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Germany: Single Platform Lifetime Sales Awards for June (SPOILER: everything was PS4)
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Cthulhu_Steev
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Translation: Alouette, je te plumera, etc.
Equating XBox owners as more tech savvy with nothing but anecdotal evidence, PS4 owners as "casuals" (whatever that even means), and saying the XBox One is struggling because it's more complex (obviously people are too dumb to comprehend it) is not condescending?
And to top it off, you hide behind "Just my point of view"? Get that shit out of here.
Right, it can't be that some people simply have a different taste in games than you. It must be because we're all blind Sony fanboys.
To be fair you simply used a bunch of keywords and threw in my opinion at the end. You said the hardware has more vomplexity which can mean anything. And I have no idea what you mean by the xbox one being more of a service box then a pure hardware tool. I will agree, the Xbox one is more complex to program for due to the esram.
astrogamer
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Any list of the Wii U/3DS winners to compare to that list earlier. I recall Mario Kart 8 got over 100k and Tomodachi Life got over 200k but I can't remember besides that
As you can read, I wrote about the people in my surroundings. So it was just a snippet of my view, as I can see it and describe it. Don´t know, why you act as if I want to judge about all other PS4/Xbox owners?!
The part about complexity is just something worth to talk about, so I added it into this thread. Condescendence is definitely an assumption.
1st Course
Member
Andrew House attributed one of the reasons behind PS4 growth in Germany to PC users shifting to consoles
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=939259
German savy. They picked better console with better games library. Go figure.
i don't know but I'd say poor reception to Xbox reveal, historic strength of Playstation brand coupled with initial price point differences and preference for GT vs Forza for console racers plus preference for Sony franchises historically. Or maybe not. Who knows.
What do you mean by complexity though? Are you talking about how it is more complex to develop for the Xbox one because of the esram? Or something else?
No Knack? Piss off, Germany.
The Order is a great looking game which appeals to Europeans.
And the PS4 is simply the better product with far more games with a huge variety in all genres. The PS brand is also strong because people have come to love PlayStation over the years with its' guaranteed software support.
Why should customers give even the slightest bit of a shit about that?
And after the Kinect BS is anyone really surprised that the xbone is doing poorly in Germany of all places?
I'm not saying they should. Alouette brought it up like it mattered so I'm trying to figure out what he's talking about.
The more complexity is meant because of the MS ecosystem. An xbox is very good integrated in this and if you use the provided features, it is more worth than just a high resolution in games (THIS IS AN/MY OPINION).
I´m using a lot of MS devices and every device is making a good use of this. It starts with a good music store, video store and photo library - all synchronizing and view/hearable on every device - online and (later on) offline. One account is managing all those services. Windows10 will hopefully implement more of these features!?
On Xbox One the voice control, youth protection (also by kinect) and TV integration is also pretty more complex and not as easy to present as just "higher resolution", like the PS4 can be presented.
So the people I´m talking to about hardware and the usage of it are saying something I tried to describe in a previous post.
The Ps4 also has a good ecosystem, and even has crossbuy. The ps4 comes standard with a headset and can do voice commands. The Xbox one needs optional hardware to do that. I assume youth protection with kinect means it can sign someone in buy face and their account is parent controlled? The ps4 can do that with their camera.
Worst first post ever.
You don't need to "love" the obvious, rational choice to choose it.
And if you have something out of the ecosystem your whole integration turn into a shitcake.
I have a SP2, if that's the kind of integration I have to expect from the xbone it's no wonder it's not viewed as a plus for most people.
Kinect is also a liability in Germany, they're very tight on privacy matters.
The xbone provided no value to most of the EU population to boot.
While Sony was pretty simple in its marketing ("you like games? here it is in higher res, bigger and better") and even Nintendo was better at communicating its values with that pad no one wanted to try.
Msft's marketing centered around concerns no one cared about like that hilariously bad design of hdmi passthrough (what happens if your signal is 50hz like in the EU?) or downright scary on a design basis like Kinect.
Msft have to play catch up because of that.
To add insult to injury everyone did better than MSFT last gen in the EU, by not focusing on markets they were already behind they gave freehand to Sony to pick the market.
Msft is paying for its woeful treatment of the EU markets.
#Xexit?
Cthulhu_Steev
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wow, you're chatting some proper shit here (JUST MY OPINION)
SS
ßig
Unconfirmed Member
Can't wait to see GT7 sales.
RespectThySole
Member
Great to see TW3 continuing to do well.
You're absolutely right.
In my case every MS device was bought time after time, but integrated well. I'm still using them, because they are still supported for my requirements. (just missing my calendar synchronized on the xbox one, also onenote and the remembering function of cortana).
The marketing was horrible and still it is. The gamerscore-sales was a good sign, but not enough, of course.
Btw: 50hz is supported in the settings for tv.
The youth protection is pretty good imo. If a kid walks in and kinect is logging in, there's no way to play a game not meant for their age (game pauses), stores can't be searched for videos or games (content shown for their ages only) and the box is asking, if "user xx" is allowed to watch the content one time, when starting something special (youtube, for example).
MS tried a different way to add something to a console. For me, it was a good try and my family and me are enjoying it a lot. Most people don't seem to like it, especially gamers.
In the meantime, my kids are yelling at every radio-device (whatever): volume down.
This is showing me, voice control can feel absolutely natural and is an awesome feature.
These features have been on every single console in this generation and the last generation.
Acquiescence
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ßig;172190456 said:
DriveClub did that much better than The Crew?! Germany, I think I love you.
Haha, so much fuss about data that is released every month and discussed in the PAL thread (but nobody seems to care).
I mentioned in this post old graphs until 2013, because they showed the difference between units and revenue. As already mentioned in the quoted post PS4 is probably generating more revenue than PC (for "full" games).
Software revenue for 2014 was:
752 million € consoles vs. 348 million € PC.
This does include digital sales. Browser games, DLC or subscriptions are excluded.
Assuming that PS4 had a share of more than 50% of console sales in 2014 (which is likely), PS4 would generate more revenue than PC on software. The Sony press release from SXW was probably directly comparing revenue per platform. PS4 should be right now the revenue leader in germany per platform. Profit is a totally different matter - but that data is not available.
Wickerbasket
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The PS4 having the better hardware and the larger games library kind of makes the decision a no brainer for gamers in Europe right now.
It's not hard to see why it's been so successful when you compare it against the competition.
It's not hard to see why it's been so successful when you compare it against the competition.
Kölsch Bloot
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*save image as...*
Caipirinha
Member
Lol The Order is my guilty pleasure too, it has so much in it that is bad or even contemptible, but it's just full of so much soul and slickness that I just can't dislike it at all.
I don't even know if it's a good or bad game overall, it's just... An experience. A great experience.
I would like a sequal that is properly good in all areas though.
I don't even know if it's a good or bad game overall, it's just... An experience. A great experience.
I would like a sequal that is properly good in all areas though.
Well, it was sold for a mere 20€ by amazon.de if one preordered a ps4 back when it was still supposed to be a launch title.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Well said. Perfect way to describe it.
Thank you very much.. Can you add month where the title reach the milestone.. Athough not much to see but wander if FIFA n GTA V reached 100k milestone earlier than PS4 version of FIFA and GTA V reaching 500k milestone..
KZ:SF and Infamous:SS sales are a bit disappoining..
SolidSnakex
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FIFA 15 PS4 - 500k (November)
FIFA 15 Xbox One - 100k (April)
GTAV PS4 - 500k (February)
GTAV Xbox One - 100k (March)
None of my friends have current gen consoles. Oh no, they must be selling like shit! Just my opinion guys!!!!!
Fucking anecdotes.
Eerily reminiscent of New Zealand, ain't it?
Haha, so much fuss about data that is released every month and discussed in the PAL thread (but nobody seems to care).
I mentioned in this post old graphs until 2013, because they showed the difference between units and revenue. As already mentioned in the quoted post PS4 is probably generating more revenue than PC (for "full" games).
Software revenue for 2014 was:
752 million consoles vs. 348 million PC.
This does include digital sales. Browser games, DLC or subscriptions are excluded.
Assuming that PS4 had a share of more than 50% of console sales in 2014 (which is likely), PS4 would generate more revenue than PC on software. The Sony press release from SXW was probably directly comparing revenue per platform. PS4 should be right now the revenue leader in germany per platform. Profit is a totally different matter - but that data is not available.
When talking about this PC vs Console stuff keep in mind:
One Platform SKU vs 4 or more platform SKUs
Debating revenue is one thing, because obviously a single platform is unlikely to compete. However considering profit as you say is a very different matter - exacerbated when looking at compiled console revenue as a whole and not considering all the costs incurred and separate development costs associated with each individual SKU with variability to each platform being likely, distribution, royalties etc etc.
I doubt we'd ever see the info in full for the bigger companies in order to make a comparison, so I find the debate of trying to somehow justify a "winner" as pretty pointless if not petty - particularly concerning revenue which is ultimately meaningless when the defining thing of importance to these companies is the profit they make
Panajev2001a
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Panajev2001a
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I also factor in how well they support their consoles over their lifetimes instead of dropping them like a rock when they start the preparations for their next-generation console launch.
lol France is Japan II. They love everything Japanese.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's the anti-American thing to do there! (bad joke, sorry)
Freedom Fries! Freedom Toast!
I will see my way out now.
I'd give half credit to Sony and half credit to Microsoft.
One delivered what the people wanted and the other company delivered everything that people hated.
Piss poor quality but there you go
Nein.
yurinka
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Nice to see The Order there! I want a sequel!
There's something strange in the graphs posted. They mention mobile gaming being way smaller than console and PC, even less than handheld consoles. This doesn't match with European or worldwide numbers I have regarding both number of players and revenue.
Please can someone explain these graphs? Maybe they talk about games made in Germany only, don't include F2P games or something like that?
Which includes to love games like The Order.
There's something strange in the graphs posted. They mention mobile gaming being way smaller than console and PC, even less than handheld consoles. This doesn't match with European or worldwide numbers I have regarding both number of players and revenue.
Please can someone explain these graphs? Maybe they talk about games made in Germany only, don't include F2P games or something like that?
That a majority of people there have different tastes than you, and are perfectly valid tastes.
Which includes to love games like The Order.
Haha, so much fuss about data that is released every month and discussed in the PAL thread (but nobody seems to care).
I mentioned in this post old graphs until 2013, because they showed the difference between units and revenue. As already mentioned in the quoted post PS4 is probably generating more revenue than PC (for "full" games).
Software revenue for 2014 was:
752 million € consoles vs. 348 million € PC.
This does include digital sales. Browser games, DLC or subscriptions are excluded.
Assuming that PS4 had a share of more than 50% of console sales in 2014 (which is likely), PS4 would generate more revenue than PC on software. The Sony press release from SXW was probably directly comparing revenue per platform. PS4 should be right now the revenue leader in germany per platform. Profit is a totally different matter - but that data is not available.
If it's anything like the graph above, it doesn't include F2P or subscription stuff, which excludes a massive portion of the market in Germany. I don't know specifically about mobile, but MMO/F2P growth in Germany has been increasing dramatically for the past five years. Looking at this infographic by Newzoo, mobile and PC both have the largest share of the market in terms of players by a significant amount, with 92% of gamers playing games on their PCs, and 68% playing games on their mobile devices as of 2014. Which leads me to believe a huge portion of the market isn't really being accounted for on those other graphs due to this.