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shinobi602

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"Video game journalism"

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(Adam is the reviewer from Digital Trends)
 
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hydruxo

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shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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I feel the exact same way. Every game does something different, and there's as much room in the industry for shorter cinematic games as there is for any other genre. I've known for months and months what I was getting with this game and I'm cool with it.
 
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ArkkAngel007

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shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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Man, I hope one day we can co-op a game or something one day. Never understood the lack of games arguments I hear at times. I say get a broader palette, relax, and have some fun : )

We all knew what we are getting into here, so may as well as get the most enjoyment from it.

NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I haven't played it yet, but it's kinda sucky that they're using this game's story as a set-up for a sequel if a sequel is not yet guaranteed.

They should fully resolve the storyline while leaving story threads open for the future and give a satisfying character arc and resolution.
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Nah, that's crazy talk. Where's the vision, NotTheGuyYouKill?
:p
 
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Dazzyman

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Just started playing this, graphics wow has next gen arrived. Enjoying the interactive custscenes, so far reallyenjoyingthe game :)
 
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Vyrance

Member
shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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This exactly. I don't have a PS4 yet, but I'll be getting it soon for this game and for Until Dawn later on.
 
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mackmoney

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Reviews confirmed suspicions. This is a game worth owning but not a Day One, meaning it's not a full price purchase. $30 zone is still a purchase but one that can wait.

Only one Day One so far this year in Monster Hunter 4 though I am optimistic Bloodbourne will be the second.
 
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Vincent4756

Member
shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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This post. Right here. Totally agree and a mindset I wished more people took. Games need to be held to what they are and the goals they try to accomplish. They don't need to be talked down because they aren't a certain style or whatnot.
I understand criticisms and such, what I don't understand anymore is games getting 3 or 5 out of 10s when they are perfectly competent out of the box but because someone doesn't like the style or particular elements of a game it gets labeled as shit.
Its why I can't take any reviews serious anymore. The whole system has shown so much hypocrisy since the before this gen started I don't know why people still give them the time of day.
Sorry for the little rant. Really excited to play the game on Monday.
 
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ArkkAngel007

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shinobi602 said:
"Video game journalism"

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(Adam is the reviewer from Digital Trends)
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So nice to see the media being professional. What a life it must be, getting paid to make forum-grade commentary. But of course, I'm sure a good number of people will find this acceptable while lambasting Sessler and Gies.
 
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Deleted member 80556

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Rapier said:
Fair enough.

I thought the story lacked substantial lycan genre mythos exposition, they go too caught up with historic accuracy which resulted in very skimpy gameplay sections featuring creatures.

The result of a poor game screenplay is pedestrian gameplay scenarios (too many one note human baddies), which is the main gripes critics are citing.

Uncharted and the last of us have succeeded because Naughty Dog knows how crucial it is to have a story that presents interesting gameplay opportunities which feed back into the story. It's the cinematic gameplay formula.

That's what eluded RAD.

I can't wait for more people to experience what they conjured up so we can have a proper discussion as to what this game could have been, and given what it is, what does that leave for a sequel that atones for 1886.
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Indeed. Great post. Completely agree. I hope that they have learned a lot with the game. If they make the same mistakes for the next game, I'll be very disappointed.

NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I haven't played it yet, but it's kinda sucky that they're using this game's story as a set-up for a sequel if a sequel is not yet guaranteed.

They should fully resolve the storyline while leaving story threads open for the future and give a satisfying character arc and resolution.
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You're right. There isn't really a resolution in the game.

SPOILERS:
The game feels more like an origin story for a hero, as Dawg has mentioned with the Dark Knight comments.
 
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evolution

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I'm glad RAD was able to make the type of game they wanted to, but it is strange to me that that they would take the cinematic aspect so. Daxter is like the complete opposite of this game in terms of design.
 
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BadWolf

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The negative reviews are alarming but I do wonder... what if the game still sells well?

Do arguments like slightly shorter length and maybe lack of replayability incentives really matter to the mainstream at a time when most don't seem to finish games often in general?

Here's a game that many are saying is the best looking console game of all time with solid, but not revolutionary, TPS gameplay. Wonder if that's enough.
 
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Appollowexx

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Kind of wish I hadn't ordered this at full price now. I'll play it tomorrow and find out. It seems like another Knack situation (I enjoyed that game though) where it'll hit the bargain bins in a few weeks.

That said, of the reviews I've read, despite low scores it seems the reviewers enjoyed the game while playing it. I really love cinematic, linear, story driven experiences so I think I'll probably feel the same way. It seems The Order is a thrilling ride while it lasts, but is over way too soon and offers very little replay value. Presentation over substance.

I'm very much looking forward to it for the story (which seems decent although apparently anti-climatic) and the characters and writing (apparently both excellent) and of course the amazing visuals and setting. So i'm confident i'll have a good time with the game, but probably would feel better about purchasing at a lower cost. At the very least i'll finally get to play what seems to be one of the most divisive and controversial releases in recent memory.
 
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Always-honest

Banned
Appollowexx said:
Kind of wish I hadn't ordered this at full price now. I'll play it tomorrow and find out. It seems like another Knack situation (I enjoyed that game though) where it'll hit the bargain bins in a few weeks.

That said, of the reviews I've read, despite low scores it seems the reviewers enjoyed the game while playing it. I really love cinematic, linear, story driven experiences so I think I'll probably feel the same way. It seems The Order is a thrilling ride while it lasts, but is over way too soon and offers very little replay value. Presentation over substance.

I'm very much looking forward to it for the story (which seems decent although apparently anti-climatic) and the characters and writing (apparently both excellent) and of course the amazing visuals and setting. So i'm confident i'll have a good time with the game, but probably would feel better about purchasing at a lower cost. At the very least i'll finally get to play what seems to be one of the most divisive and controversial releases in recent memory.
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Just play fast and sell fast. That way the game might only cost you 10$. I think i will just buy it tomorrow and do that.
 
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jmood88

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Darknessbear said:
Crazy how pissed a lot of the reviewers are. They seem so upset it's something it isnt and continue to say it's not worth $60. I thought price wasnt supposed to dictate review score.

Also 1's should be used for broken horrible games. Not games that you arent a fan of shooting and cinematics. It's so weird.

At least it's great how the industry supports new ip's and developers....
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The only people who are pissed are those who were going to buy the game regardless and are upset that reviewers didn't back up their decision.
 
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MiamiWesker

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shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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Good stuff but I kind of want to give a counter argument. I play everything too, I love variety in my games. I go into every game with an open mind. I am still excited to play this but I am pretty sure I won't like it much.

I don't know if it is gamers holding up games to arbirtrary standards, I know for me it has nothing to do with expectations, it simply has to do with what I like in games, my personal taste.

I am a gameplay first kind of person but I have enjoyed plenty of cinematic linear games. I expect the gameplay to be interesting, engaging and fulfilling. I don't want shallow, repetitive and a game with wasted potential. It seems to me that order is the latter but I will find out when I play it for myself.

If I don't like it it won't be because I expect every game to be 15 hours or have exploration, it's cause the game was not fun or interesting to play.
 
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Trace

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Well as I predicted, this game got shit on in reviews. I'm still hype to play it tomorrow, its been awhile since I played a game like it. I still don't understand why reviewers wanted to shit on this one, I guess I just don't get reviews anymore.

Then again my favorite last three games are Drive club, Destiny, and Dying Light. It seems destined for games I like to get shit on in reviews.
 
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evolution

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MiamiWesker said:
Good stuff but I kind of want to give a counter argument. I play everything too, I love variety in my games. I go into every game with an open mind. I am still excited to play this but I am pretty sure I won't like it much.

I don't know if it is gamers holding up games to arbirtrary standards, I know for me it has nothing to do with expectations, it simply has to do with what I like in games, my personal taste.

I am a gameplay first kind of person but I have enjoyed plenty of cinematic linear games. But I expect the gameplay to be interesting, engaging and fulfilling. I don't want shallow, repetitive and a game with wasted potential. It seems to me that order is the latter but I will find out when I play it for myself.

If I don't like it it won't be because I expect every game to be 15 hours or have exploration, it's cause the game was not fun or interesting to play.
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Wasted Potential is exactly how I feel about it.
 
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Gen X

Trust no one. Eat steaks.
NotTheGuyYouKill said:
I haven't played it yet, but it's kinda sucky that they're using this game's story as a set-up for a sequel if a sequel is not yet guaranteed.

They should fully resolve the storyline while leaving story threads open for the future and give a satisfying character arc and resolution.
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Or be like Gears of War and don't worry about a story unless it sells well, then shoehorn something in. ;-)
 
semiconscious

semiconscious

Member
shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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sorry, man - waaay too fucking rational :) ...
 
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Crimson_Gold

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jmood88 said:
You need to work on your anger. It's not that serious.
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People gloating over potentially costing people their jobs is pretty disgusting. You don't have to be so smug about disliking something. It is OK to not like the game, but it is another to celebrate your hatred of it so openly. You'd think this game kicked people's dogs or something.
 
Karak

Karak

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jmood88 said:
You need to work on your anger. It's not that serious.
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Lol. No. I love my anger always have. Sometimes punching someone is just brutally awesome and actually very fun. Doesn't need to be serious for a good throwdown even though this kind of gloating is something that a bit of physical repercussion is just the right fit for.
 
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bigdaddygamebot

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So...theories on the shortcomings of the game so far?

Rush job?

First crack at a new IP for Ready at Dawn?

Rampant speculation?



It seems like it has a good deal of squandered potential which is something I am fine to support. I'm just curious what some of you might think after completing it.
 
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Loudninja

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bigdaddygamebot said:
So...theories on the shortcomings of the game so far?

Rush job?

First crack at a new IP for Ready at Dawn?

Rampant speculation?



It seems like it has a good deal of squandered potential which is something I am fine to support. I'm just curious what some of you might think after completing it.
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The game hasn't eve launch yet let us play it.
 
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Krusenstern

Banned
I won't be surprised if this game is going to be another Lords of Shadow 2 situation for me, where the game got slammed by reviewers with a Metacritic of 58 and I ended up enjoying the hell out of it and even completed it two times.
 
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Appollowexx

Member
bigdaddygamebot said:
So...theories on the shortcomings of the game so far?

Rush job?

First crack at a new IP for Ready at Dawn?

Rampant speculation?



It seems like it has a good deal of squandered potential which is something I am fine to support. I'm just curious what some of you might think after completing it.
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It's pretty obvious from the reviews that the main shortcomings are length, gameplay variety, overuse of QTEs and pacing problems. Also the story apparently lacks a satisfying conclusion.
 
Karak

Karak

Member
nelchaar said:
Wow, this is incredibly disrespectful and highly unprofessional. A lot of people worked hard on this.
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Its also a lot of kneejerk reaction to appear more like their supposed audience. People have been calling it for some time. Its the same kind of pandering that changing away from numerical scores, without any actual plan, follows. Its all pandering to their loudest proponents.
 
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KnockOneOff

Banned
mackmoney said:
Reviews confirmed suspicions. This is a game worth owning but not a Day One, meaning it's not a full price purchase. $30 zone is still a purchase but one that can wait.
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I'm with you on this, I will 100% buy, but I shall be waiting till its below the £30 mark

Really hoping this will be the PS4 experience Ryse gave me on the XB1 :)

not seeing much else I'm waiting for in 2015 which has been given release dates other than batman :(

Hopefully E3 will be some good titles out in the 2nd half of 2015
 
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Vinc

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shinobi602 said:
Can't wait to get my hands on this. First thing tomorrow morning. The reviews have honestly had minimal bearing on my excitement. I know what I'm getting. Hell, I liked Ryse and that got absolutely shitted on. I still replay it from time to time. The impression I get from GAF and a lot of critics is that many seemingly hold every game to certain arbitrary standards across the board. I just don't do that. I don't hold a game like The Wolf Among Us to the same standard as DAI, nor DAI to the same standard as The Order 1886 or Transistor or anything else. I also don't feel like price vs length ratio should be a factor in professional reviews. Yes, a game's length should be mentioned, but the price vs how long a game lasts is something I feel is a decision the consumer should make. At least a game should not be docked for charging $60 at a certain length anyway.

Every individual game I judge it solely based off its merits. I don't factor in "what other games have done" as seems to be much of complaints regarding The Order's design. I don't give a shit about that. It doesn't need "exploration", it doesn't need "new gameplay systems" to set itself apart for me. Ready at Dawn set out with a vision to practically blend film and game, and I think they achieved that here. I'm the kind of person that has immense enjoyment from jumping between a diverse set of games like Transistor and Resogun to GTA, to Elder Scrolls, to The Evil Within, Bayonetta, and to something extremely cinematic and linear like The Order. I'm in love with the variety I have at my leisure, there's more than enough room for The Order in my house. Love it. Bring it on baby.
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That's an eloquent way to put it. That's how I feel, couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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