stuff to play, it just depends on your personal tastes, but I digress)
I suppose it would be a tad hypocrticial if the same person who was super strict about counting exclusives on the 360 suddenly has no issue with indie games and 3rd party games on the PS4, so maybe that's where this article is coming from. "Sony has better AAA exclusives, look at stuff like The Last of Us! They're all about the games!" was kind of considered common knowledge for a while, so I guess articles like this are set against those expectations, even though there's nothing inherently "wrong" with the PS4's current library (and, as numerous people have pointed out, seems to have the most variety in their lineup simply due to having so many more developers, indie and otherwise, releasing games for it, and enjoys the power advantage in most 3rd party games).
So set against those types of expectations, the PS4 has had a "weak" year. But if you just want a console with a shit load of stuff to play, it'll serve you just fine (I tend to think pretty much any console out now has a shit load of worthwhile stuff to play, it just depends on your personal tastes, but I digress)
CaptainGyro
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because the article already pointed out that some of the best games can be played on ps3 (tlou) and they don't consider infamous to be a killer app( eurogamer gave it a 7)
IcyRhythms
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lol
The media has been Sony's best friend since MS announced those horrible DRM policies. They were too nice in this article.
DirgeExtinction
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So uh, what's so great about the gameplay from the XB1's exclusives? Like actual only-on-Xbox One exclusives.
slavesnyder
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if there are no games you like - don't buy the system, buy a different system or just wait and miss nothing.
but you should tolerate that there are people out there who disagree and have fun with the toy you do not like.
but you should tolerate that there are people out there who disagree and have fun with the toy you do not like.
Gamespot put up their review:
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-the-year-one-review/1100-6422875/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-the-year-one-review/1100-6422875/
Kagoshima_Luke
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Poorly thought out article. PS4 certainly can do better with exclusives, but the picture isn't as dire as they are painting and there are numerous fantastic reasons to own a PS4 right now.
CaptainGyro
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they haven't even written the article about the xbox one, how are they being hypocritical?
ReBurn
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Is there someplace that tracks indie sales? I always figured that since they were digital it would be tough to know for sure how much they are selling.
But anyway, the line of thinking you replied to seems like a valid thought process to me. I have a hard time believing that the decline of AAA games has been because people like indies better. I think that people are buying indies because that's pretty much all that's been offered this year.
In my opinion AAA seems to have fallen off the sales cliff because these AAA developers have turned into factories that are just iterating on past successes instead of pushing new ideas. A lot of people aren't willing to shell out $60 for the same game they played a year ago. The sequel bubble needs to burst. AAA titles must be worthy of their price tag, and they haven't really been worthy of it for several years.
Melchiah
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If TLOU:R isn't considered an exclusive then MCC (EDIT: and FH2) can't be considered one either. If you're going to exclude something from the other side by an arbitrary rule, the same have to apply to both.
Not enough ad revenue in being reasonable like that. You would think there is some parallel universe where Microsoft was not relying on super aggressive price cutting and bundling to maybe take two months out of the whole year. If Titanfall, Forza, and SO were what people make them out to be, you would not be able to get the system, four Halo games (or two AC games) and a gift card for $330 on Black Friday. People want to exist in some twilight zone where their own (dreadful) opinion counts for more than what is actually happening in the market.
You do not see such aggressive price slashing or bundling in less than 365 days if things are going to plan, or if the existing exclusives are moving the needle at retail.
MrNyarlathotep
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You say that like it isn't on every objective measurement available
User 479360
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I'm surprised by the popularity of the PS4 versus its lack of games, to be honest. Xbox One has notably better games.
gundamkyoukai
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I am not talking big AAA games like AC , COD etc i am talking about stuff like SSO , DC , etc .
AAA games that came out and do nothing sales wise , who is to say they more important than some indie games just because they AAA.
People still looking down on indies but they also replacing the mid tier so much people used to love.
DirgeExtinction
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Most of the ones that can be considered better are available on last gen or on PC.
This really is an odd point of view from the author of that article... The #PS4NoGames theory really has no foundation, it should be clear to everyone right now. The PS4 happens to have loads of critically acclaimed games available (just look at the metacritic page, it is impressive how many high scores titles are available, in fact significantly more than the Xbox One or the much older Wii U).
People than only look for AAA exclusives may find the line up lacking, but then again, which first year line-up of a new console isn't in that aspect ? Also, disregarding remasters or quality PSN is incredibly shortsighted - especially when you considers newcomers to the Playstation brand.
Last but not least, a new console is never about first year line-up. A new console is a promise, and Sony still has my entire trust regarding long term support of quality original titles - and I believe many will agree with me on that aspect. Next year planning is simply baffling, and we know so many great studios that are working behind the scenes on unannounced projects...
The only point with which I agree to some extent with the author is the disappointing output of SCE in that first year. Whether it's bad luck or bad management, Killzone: Shadow Fall wasn't as good as it looked, DriveClub's launch was a true disaster, their big AAA exclusive for the holiday season got delayed, Knack turned into a joke to many eyes, ... Not really surprising considering a) SCE has been on a cycle of "one year on - one year off" for a while now, b) launch titles on new consoles are often underwhelming due to the strong time constraints and c) their output on PS3 last year was simply god-like. I believe that last point may be the biggest reason why they dropped the ball somehow this year, but it's also imho one of the biggest reason why the PS4 has had so much success so far. Ironically...
People than only look for AAA exclusives may find the line up lacking, but then again, which first year line-up of a new console isn't in that aspect ? Also, disregarding remasters or quality PSN is incredibly shortsighted - especially when you considers newcomers to the Playstation brand.
Last but not least, a new console is never about first year line-up. A new console is a promise, and Sony still has my entire trust regarding long term support of quality original titles - and I believe many will agree with me on that aspect. Next year planning is simply baffling, and we know so many great studios that are working behind the scenes on unannounced projects...
The only point with which I agree to some extent with the author is the disappointing output of SCE in that first year. Whether it's bad luck or bad management, Killzone: Shadow Fall wasn't as good as it looked, DriveClub's launch was a true disaster, their big AAA exclusive for the holiday season got delayed, Knack turned into a joke to many eyes, ... Not really surprising considering a) SCE has been on a cycle of "one year on - one year off" for a while now, b) launch titles on new consoles are often underwhelming due to the strong time constraints and c) their output on PS3 last year was simply god-like. I believe that last point may be the biggest reason why they dropped the ball somehow this year, but it's also imho one of the biggest reason why the PS4 has had so much success so far. Ironically...
DangerMouse
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You mean the same media that lead the "SonyToo" charge? And tried to downplay the DRM policies effects on consumers at every chance they got? And tried to call gamers entitled for complaining about them? And claimed that the "#NoDRM" campaign thing was stupid and that it would accomplish nothing?
Hmm....
XxRampage07xX
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But The Last of Us on PS4 is not the same as on PS3. It offers the whole new experience that is nowhere to be found on the PS3 version ( 1080p, 60fps, photo mode...) So you can't remove it from the list.
Infamous Second Son's Metascore is 80, which I think is not bad at all
So yeah, although that game is not perfect, it is still pretty good.User 479360
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Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizon 2 (next-gen version is the real one), Halo: MCC
Ryse and DR3 were superior exclusives, too, at the time of launch.
boredandlazy
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Punished_Snake
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PS4 exclusive games this year are not good and this article is 100% correct. Wii U and Xbox one owners got better exclusives.
test_account
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Then why is it a problem if the consumer dont care?
CaptainGyro
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uh yes you can. the author also talks about how increased frame rate and resolution of the ps4 versions aren't enough to keep his enthusiasm up about spending money on a new console
ReBurn
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I agree with you on the first part. I bought a PS4 back on February and I honestly can't put my finger on exactly why. I like it a lot, but I wish it had more games that I like. I know that they will come. But I could have waited.
I think the second part is subjective. Until Sunset Overdrive dropped there was nothing that interested me on Xbox One. Now I want one.
I still can't put together exactly how I justified my PS4 purchase, though. Because there's only been one big name title exclusive this year that I like and I've found most of the indies to be better suited for my Vita. I suppose that being a big Infamous fan and knowing I could play multiplats was enough to tip me in the PS4's direction early on.
And Ryse, originally a 360 Kinect game, and DR3, originally a 360 game, were moved to XBO to beef up the system's exclusive library, resulting in fewer exclusives towards the end of the 360's life.
So the real question is, which is better? Heavy exclusive support during the launch/cross-gen transition, or heavy exclusive support towards end-of-life?
Polyphony could have moved GT6 to PS4 sometime in its development cycle to try to compete with Forza, but they (Sony) decided to support PS3 with the game.
bigbaldwolf86
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You can't be serious with this post. Firstly, the Xbox has notably better games in your opinion. Don't state that as fact. Secondly, it's already been shown time and time again in this thread that the PS4 has considerably more games than the Xbox.
Jess Mcdonell. Marry me.
Wut? I guess you missed the articles about "not reading too much into the ps4 sales" or how complaining about the DRM is like "a fart in the wind." When editors triump a console over the other, then there is something wrong with the media.
Just finished infamous second son and as a guy who couldn't stand the first two, I adored this. Shame the gamespot first year review didn't even mention it at all when referring to ps4 exclusives. It's a must have imo.
Edit - so did Eurogamer. What's going on with infamous, one of the best looking current gen games, being ignored?
Edit - so did Eurogamer. What's going on with infamous, one of the best looking current gen games, being ignored?
Yeah i find it weird that the media basically ignores it. My favourite game in the series.
SyenceLabb
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I think the point is he/she couldn't play all but one of these games on the PS4.
ALLseeingEYE
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Good article.
I disagree with one thing in particular though. While the PS4 doesn't technically have a "Killer App", it has a Killer feature called, "the best $400 3rd party port console on the market". These 3rd party games will be lifelong Killer apps for PS4, so I think consumers buying the system now, do so knowing this is the best console for COD, Batman, AC, GTA to buy.
Sony's gained a ton of consumer goodwill with their 1st party support too, so I think most consumers know the games will come.
Either way, the article was fair criticism, and it was overdue to be spoken from a journalist.
I disagree with one thing in particular though. While the PS4 doesn't technically have a "Killer App", it has a Killer feature called, "the best $400 3rd party port console on the market". These 3rd party games will be lifelong Killer apps for PS4, so I think consumers buying the system now, do so knowing this is the best console for COD, Batman, AC, GTA to buy.
Sony's gained a ton of consumer goodwill with their 1st party support too, so I think most consumers know the games will come.
Either way, the article was fair criticism, and it was overdue to be spoken from a journalist.
DirgeExtinction
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Yeah, I just finished it last night. Great game. I enjoyed the story as well. First Light was also great.
Speaking of which, is First Light considered DLC?
KOMANI
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All Nintendo has are exclusives. There's no 3rd parties willing to develop for it. And the ps4 exclusives are good this year. I'll debate junior opinions with junior opinions, any day.
I hated the first two and enjoyed Second Son a lot. Definitely in for a sequel.
DirgeExtinction
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They both had the same amount of games you couldn't play on the other system.
Sunset will be forgotten , calling Forza Horizon 2 on Xbox One the real one & including Halo:MCC , Ryse & DR3 in your argument about the Xbox One having better games is just admitting to the fact that it don't matter if the game is on other platforms.
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