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[EzekelRAGE]

What contradiction is there between me saying you are the lost partner and you making it look like you want the mafia to target you? In response to me asking you why did all that posting stuff you said "distract mafia". You keep trying to say my whole argument falls apart due to contradictions about Hobo (which is easily explained as you straddling the fence) but I clearly pointed out that you being the lost partner still fits perfectly even if I never mentioned Salva/Hobo. You are using the Salva/Hobo argument to draw attention away from the fact that you could be the lost partner.

What is your answer to this part? That you seemed to ignore, which was most of the post.

Salva Vote - You said you just went through the thread, counting "1,2,3, etc." and that you really didn't think about the names. I just went over the thread and counted the votes for that day. I counted all votes w/o taking out a person's vote if they voted for someone else, which is basically what you said you did. I counted all votes from Haly's first vote to my vote just before you "got confused". The tally that you would have doing it that way is 8 votes for Salva and 7 votes for Hobo (real count was 6 for Sal, 7 for Hobo). So that story still doesn't add up. Even if you counted how you say you counted, it wouldnt be a tie by your count. And you saying why risk yourself for Hobo in the vote can easily be explained by you sayin "I was confused".

You keep saying why would you risk everything on Hobo. You didn't since you did it under the act of confusion.

@Squid, I knew that it was a joking post, just wanted to see what he would say. I also know why he roleclaimed villager, just wanted to see if I could trip him up.

 

[kingkitty]

Kingkitty

Asking for someone to be investigated is as likely to keep that person from being investigated as not. If investigators were to generally follow those sorts of directives mafia could direct their kills appropriately.

From a mafia standpoint, asking an investigator to out one of their own could be a move to gain townie trust.

But...mafia asking an investigator to investigate one of their own in the hope that it would actually deter the investigator. I can't agree with that. Seems too risky in my opinion.

 

[kingkitty]

What contradiction is there between me saying you are the lost partner and you making it look like you want the mafia to target you? In response to me asking you why did all that posting stuff you said "distract mafia". You keep trying to say my whole argument falls apart due to contradictions about Hobo (which is easily explained as you straddling the fence) but I clearly pointed out that you being the lost partner still fits perfectly even if I never mentioned Salva/Hobo. You are using the Salva/Hobo argument to draw attention away from the fact that you could be the lost partner.

It's not 'easily explained', you just did a hand wave. It's a clear contradiction, and you're willing to ignore it. Hopefully others can follow can follow a different path.

What is your answer to this part? That you seemed to ignore, which was most of the post.

huh, I counted 1,2,3,4, didn't care about the names. Assumed you didn't switch your vote, but was a new vote. It's simple as that. I'm not interested in convincing you anymore. You're locked in to your vote.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Squid - I don't understand what you mean. Why does only one of them have to be HHA?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

It's not 'easily explained', you just did a hand wave. It's a clear contradiction, and you're willing to ignore it. Hopefully others can follow can follow a different path.

Again, you haven't said the problem in the theory you were the lost partner. What is the contradiction in regards to the argument about you being the lost partner based on the posts of you getting the HHA to target you.

I
huh, I counted 1,2,3,4, didn't care about the names. Assumed you didn't switch your vote, but was a new vote. It's simple as that. I'm not interested in convincing you anymore. You're locked in to your vote.

I know, you said you didn't look at names or look at me or Kard's vote tally. Using that tally it would be 11 votes for Salva and 7 votes for Hobo by your count. These are all the highlighted votes for that day. What was your reason for voting Salva over Hobo? You said you felt neither was HHA, but went on Salva. Salva put up a much better defense than Hobo did.

Vote: salvapot

VOTE: SalvaPot

Vote: SalvaPot

Vote: Salvapot

VOTE: SalvaPot

VOTE: SalvaPot

Vote: Salvapot

Vote: SalvaPot

Vote: SalvaPot

VOTE: SalvaPot

Vote: SalvaPot

Vote: Hobohodo

VOTE: Hobohodo

Vote: Hobohodo

VOTE: Hobohodo

Vote:Hobohodo

Vote: Hobohodo

Vote: Hobohodo

 

[Haly]

When you quote votes, for Karkador's sanity, break the highlight tags so that it doesn't show up as a false positive when he does a count.

 

[Karkador]

It's okay, I catch votes that ended up repeated in quotes (though it sometimes makes me do a double-take). It's probably a lot of extra work to remove the tags, too.

 

[kingkitty]

Again, you haven't said the problem in the theory you were the lost partner. What is the contradiction in regards to the argument about you being the lost partner based on the posts of you getting the HHA to target you.

If there wasn't such a clear contradiction in mafia behavior, then you might have a case about the lost partner. But for the lost partner idea to work, you have to ignore/handwave the contradictions. The contradictions which I've outlined countless times.

It makes no sense for mafia to try to gain the trust of the townies by having an investigator look at one of their own, throwing Hobodobo under the bus. But then moments later, throw all that trust out of the window by doing a last minute save of Hobodobo.

Salva put up a much better defense than Hobo did.

in your opinion. I didn't feel strongly either way, but I gave hobo the benefit the doubt. If franconp could confirm that hobodobo was a good guy, then I'd have two useful townies that I could trust in the gossip chat. Obviously that was the wrong course.

Anyways, we shouldn't waste our time doing this back and forth when it's obvious that you're fine with swatting away contradictions. You're gonna vote how you're gonna vote. It's a waste of a vote. It's a vote based on ignoring weird contradictory behavior by mafia. But it's your vote.

I'm going to instead use my effort to convince other townies that this isn't the right path.

 

[RetroMG]

Welp, I'm back from that wedding i was going to, and, oh hey, the AC Mafia thread is updated. I thought Night was going to be a while longer. Let's just pop in and...oh. Oh, wow.

Okay, so reading all that took an hour or so.

I'm just going to throw this thought out there. I've been operating under the assumption that each Gossip group has or has had at least one Mafia in it. That just makes good sense to me, that Kark would plan it out that way. That way, each night phase becomes a sort of mini-mafia game. (I'm not ruling out the actual gossips, either. I know that I'm not Mafia, but I also know that no one can actually prove that.)

That being said, I've obviously had suspicions about Ouro and Nin. (This should not surprise either of them, as I said the exact same thing to them in Gossip chat last night.) I've trusted both of them at one time or another, but I've also suspected both at one time or another. At the moment, I'm content to keep watching and waiting, for a little longer.

Anyway, that's just a thought I wanted to put out there.

 

[RetroMG]

Also: New Avatar! I thought Alton Brown was a good choice because he's a face you can trust, (Sorry Salva,) and also someone who is willing to stab people in the back.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

When you quote votes, for Karkador's sanity, break the highlight tags so that it doesn't show up as a false positive when he does a count.

Yea my bad, I won't be doing it again. Just wanted to prove a point.

snip

Again, you are writing off the lost partner theory because of what you say are contradictions about Hobo. You still haven't stated the contradiction in you being a lost partner and purposelly getting the HHA to target you. You getting flipped has nothing to do with your interactions with Hobo. So I don't know why you keep on dodging and trying to say it is just handwaving. Looking back at that day, you didn't just make one post about investigating Hobo, you made several.

I also think it's a shame to be getting rid of Hobo with less than five hours to spare. Hobo probably won't get the chance to plead his case.

yeah he did.

In my opinion, I think Hobodohobo should get investigated, not evicted.

I do think Hobodobo should get investigated.

well obviously, but I prefer he pick hobodobo.

Yeah, it could tell us nothing, or it could tell us something. I would prefer at least we give him some time to explain himself. I rather we not choose someone else out of the blue with only a few hours to spare.

I wouldn't call it a chopping block. He only started to receive votes a few hours ago.

Do you intend to vote for him Launchpad?

There was literally no reason for you to stop the Hobo eviction. He had posted little at that point in the game and really didn't add much to the game. And as far as defenses of Salva and Hobo go, Salva won hands down. Hobo only made two posts:

Ever since Razmos came out as a Gossip I felt that at some point the fact I am a bridge would come up. The thing is, going off the content of Mazre’s chat I feel like some of you have overstated the information that can actually be gained from them. There have been very few posts in Mazre’s chat at night and even from those there is no real way to know if anyone is telling the truth. Maybe it has been a different situation over in Razmos’ and Froshy’s chats about how much discussion is going on? If information were flowing freely in those chats then letting a mafia get in to both would give them the opportunity to get a read on far more players. When the mafia are all ready more in the know than us, giving them even more chances to get some information seems unlikely.

Secondly in regards to the gossip network that exists in the top right I feel it is worth considering that whilst I am able to be invited in to both, Salva is surrounded by members of the network but is unable to actually get in to one himself. Could be nothing but I found it interesting.

Vote: SalvaPot

It's clear who this is going to be between and I am going to have no phone signal from now till the deadline. Will try and pop in to see what's up in breaks during my classes however.

Compare this with Salva's post defending himself

It was not going to be a tie and it was me who tried to make hippiehobo not evicted in the first place, look back to the voting day and the voting was clearly in favor of evicting hippie and then I was the first to follow hippie when he double voted Tomakasatsanav (As you can see here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1044457&page=13), it was not until 5 minutes before it was the time to run out that I changed my vote to hippie because there was a risk for a tie, and if you guys remember correctly, everyone agreed that we had to get a tie that day.

It really bothers me that people say I hammered the hippiehobo vote when: a)We had no info to go through and b) I was the first to follow hippie and tried to save him to evict someone else.


Vote: Tomakasatsanav

I don´t really have much of a defense. I am a ordinary villager with no powers other than voting. Since day one I have been vocal, starting votes, interrogating people and trying to figure out the rules of the map. I have been suspicious of everyone. I honestly have been playing as open as I do because I have nothing to hide, but I knew my actions would seem suspicious sooner or later since, like haly and the last day launchpad, I have constantly tried to keep the discussion going and pointing out stuff that seems weird to me.

I really don´t mind if I am evicted this day, as I see it the fact that our town got no eviction last night means we have an extra turn to figure things out. Also, my role (ordinary villager) is expendable and I am far more interested if we are able to rat out the people who are claiming as their cover. If by my eviction that realization comes sooner, sounds fine to me.

That said, its a waste of a turn to evict me since I am a villager and you are losing the chance to try to get a HHA (But better me than a doctor I say), I feel I have been helpful even if the votes I have followed so far have not given us anything so far (And as a reminder, it was haly who both times leaded those votes with his observations)

Oh, and I still maintain that there has to be a reason why we are setup as a grid and why the gossips are mirrored, but I also think Karkador wouldn´t put the HHA mirrored in the same way for fear of been to obvious.

Back to me, I have no better defense than the way I vote. If I change votes all the times is because I want to get people to talk and react, not because I want to get rid of everyone else, even I have gone back on my vote some times after I said it was "for sure" as I did with freak on day 2. You might say is suspicious, but that is mostly because I never shut up and I am always working to try to figure things out for the town, as I am expendable.

And this is a face you can trust x).

Come on now, lets not act like we knew hippiehobo was townie for sure, everyone who kept his vote for him did so and stay like that, now are you calling me out because I tried to make something different than the rest. First I am accused of bandwagon other votes and now because I am erratic. I did not change my vote sooner because there where at least 4 people left to vote, and the time limit is definitive. If the voters that saved their votes decided to do so at the very last second then we would effectively give the hammer to the HHA. I voted the way I did to give options to the town and to see who teams up with who. Of course I changed my vote back to hippiehobo at the end, 5 minutes before it ended, because at the moment a tie was worst than a wrong evict and you know it. Everyone knew it and agreed on it and when I voted for someone else we did get more information and even more people got to vote.

Check back and my vote was a clear 6-5 of Hippie vs nin, one more vote and it would have been a tie, and that is why I changed it back to hippie in the last second for a 7-4 result. If I was HHA, wouldn´t it be on my best interest to get a tie or to get a townie? Specially after everyone made a point that we needed to evict someone.





So please stop saying I hammered hippiehobo eviction, if anything, I almost got him saved, but I was not going to risk a tie to do so.

You seem to ignore the fact that when I egged nin was to call him out because he was NOT defending himself, which I found weird. He was getting close to getting evicted (At the moment 2 more votes would get him out) and he did nothing to defend himself other than complain. That is, he choose not to vote. In a way it worked, since that raised suspicion of him because it seemed he was unwilling to wrongly evict someone else.



The point I was trying to make is that we had won literally nothing we a tie. At that moment, a tie was the worst case scenario. Think back to Day 2. We had no leads, no information and a need to keep the ball rolling. Not evicting someone was worst than evicting hippiehobo. With the way the voting was setup at the moment, 6-5, it was clear a few votes was all needed to force a tie or save hippie. If hippie was HHA, he would have been saved (And remember, there was a reasonable doubt that hippie might have been HHA, as ilustrated by haly and me)

If my objective was to get hippie from the very beginning, why would I try to get nin evicted instead? I still think nin was a better evict vote than hippie, and nin is proved villager or HHA I would be right (Remember, mayor is a better role than villager) and tried to support hippie on that, but once the time was running out I really did not feel like risking the tie. You keep saying this is was either a bad strategy or a scum tell. Why?

It was a good strategy for town:

1) It got people talking A LOT.
2) It got more people voting than any other day
3) It clearly attracted the eye of the users.

The reason I keep defending myself here is not because I think I am about to get caught, is because my actions can be explained because I am a townie acting to get information for the town. I honestly don´t mind been suspect right now, and please do keep trying to get more arguments against me, I will answer all the questions you throw at me because my motives are pretty clear.

(And I am curious why haly was the first to vote for me, he normally has a lot of arguments and visions behind his votes but this time he just threw me under the bus just like that, its kind of out of character xD)

But your argument relies on me wanting to evict someone no matter what, right? If that is the case... then I really had no need to try and get nin evicted in the first place, I could have just followed my initial vote to get hippie and not bring attention to myself.

Also, you say I don´t want to bring attention to myself. This argument is wrong, since the whole game I have been vocal and loud, me and haly have been the most active users by far from day 1 when it comes to try to get a discussion going, as proven by haly voting for me and me been her to defend myself.

I did not want a tie because that would benefit HHA the most. How? No information is better for them. The choice to evict someone was clear and I would have rather be nin than hippie, but once time run out I just did what had to be done.

So again, your logic there is wrong. You said it yourself, is a roundabout solution to a problem that really did not need to be solved IF I was HHA. What does that say? That if I was HHA I would have not acted that way, I would have just shut up and wait to see how things play out. I did not, I voiced my opinion and tried to get nin evicted instead, since that seemed like a better option to me at the moment.

Long post short, the history you propose just doesn´t make sense.

So you are saying I had nothing to lose and that is why I voted the way I did? If I was HHA, I would have a lot to lose by putting myself in a situation that clearly benefited town. No, seriously, think about it , my actions could only be made with the town benefit in mind, you keep saying I did it to keep my cover, but what I did was go against the stream and that clearly puts me front and center, if I was a HHA I would have a lot to lose and nothing to gain.

If I was a HHA, in that situation, THERE WAS NO REASON TO RISK MYSELF:

This was the situation: Hippie was going to be evicted and no one was supporting him, he was just going to be evicted just like that, and the only information we could have gotten was his role, since everyone was just following that vote.

If I was HHA this is how a smart player would go:

Situation 1: Hippie is getting voted out by everyone. Just follow the vote.

Situation 2: Don´t cast a vote and attract no attention to yourself, since you normally need to reason your votes but that might be telling.

Situation 3 (the one you are suggesting): Vote for someone else to gather information for the HHA and elaborate a cover since I defended another member who will be forever grateful.

The thing is, the third situation only works if I don´t change my vote at the last time, since, if I was HHA, either hippie, nin or no eviction is good for the town. I knew I would get suspicion for changing my vote at the last moment but I think it was the right thing to do for the benefit of the town, and I still think a tie would have been the worst for the town, even after we got the mayor.


Let me ask you something launch, since you seem really eager with this. How sure are you that I am HHA? Are you entirely convinced? So far your arguments relies in me betraying the character you said I build since day 1, but I really don´t have a character. I have always been clear with my arguments and more clear with why I voted. When i said I was not sure about a vote, I was not sure. When I said I had suspicious, I pointed fingers. I am not afraid of making enemies here because to me all of you are suspicious in different degrees. When I said I did not want to risk a tie, I said it fairly early on and I made good of that.

Also, I want to hear what everyone want to say about launch accusations and my responses to them, I want to be as clear as possible. If anyone has suspicions about me might as well bring them forth since I am sure I am townie and my actions can prove it x)

Hmm, allright then. I honestly don´t blame you for wanting to evict me since I was extremely active and have been from day 1 and that is the risk of playing like that, people notice you and suspect there has to be an ulterior motive. Believe me, I did my best to try to sniff out HHA players and I think it shows.

Here is my argument: There really is no downside to voting me out. My role is just a ordinary villager. But it is a reasonable suspicion to think of me as a HHA that tried to move way too much (That again, the plot you mention would be such a dumb move for a HHA since is a 100% unnecessary risk since others had already moved for the eviction without me having to do anything).

It is my job to make you guys realize I am town aligned and that my actions and conversations had only that interest in mind. If I am evicted, I am honestly not that worried, our investigator is still alive and it seems we have the means to get a town victory since we have yet to loss a important role.

If anyone still doubts me feel free to read back on all my posts. If even after that the town decides to evict me, then so be it. I know how this sounds and how it seems like I am trying to weasel my way out of an eviction, but from the very first I have been honest with all of you, again, because I have nothing to hide. I decided to speak up early because I am sure I can prove my innocence. And if the only way to prove that said innocence is by getting evicted, well, hippiehobo is waiting for me on the other side.

Oh yeah, and about hippiehobo role, any and all information was important at the moment, so please don´t minimize the actions that we all choosed when evicting hobo, everyone was as guilty of that eviction and it was for the greater good. The reason he was voted in the first place was because he refused to out his role and once it came out, I gave the idea that his role could still be HHA aligned, but it was unlikely. Saving hippiehobo was not my priority, my priority was getting a discussion started to gather more information for the town. Hell, I said evicting hippiehobo made no sense at the moment since his role was not a immediate treat, it was haly who insisted in evicting him because his role could be more beneficial to HHA in the long run to hammer the votes if hippies role was HHA aligned.

I understand man x). We need to get the HHA and I completely understand you and haly pointing fingers at me. What I am saying is that I think my arguments of why I am not HHA are better than what others that might claim villager have. That is why I answered as soon as possible to the votes, because I am sure of my innocence x).

Besides me, is there someone else you can accuse the same way you did me? I think you did a fairly decent case about me, but I hope you see its really reaching for ideas.

I am waiting now for foshy and Lunatic response, I think it might be interesting what they have to say.

I already defended myself and told you guys why I am an ordinary villager, there really is no point in voting for me yet again, since you are not going to get more information out of me because there is nothing else, and yes, I know that this is something a HHA trying to keep appearances will say, but try to look it this way. Try with another one of the villager claim and see how they react, and lets try to get more info for the town here, voting for me again is a waste of time -___-.

All I am saying is that we should try to give the other villagers the treatment I am getting and see if their arguments hold water, just focusing on me for today really brings nothing new, since the only way to prove myself is going to be with my eviction and then we would have wasted another day. If after the other villagers have explained themselves properly (like toma did), I am still the main suspect, I won´t mind at all been evicted, since getting me is really not a huge loss, at least I am not like a doctor or something.

After all this, saying Hobo had the better defense is laughable. This is what you posted in regards to the Hobo/Salva situation.

If there's a tie with 5 mins left, I will change my vote to Salvapot.

Which you then go back on because when you saw Hobo in trouble, you voted Salva, when it wasn't tied claiming you were "confused". Again you still didn't address the voting situation. All the votes I listed, which is how you say you counted it still doesn't say it was a tie. Salva was in the lead in voting if you say you just went "1,2,3,4". For all I know, you were purposely trying to be contradictory towards Hobo, so you could use it as a defense. I will continue to do this back and forth because others need to be convinced to vote for you as well. It's pretty obvious you are dodging specific parts of my arguments and only focusing on the Hobo thing. Even when I pointed out the lost partner theory has nothing to do with Hobo, you still didn't want to answer.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

sorry kark, missed a highlighted vote. Thought I got them all by unhightlighting or deleting them from the quotes :/

 

[Razmos]

Was already suspicious of him, but EzekielRAGE convinced me even more.

VOTE: kingkitty

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I believe it's Ultron as the Timmy.
KingKitty as Lost Partner

That leaves the Uncle and another possible HHA member.

People to look at:
Ouro
Haly

The Salva/Hobo vote was very close. Looking back at it
Hobohodo (6)
Razmos
tomakasatnav
LaunchPadMcQ - known town
Kalor - Known town
nin1000
EzekelRAGE

SalvaPot (7)
Haly
franconp
Ourobolus
Hobohodo
EzekelRAGE - Unvoted
RobotNinjaHornets
ultron87
kingkitty

I'm willing to bet that there are 2 HHA in the votes for Salva, minus Hobo's. There were other unvotes for both.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

We still never found the reason for toma not getting a notice for Tucah's eviction right?

 

[Haly]

I think ultron is both Timmy and the Lost partner. I'll explain why when I get back.

 

[nin1000]

Sorry but there has been a thing that had been bothering me since day 2 of this game. It has been the way Timeasis has been posting. If you compare his way of posting to the last game and now I just can't get the feeling out of my head that there is something wrong with it. He was so much more vocal the last game were he was a normal villager. Now he claims to be one again, I dont know who 'confirmed' that he was one but I don't know. It just bothers me that he is not even that vocal.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I think ultron is both Timmy and the Lost partner. I'll explain why when I get back.

That's hard to believe, but willing to hear you out. Also, what part of King's heat didn't you agree with?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Sorry but there has been a thing that had been bothering me since day 2 of this game. It has been the way Timeasis has been posting. If you compare his way of posting to the last game and now I just can't get the feeling out of my head that there is something wrong with it. He was so much more vocal the last game were he was a normal villager. Now he claims to be one again, I dont know who 'confirmed' that he was one but I don't know. It just bothers me that he is not even that vocal.

Fran has confirmed him and RNH so far

 

[franconp]

I think ultron is both Timmy and the Lost partner. I'll explain why when I get back.

How do you explain there was no eviction the 3rd night?

 

[Haly]

You role claimed as investigator on day 3, making yourself the biggest possible target.

Ultron also signaled to HHA saying if he was HHA he would take the eviction to get rid of the investigator. On day 3.

 

[franconp]

I forgot about Ultron post.

That makes sense.

 

[Karkador]

Clock bells chime in the distance

CURRENT PHASE

Current Votes for this Round (11 needed for majority)
(a strike means the player voted for, then unvoted, the player)
The Top 2 voted will be evicted today


Ourobolus (3)
squidyj
Haly
EzekelRAGE
kingkitty

Haly (1)
Haly
Darryl

RobotNinjaHornets (1)
Ourobolus

kingkitty (2)
EzekelRAGE
Razmos


Time Left Until Day 6 Ends

 

[ultron87]

You role claimed as investigator on day 3, making yourself the biggest possible target.

Ultron also signaled to HHA saying if he was HHA he would take the eviction to get rid of the investigator. On day 3.

That was on Day 4. Guess they can read the future to know to activate me the night before.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=166384712&highlight=#post166384712

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Thing is Kark specifically said

Additionally, the space D4 has a house with two players - the housemates. They have each been assigned roles at random, like all other players, and don't necessarily know each other's roles or alignments - but any action carried out on that space (whether by Day or Night) must be carried out on both players.

So as far as HHA is concerned even if they meant to kill one of them, they would have to kill both. Even if one was the lost partner, that wouldnt stop the action of the eviction happening to the other roomie would it?

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Day 3 is also the day Kingkitty painted a target on his back.

 

[Haly]

Well I miscounted. There's still a compelling reason to believe that the activation was if you. The Traitor knows at least one of the HHA. fran's ability isn't in doubt. If he knew there was something suspicious about one of the villagers he'd have investigated them immediately to confirm.

 

[franconp]

I already asked something similar to Kark. I asked him what would happen if we were targeted by HHA and one of us was protected. He told me that the protection would cover the two of us so I think this could be the same.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

I already asked something similar to Kark. I asked him what would happen if we were targeted by HHA and one of us was protected. He told me that the protection would cover the two of us so I think this could be the same.

Yea, but you said protected, as in a doctor protecting you both, which would make sense. Doctor would have to protect both since any action on one, has to happen to the other. But if no one protected you and one of you flipped because you were the lost partner, that doesn't protect the other. Eviction activates the flip, so an eviction had to happen.

 

[ultron87]

Well I miscounted. There's still a compelling reason to believe that the activation was if you. The Traitor knows at least one of the HHA. fran's ability isn't in doubt. If he knew there was something suspicious about one of the villagers he'd have investigated them immediately to confirm.

You say there's still a compelling reason but then don't explain it at all and instead say something seemingly unrelated about Fran.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Ouro, you want to change your vote to Kingkitty? At this point, voting for RNH won't help you much.

 

[nin1000]

Vote: Ourobolus

For the sole reason that I don't trust him and want him out.

 

[Ourobolus]

Well I was hoping that while I slept we'd hopefully go in a different direction, but it doesn't look like this is the case, and I can't keep being dodgy about my role. It's something I've wanted to be kept hidden in case the HHA tried to evict me, but judging by how today is going they may never get the chance.

I am a Vengeful Villager. If evicted at night, I will take out my attacker as well. If evicted during the day, I take out the last vote against me.

It's a useful role, and the reason I was being especially cryptic with my role, potentially drawing out HHA into going after me tonight. As for now, I'll settle for not evicting another townie with me on the way out.

 

[squidyj]

You say there's still a compelling reason but then don't explain it at all and instead say something seemingly unrelated about Fran.

are you deliberately misunderstanding what he's saying? because I thought it was pretty clear.

 

[Haly]

You say there's still a compelling reason but then don't explain it at all and instead say something seemingly unrelated about Fran.

If the choice is between you or Fran, it would be you. That's the reason. You seemed so intent on throwing suspicion onto Fran when the day started I thought it was worth mentioning.

I don't have anything substantial to say about kingkitty except that most of Ezekiel's argument against him revolves around interpreting some questionable actions as intentional deceptions rather than honest mistakes. We did this one with hippiehobo and look at how well that turned out.

 

[ultron87]

are you deliberately misunderstanding what he's saying? because I thought it was pretty clear.

I'm really not following what he said.

He's saying I must be the sleeper because if Fran was the Sleeper he would've investigated the person he already knew was HHA? I don't see how any of that follows.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong.

 

[squidyj]

Well I was hoping that while I slept we'd hopefully go in a different direction, but it doesn't look like this is the case, and I can't keep being dodgy about my role. It's something I've wanted to be kept hidden in case the HHA tried to evict me, but judging by how today is going they may never get the chance.

I am a Vengeful Villager. If evicted at night, I will take out my attacker as well. If evicted during the day, I take out the last vote against me.

It's a useful role, and the reason I was being especially cryptic with my role, potentially drawing out HHA into going after me tonight. As for now, I'll settle for not evicting another townie with me on the way out.

well if things keep on as is i'm actually okay with you taking out nin. but that would only be if I believed you. and at this point, to me at least, your credibility is completely and utterly shot. I think it's possible you have the second part of your power and not the first because you're hha and wouldn't die at night (we have no evidence of a vigi as yet)

 

[ultron87]

If the choice is between you or Fran, it would be you. That's the reason. You seemed so intent on throwing suspicion onto Fran when the day started I thought it was worth mentioning.

I don't have anything substantial to say about kingkitty except that most of Ezekiel's argument against him revolves around interpreting some questionable actions as intentional deceptions rather than honest mistakes. We did this one with hippiehobo and look at how well that turned out.

Neither of us is the sleeper. It'd be super boring to put the sleeper in the roommate house because they'd get activated with basically no effort or chance involved.

 

[Ourobolus]

I don't blame you guys, seriously. After the first two nights I noticed HHA was taking out the people sorta in the middle of the pack, so I laid low and tried to be a little inconspicuous in hopes they would go after me. But then they missed for some reason, and then got Launchpad, so they didn't take the bait.

 

[ultron87]

Neither of us is the sleeper. It'd be super boring to put the sleeper in the roommate house because they'd get activated with basically no effort or chance involved.

Franconp has just always been the Mafia Role Cop. A role that has a nice side benefit and cute design synergy of being able to sniff out their sleeper at some point in the game.

 

[squidyj]

I don't blame you guys, seriously. After the first two nights I noticed HHA was taking out the people sorta in the middle of the pack, so I laid low and tried to be a little inconspicuous in hopes they would go after me. But then they missed for some reason, and then got Launchpad, so they didn't take the bait.

I think that we should expect similar roleclaims from every mafia that we put up on the block.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Vote: Ourobolus

For the sole reason that I don't trust him and want him out.

What are your thoughts on King?

Well I was hoping that while I slept we'd hopefully go in a different direction, but it doesn't look like this is the case, and I can't keep being dodgy about my role. It's something I've wanted to be kept hidden in case the HHA tried to evict me, but judging by how today is going they may never get the chance.

I am a Vengeful Villager. If evicted at night, I will take out my attacker as well. If evicted during the day, I take out the last vote against me.

It's a useful role, and the reason I was being especially cryptic with my role, potentially drawing out HHA into going after me tonight. As for now, I'll settle for not evicting another townie with me on the way out.

Do you want to change your vote to King?

If the choice is between you or Fran, it would be you. That's the reason. You seemed so intent on throwing suspicion onto Fran when the day started I thought it was worth mentioning.

I don't have anything substantial to say about kingkitty except that most of Ezekiel's argument against him revolves around interpreting some questionable actions as intentional deceptions rather than honest mistakes. We did this one with hippiehobo and look at how well that turned out.

Him being Tommy and the Lost partner still doesnt make since. You did it with Hippie. My thing with King is more plausible than how you went overboard with Hippie after his power was blasted. Hippie has nothing to do with King. Also, there is still the fault in your theory in regards to the eviction taking out the one that isn't the partner.

 

[Haly]

Neither of us is the sleeper. It'd be super boring to put the sleeper in the roommate house because they'd get activated with basically no effort or chance involved.

I can't think of another way for you to have survived this long. It just doesn't make sense.

Fran's investigator role is a guard against day 1 eviction. The sleeper role is a guard against night 1 eviction. That's the only sensible way to structure this game. Otherwise Kark is relying on mind games to make sure the game doesn't devolve into chaos the first day.

 

[Ourobolus]

I think that we should expect similar roleclaims from every mafia that we put up on the block.

Undoubtedly. Again, I don't blame you for being suspicious.

Do you want to change your vote to King?

Hm, I guess as a matter of preservation, that's probably the safest. Though I'm still up there as well so it won't change much.

Vote: kingkitty

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Haly/squid, can either of you explain to me how the other roommate would survive even if one was the lost partner?

Writing off what I said about King just because you messed up with Hippie and started posting less is weak as well.

 

[Haly]

Read what franconp said. Kark confirmed that shhh action taken against one roommate affects both. If the action is negated then they both survive.

I think its misleading to say that we vote and single out specific players when what's really happening is that we're specifying squares on the grid. It is a subtle but important distinction, mentally speaking. They're not kicking out players, but burning down houses. Fran isn't investigating players, but investigating houses.

 

[squidyj]

Haly/squid, can either of you explain to me how the other roommate would survive even if one was the lost partner?

Writing off what I said about King just because you messed up with Hippie and started posting less is weak as well.

Haly explained it, if they targeted the roomies and one of them was lost partner then both of them should have been saved according to what Kark said.

 

[EzekelRAGE]

Read what franconp said. Kark confirmed that shhh action taken against one roommate affects both. If the action is negated then they both survive.

I think its misleading to say that we vote and single out specific players when what's really happening is that we're specifying squares on the grid. It is a subtle but important distinction, mentally speaking. They're not kicking out players, but burning down houses. Fran isn't investigating players, but investigating houses.

The action of eviction wasn't necessarily negated. It just activated the lost partnet. In the description it didn't say anything about actively protecting the lost partner, it's a passive. So it makes no sense for the other roomie to survive. Also the part about looking at the grid more than the actions of the players makes no sense in regards to King's situation. If he is the lost partner, his place on the grid means nothing.

Haly explained it, if they targeted the roomies and one of them was lost partner then both of them should have been saved according to what Kark said.

If you attempt to Evict your lost partner, they will instead become a full-fledged partner with eviction/night-chat privileges.

Also you still havent explained how Ultron is Timmy AND the lost partner.

 

[Darryl]

Us having to manually evict the roomies has always been an inevitability. An alternate read of this scenario however is that the HHA actually caught Haly in a conversion and he's trying to deflect that suspicion now that it is on the table. As any of us could agree that prior to now, Haly would have been a threat had he been a Townie. He also ignored me calling him out for it and instead concocted this scenario.

 

[Darryl]

Haly/squid, can either of you explain to me how the other roommate would survive even if one was the lost partner?

Writing off what I said about King just because you messed up with Hippie and started posting less is weak as well.

I feel like it's been clear that those two players are strapped. After all if one were to be evicted it would just be weird to explain on Karkadors part.