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Skyrim Workshop Now Supports Paid Mods
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Chezzymann
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The main point I was making is that they should be held responsible if they can't update their product on time. If I purchase a mod, the game is updated so that it doesn't work, and the developer hasn't fixed it for two weeks, I should get a full refund as the product I bought doesn't work.
As of now it seems you can only get a refund after one day.
All this talk about how modders are these passionate people working for the love of the community and now that is being ruined with this vile money reminds me of all the amateurism bullshit the NCAA spreads to prevent college athletes from being compensated.
The way I see it if mod creators want to be paid for their work fine, but don't act like everyone is required to like the idea of paying for something that used to be free.
The way I see it if mod creators want to be paid for their work fine, but don't act like everyone is required to like the idea of paying for something that used to be free.
I for one look forward to trading passion for greed.
crazyrabbits
Banned
That's the thing. I'm not so sure.
If they're profiting directly off modded work involving characters/places/etc. from other fictional universes, who's to say that they wouldn't keep the profits off that? Or their "we look the other way while modders do their thing" policy? This seems to open up a whole bunch of loopholes and problems that I don't think they accounted for.
mods are going to be so much more amazing if there's a possibility to get paid making them
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=346377
fuck Orioto for trying to get money from prints of fanart!
he didnt create those characters!
fuck Orioto for trying to get money from prints of fanart!
he didnt create those characters!
and......?
Obviously it's a concern going forward but it should be dealt on a case-by-case basis. It's nothing that can't be solved. Specific kind of mods could be made to be allowed to access a previous version of the game in the case that a newer version breaks them. In addition I would imagine modders that received money for their work would have an extra incentive to fix those mods. Not to mention that game developers would naturally be more inclined to avoid breaking mods with updates. Perhaps not even allow paid mods before game is done being updated by the dev? Like I said there's several solutions.
It's an old GAF joke that people use exclusively ironically these days.
Imagine how much more impressive and plentiful those artworks would have been if he didn't have his passion & love robbed.
He wasn't serious.
Mavromatis
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I assume there will be lots of people stuck between the modder / game dev/ Valve support when their mod doesn't work because:
it needs SKSE or some other external mod but when they clicked at that link Steam warned them so they didn't install but aren't in the 1 day refund period because they game weekends,
there is a patch that broke the mod and the modder didn't answer to the torrent of comments for an hour,
it was working but now it isn't working, probably because of a conflict or some other error,
it corrupted/deleted the save file and now months of work is lost,
and probably the best reason the mod somehow offended them and now they are selling it.
I sure hope people are encouraged by this change push more mods to workshop, at this time nexus easily overwhelm it but monetization can change this.
it needs SKSE or some other external mod but when they clicked at that link Steam warned them so they didn't install but aren't in the 1 day refund period because they game weekends,
there is a patch that broke the mod and the modder didn't answer to the torrent of comments for an hour,
it was working but now it isn't working, probably because of a conflict or some other error,
it corrupted/deleted the save file and now months of work is lost,
and probably the best reason the mod somehow offended them and now they are selling it.
I sure hope people are encouraged by this change push more mods to workshop, at this time nexus easily overwhelm it but monetization can change this.
ashecitism
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http://amir0x.ytmnd.com/
Yeah, I noticed it afterwards. Some people just linked it elsewhere. Though it was their reaction.
ScepticMatt
Member
I have no problems with payed mods, for me it's the same thing like payed Dota 2/CS:GO/TF2 content.
I feed the split is quite bad, but I think it can works itself out in the long run:
Mod authors will tend to work where they can make more profit.
So I can see niche games offering a better cut to attract mod authors.
(see above)
I feed the split is quite bad, but I think it can works itself out in the long run:
Mod authors will tend to work where they can make more profit.
So I can see niche games offering a better cut to attract mod authors.
I see what you did there
You must be new, huh
(see above)I agree with you in principle. In practice it could encourage a metric shit ton of quick cash grab mods of very low quality. Now I wouldn't buy this but it would quickly become a massive hassle to wade through all this stuff. Steam is already getting flooded with low rent trash games.
On mobile people already know what it is like. Visibility for quality projects is utterly lost in the sea of garbage.
It would be great if online stores could do some pruning and adequate filtering. Or maybe people will just stick to external curation lists and avoid browsing inside steam much like they do now.
Monster Zero
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This generation of gaming has been squeezing us for every penny anyway, why not let modders get in on the fun.
Well, you went on and on about how he doesn't care about Mod creators and only about himself.
He was being brutally sarcastic
Well it's sad when somebody can't tell due to some reactions people are having (not here specifically) but I wouldn't be surprised if he was. Sorry about that.
Well that wasn't all directed toward him at all.
You must be new, huh
Indeed I am lol.
crazyrabbits
Banned
This discussion reminds me of freelance writing. The ongoing dilution of the craft has been a problem for years, and even though it doesn't exactly prescribe to the same ethics or principles, the intent is the same in both cases.
Like I said in the Steam OT, you can be a master at the top of your game and create compelling content, but there's always going to be someone who will do the job better, faster and cheaper (or free) than you will ever want to admit.
Mods being free never had this issue, but now that Valve is seguing into the paid side, I won't be surprised at all if it tanks and everyone on Nexus one-ups paid creators just as a sort of "fuck you" to them. It's already happening in the comments section on the listed paid Workshop mods that had original versions over at Nexus - people are unendorsing them en masse and warning others to look elsewhere for better content.
Paid mods aren't a new thing:
http://www.unitedracingdesign.net/#!shop/c9dh
http://store.steampowered.com/app/4000
We've already seen that it can not only co-exist with free mods, but also bring professional quality content to the scene and support that would be hard to come by without being paid for.
Orochinagis
Member
Nintendo can sue (sadly), lol
Mods are still is free. The creators are the ones that decide if they want it to be paid or not. If a game already had a mod that was free, but then becomes paid - what is your immediate thought? Mine is "not buying that" and I'll grab the free version via nexus. The rest of the market will do this also and eventually force those creators to reconsider, particularly when competing free mods will out do them.
Eventually once the market settles paid mods will have to be priced reasonably or be free. Paid mods with a notable cost that the market get behind are likely going to be the ones which people feel are worthy of payment - regularly updated, with significant meaningful content.
As an open market, I'd imagine this is what happens. When the competition is free mods, the paid stuff has to be something either extremely cheap or something really special
I guess modders will pretty quickly figure out how much money people are willing to spend and that there is a difference between a texture replacement mod and something like Falskaar. If anything I can see the quality of mods improving because they'll have to differentiate themselves from their "competitors".
afternoon delight
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Fuck, of course I don't have Skyrim yet and they start this shit. Guess it's Morrowind for me.
Donations > mandatory untrustworthy charge.
Donations > mandatory untrustworthy charge.
Mavromatis
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Do I read this right?http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/workshoppaymentinfofaq/ said:
zombieshavebrains
I have not used cocaine
I don't understand this thinking that introducing mandatory donations for a mod will make the general concept of "mods" any better. Mods were always really good/decent/really bad. Now you will be paying for them, just like really good/decent/really bad DLC from the developers. The exact same thing will happen.
Modders have always done whatever they are passionate about regardless of monetary incentives and they will continue to do so, monetary incentives or not.
I think the reasoning is that the upper limit on how much time/effort you can devote to a mod will increase if there's a possibility of being compensated for your work.
Can modders for TF2 or DOTA publish mods that can be broken when the parent title is patched or crash the game etc due to conflicts with other user generated content ?
I'd rather have this than overpriced DLC. At least with an open market, you can be sure someone will beat the overpriced stuff with ease or even putting it out there for free to make a name for themselves. I'm more interested in seeing what mods of suitably large scale / size / content could be created at a reasonable price to support the creator.
are you from the future
Unfortunate but should help to prevent people enabling "legal" piracy when it comes to paid mods being made free without the original author's permission.
Netherscourge
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Is "Garry" only making 25% off his mod?
Arguably, allowing paid mods should increase the visibility of quality, no? If a mod is both paid and popular, that should be a great indicator of it being worthwhile.
Anyway, as with the game "curation" debate, I think it's all just a matter of software -- data aggregation and analysis -- and offering the right self-curation tools to the community. Valve are already on a great path for this. As a working example, Amazon doesn't curate books, there are a lot more of those than games, and yet I've never seen any complaints that it's a sea of shit (though objectively and statistically speaking, it is!).
No hard feelings, dragging out the old memes is not half as funny if no one falls for it.
That is interesting. It might be a legal requirement that they need to now do this for everyone
Pancakes
hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
I don't know how to feel about this. On the one hand, modders do deserve compensation for some of the amazing game changing mods they make. But on the other hand, a lot of the mods are buggy and sometimes outright broken. Modders often just outright abandon their mods sometimes, leaving the mod broken as new patches get released for the game.
Then there is the sticky situation of framework mods like SKSE that nearly every (skyrim) mod requires. Who gets paid, and how much of a cut? It's a strange situation but I don't think this is a bad thing at all. A lot of toes are going to be stepped on and people will be pissed.
If this brings about new high quality mods to be created and allows current modders to financially support themselves which should in turn create better mods. I don't have a problem with it at all. It's not like every modder is going to attach a price to their mod after all.
Then there is the sticky situation of framework mods like SKSE that nearly every (skyrim) mod requires. Who gets paid, and how much of a cut? It's a strange situation but I don't think this is a bad thing at all. A lot of toes are going to be stepped on and people will be pissed.
If this brings about new high quality mods to be created and allows current modders to financially support themselves which should in turn create better mods. I don't have a problem with it at all. It's not like every modder is going to attach a price to their mod after all.
Well for one in his case the service owner and the owner of the content he used for his mod were one and the same. In addition Valve has taken a lot more generous approach to games being made with their properties than is to be expected.
Can I have a hug? group hug for the new guy? (me) lol.
crazyrabbits
Banned
There are many differences, though:
1) The games you mentioned (and CS:GO) are competitive, and people will pay for items with rarity/unique contents. Paid mods don't have that - it's the same product for everyone.
2) The content for the games you mentioned are often (but not always) limited to cosmetic items - there is a finite range for what can be produced. Paid mods will run the gamut from bite-sized config file changes to DLC-sized expansion. There is no one-size-fits-all model, and the disparity between these two extremes is massive.
3) The content produced for the games you mentioned is produced through one site and one site only. It's extremely hard to justify paying for a product when there are mods of equal or greater quality already available for less or free elsewhere.
Bornstellar
Member
W.T.F.
I'm curious to see proof of a direct correlation between the quality of something when it's free vs. when it's charged for. Are you saying modders have been holding back, waiting on this day to really step it up?
some people make TF2 maps and they get put in the game in an update and they get money
I mean, yeah, I was being hyperbolic for the sake of the argument, but my main point is that they handled these sorta thing before and it was incredibly good for everyone involved
people jumping to conclusions yadda yadda. Im sure there'll be a system in place for those with stuff like compatiblity worries for example.
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