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Please please please please have IPC that rivals sandy bridge, that is all I ask for amd...
It would save the cpu market for consumers...
Oh pretty please
The proper core talk and the 'high IPC gains' make me hopeful.
Yeah, I agree with this. The 8320 (and in particular the 8320E) is a great bang-for-buck CPU (probably the best CPU in AMDs AM3 line-up since all of them will easily overclock to the same speed as the 8350/8370 at stock voltage). I'll probably pick one up for a quick upgrade to one of my older AM3+ systems when I find one on sale for $100. I do some video and 3D work and the Vishera line is excellent for those needs.
As to your point about a lot of people hating on AMD, have to agree its pretty rampant on GAF. I have multiple systems in my households using various combinations of AMD/Intel & ATI (AMD)/nVidia. For the vast majority of tasks - including gaming - its difficult to tell the difference. I have a couple low/mid range systems with Athlon II 760K CPUs + R9 270 in one & GTX 960 in the other. I picked up my 760Ks for $65 each. Both are hooked up to big screen TVs for 1080p gaming. I have another system hooked up to a 30" Dell monitor with a i5-4690k + GTX 970. When trying to run games at 2560 x 1600 on the Dell there is a noticeable frame-rate difference. However, its pretty much impossible to tell the difference between the 3 systems when running 1080P/60fps on my Vizio 65" or my 55" Panasonic plasma at 1080P. So, for practical purposes, when coupled with a capable video card my $65 CPU avails itself very well against my $240 CPU.
AMD CPUs are still a good value proposition at the $100 or under price point. The hate makes zero sense from a practical use or consumer standpoint. Even die-hard intel/nVidia fan boys should be hoping for AMD to come out swinging with Zen. Competition is good for all of us. Without it the market for CPUs & GPUs stagnates while Intel/nVidia keep prices higher than they would be otherwise.
None of this is true if you play games
the fx cpus have the same ipc than the phenom II
I have a phenom II, a friend of mine has an fx 8350
We both bitch to eachother about the cpus being guttertrash for certain games
fx8350 friend gets 30-40 fps in dirty bomb with megastuttering, which is the same I get with my 100 euro 3 core phenom II from 2009.
Every game that puts most of the load on one core (still quite a lot of games) and that is cpu demanding will run like trash on these things.
Also in the low end market the pentium anniversary and the i3 beat the pants off the amd variants in the same price bracket
Only thing amd beats intel at is integrated gpu performance, both are still shit.