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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This

Palmer_v1

Member
I'm slowly thinking we should just lynch an inactive player. Whether they're mafia or not, it harms the game and makes it less fun if some don't participate (for whatever reasons).

You know I'm down for it. I'd look at the bottom 3-5 posters, and see if any have been useful.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
I'm slowly thinking we should just lynch an inactive player. Whether they're mafia or not, it harms the game and makes it less fun if some don't participate (for whatever reasons).

This should be the last resort, because it doesn't require a lot of discussion or coordination. Just pick a name from the bottom four and then go for it. Activity, in raw numeric terms, is quantifiable.

But there's a full day left for those players to say their piece and I intend to give it to them.
 

Hobohodo

Member
I'm participating. And if the last game is anything to go by, then Mafia are those who barely post and just go with the flow. I'm looking at those who barely post. Also, they'll be the ones that make it to the end-game. I can already see it.

Your posting but not really participating. At the start of the game you were slightly on topic with throwing out a a random vote but since then you've been coming into the thread and completely ignoring the topic at hand. If it was just to bring up another theory you had then fine but it's for you to waste time wanting to obliterate people or post fluff about avatars. If we took your posts that are actually relevant to anything then your just as low down on the list as the inactives. Essentially you may as well be barely posting.

I'm aware you have posted on topic since this but my point stands.

Haly does raise a good point on Ezekel mind. When he came in he summarised the thread often, was a right pain for us then!
 

roytheone

Member
That is true about ezekelrage. I hadn't thought about that.

Also, to answer Roy's question, it was because you wanted to do the missionary thingy. I think anyone that volunteered could be suspicious, or maybe not.

I understand that line of reasoning, but why pick haly out of the Seven people that volunteered? Was it really because of things that happened in an earlier game?

You know I'm down for it. I'd look at the bottom 3-5 posters, and see if any have been useful.

Don't get blind sighted by the post numbers like me. I missed seath that way, because his post number is pretty high, but at least 80 % of his posts are jokes that don't really help anyone. Take away the jokes, and the number of actually game relevant posts he made is quite low.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
Ezekiel was in the bottom 5 of my last check. If his posting habits are wildly different from before, it could be worth pursuing. I honestly didn't watch the AC thread much early on, though, so he hadn't stood out to me any more than the other inactive players.
 

roytheone

Member
Would everyone talking about eziekel posting differently please elaborate some, not all of us kept up with the AC game.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
Can anyone summarize the current votes? I'm on mobile and I'm mostly curious about anyone who has not yet voted at all.
 

roytheone

Member
But you would have to give me a bonus for firing me. :p



I picked Haly at random.

Fair enough, but now that everybody posted more, do you plan to change that vote? I have seen your earlier 'obliterate' switch, but with the way you post it is often hard to know if a post is serious or a joke.
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
I have to admit the differing play style would be a big red flag for me, I didn't keep up with previous games so I'll have to take yalls word for it. EzekielRage, what do you have to say for yourself?
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
If I wasn't prepared to pick up Malory's slack, I wouldn't still have a job at ISIS.

soakysquid (1)
Mazre
Arkos
cooljeanius

El Topo (0)
Haly

Haly (1)
Seath

Seath (2)
roytheone
Hobohodo

Enker (1)
cabbeh

EzekelRAGE (0)
cabbeh

roytheone (1)
Haly
El Topo

cabbeh (0)
Squidyj

Mazre (3)
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
Enker
cabbeh
TheGoddamn(Batman)

The Goddamn (0)
Palmer_v1

Razmos (1)
Squidyj

Visualante2 (1)
QuantumBro

GreatLord Tiger (4)
Burbeting
Hobohodo
Septimus Prime
Zubz

Burbeting (1)
Razmos

cooljeanius (1)
EzekelRAGE
cabbeh

Mike_Hawk689 (1)
Roytheone
cabbeh

Septimus Prime (1)
YesNOnoNOYes

Zubz (1)
Mazre

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
===BACKUP===
Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes
 

Kevyt

Member
Fair enough, but now that everybody posted more, do you plan to change that vote? I have seen your earlier 'obliterate' switch, but with the way you post it is often hard to know if a post is serious or a joke.

I'm always serious. I'm a very serious individual.

Now my vote doesn't count for now so I'll have to start using VOTE. I will do that. I also want to hear from Enke. I'll change my vote if he can make a compelling case that he is innocent.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
If I wasn't prepared to pick up Malory's slack, I wouldn't still have a job at ISIS.

soakysquid (1)
Mazre
Arkos
cooljeanius

El Topo (0)
Haly

Haly (1)
Seath

Seath (2)
roytheone
Hobohodo

Enker (1)
cabbeh

EzekelRAGE (0)
cabbeh

roytheone (1)
Haly
El Topo

cabbeh (0)
Squidyj

Mazre (3)
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
Enker
cabbeh
TheGoddamn(Batman)

The Goddamn (0)
Palmer_v1

Razmos (1)
Squidyj

Visualante2 (1)
QuantumBro

GreatLord Tiger (4)
Burbeting
Hobohodo
Septimus Prime
Zubz

Burbeting (1)
Razmos

cooljeanius (1)
EzekelRAGE
cabbeh

Mike_Hawk689 (1)
Roytheone
cabbeh

Septimus Prime (1)
YesNOnoNOYes

Zubz (1)
Mazre

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
===BACKUP===
Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes

I count 20 current votes. What two players haven't voted?
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
OT: is there a good "summary post" at the end of previous games that tells what everybody was and everything (so I can read the game with full knowledge)?
 

roytheone

Member
If I wasn't prepared to pick up Malory's slack, I wouldn't still have a job at ISIS.

soakysquid (1)
Mazre
Arkos
cooljeanius

El Topo (0)
Haly

Haly (1)
Seath

Seath (2)
roytheone
Hobohodo

Enker (1)
cabbeh

EzekelRAGE (0)
cabbeh

roytheone (1)
Haly
El Topo

cabbeh (0)
Squidyj

Mazre (3)
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
Enker
cabbeh
TheGoddamn(Batman)

The Goddamn (0)
Palmer_v1

Razmos (1)
Squidyj

Visualante2 (1)
QuantumBro

GreatLord Tiger (4)
Burbeting
Hobohodo
Septimus Prime
Zubz

Burbeting (1)
Razmos

cooljeanius (1)
EzekelRAGE
cabbeh

Mike_Hawk689 (1)
Roytheone
cabbeh

Septimus Prime (1)
YesNOnoNOYes

Zubz (1)
Mazre

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
===BACKUP===
Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes

My old vote on mark is still being counted here.
 

Palmer_v1

Member
OT: is there a good "summary post" at the end of previous games that tells what everybody was and everything (so I can read the game with full knowledge)?

Within the last 100 or so posts of each game, there should be the final recap from whoever ran the game. Crab in G1, Karkador and MattyG in AC/SW respectively.

Do not hold my Star Wars behavior against me. I did what I had to do!
 

squidyj

Member
Okay, I've seen other people being suspicious of Enker, too; your reasons for being suspicious of him seem to be the strongest out of those...

Really? The bolded seems kinda self-serving to me... So you have a greater value to the town just because you post a lot? Oh well, whatever; I've already un-voted for you, so there's no further need to convince me, but still... I think it'd be more helpful to the town if you kicked your post volume down a few notches...

it's not that I post a lot, it's that I post logic reads and information and explore the possibilities of the game. like i'm doing now, informing you about good logic of the game. I'm not the only one, I think haly is somewhat scummy but I'm not sure enough about that to get rid of him if I'm wrong, if I'm wrong he's working to help town and is a valuable asset.

Consider the logical extension of a player who posts nothing, that player is a non-entity in the game and does nothing for town. If for some reason we believed that we were picking with random chance (mafia / (town -1)) then there is no additional cost to removing this player. There is no insight they would have otherwise provided, nothing they would have noticed, no read they would have had that could have steered town towards victory. Mafia thrive in uncertainty and poor information and we want to avoid giving them that environment.

Also I will say that Ezekal's behaviour is distinctly different from his last game but that I'm not inclined to read it as mafia because, if anything, it's too obvious. Coming from a game where we lynched someone in part for behaving differently from a past game, where Ezekal had one of the highest post counts when he was alive and was hunting scum all game and was a reasonably good player, this massive schism between then and now.... well I just think that if he was mafia he would be aware of the effect of such a discrepancy and wouldn't allow it to jeapordize himself. I have to think that if he was mafia he would make more of an effort to emulate his past play and mask his mafianess .
 

Arkos

Nose how to spell and rede to
Within the last 100 or so posts of each game, there should be the final recap from whoever ran the game. Crab in G1, Karkador and MattyG in AC/SW respectively.

Do not hold my Star Wars behavior against me. I did what I had to do!

Don't think I've forgotten the main advice that I garnered from the main thread before this game. Something something lynch something something Palmer.
 
Here's what I have for votes

Burbeting - 1 - Razmos
cooljeanius - 1 - EzekelRAGE
Enker - 1 - cabbeh
GreatLord Tiger - 3 - Burbeting, Septimus Prime, Zubz
Mazre - 3 - Enker, Palmer_v1, TheGoddamn
Razmos - 1 - squidyj
roytheone - 1 - El Topo
Seath - 2 - Hobohodo, roytheone
Septimus Prime - 2 - GreatLord Tiger, YesNOnoNOYes
squidyj - 1 - Arkos
Visualante2 - 1 - Quantumbro
Zubz - 1 - Mazre

Players not voting: cooljeanius, Haly, Mike_Hawk689, Seath, Visualante2
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
You still got my vote on BLT in that list Haly.
So I do, sorry. And I'm not sure when Tiger turned into tomato either.

VOTE: EzekelRAGE

Just want him to talk and so I can get my vote up as well.

soakysquid (1)
Mazre
Arkos
cooljeanius

El Topo (0)
Haly

Haly (1)
Seath

Seath (2)
roytheone
Hobohodo

Enker (1)
cabbeh

EzekelRAGE (1)
cabbeh
Haly

roytheone (1)
Haly
El Topo

cabbeh (0)
Squidyj

Mazre (3)
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
Enker
cabbeh
TheGoddamn(Batman)

The Goddamn (0)
Palmer_v1

Razmos (1)
Squidyj

Visualante2 (1)
QuantumBro

GreatLord Tiger (3)
Burbeting
Hobohodo
Septimus Prime
Zubz

Burbeting (1)
Razmos

cooljeanius (1)
EzekelRAGE
cabbeh

Mike_Hawk689 (0)
Roytheone
cabbeh

Septimus Prime (1)
YesNOnoNOYes

Zubz (1)
Mazre

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
===BACKUP===
Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes

I count 20 current votes. What two players haven't voted?

cooljeanius has voted but doesn't have a current vote
visualante2 has not yet voted
BaconLord Tomaiger has not yet voted
Mike_Hawk689 has not yet voted
 
Alright, last day I can do this before its lynching time, so I'll change my vote.

VOTE:Enker
Okay, I'm tempted to switch my vote to Enker now, too, except...

If we're talking inactives, the poster I don't see anyone mention often now is EzekelRage. His posts don't have the smell of scum to them, but it's a very stark contrast from his posting habits before.
Ezekiel was in the bottom 5 of my last check. If his posting habits are wildly different from before, it could be worth pursuing.
I have to admit the differing play style would be a big red flag for me, I didn't keep up with previous games so I'll have to take yalls word for it. EzekielRage, what do you have to say for yourself?
These posts all have me suspicious of EzekelRAGE now, and when you combine this with the fact that he appears to have voted for me, as well... I'm almost tempted to just revenge-vote him, but I'll give him a chance to defend himself.

If I wasn't prepared to pick up Malory's slack, I wouldn't still have a job at ISIS.

soakysquid (1)
Mazre
Arkos
cooljeanius

El Topo (0)
Haly

Haly (1)
Seath

Seath (2)
roytheone
Hobohodo

Enker (1)
cabbeh

EzekelRAGE (0)
cabbeh

roytheone (1)
Haly
El Topo

cabbeh (0)
Squidyj

Mazre (3)
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
Enker
cabbeh
TheGoddamn(Batman)

The Goddamn (0)
Palmer_v1

Razmos (1)
Squidyj

Visualante2 (1)
QuantumBro

GreatLord Tiger (4)
Burbeting
Hobohodo
Septimus Prime
Zubz

Burbeting (1)
Razmos

cooljeanius (1)
EzekelRAGE
cabbeh

Mike_Hawk689 (1)
Roytheone
cabbeh

Septimus Prime (1)
YesNOnoNOYes

Zubz (1)
Mazre

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
===BACKUP===
Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes
(thanks for posting this, btw; I was about to ask for it...)

I count 20 current votes. What two players haven't voted?
I had voted, but I haven't made a new vote yet since un-voting...
 

squidyj

Member
I'm also not convinced about the guilt of GreatLord Tiger. At the start of the day I read him as scummy but now he has 4 votes against him, well above other players, it's possible he just emanated scum to everyone but other players I've read as scum have fared much better overall. To compound that the people voting against him aren't people I necessarily like, hobohodo is sort of neutral overall and the rest actually lean slightly scum for me with septimus being slightly more than slightly.

I also want to state for the record, in case I die that Cabbeh worries me insofar as I know I'm town and he's been complimentary towards me for the most part and has rushed to my defense. I think defending other players can be a town behaviour if you are offering up good logic and I think it's rare that you would see mafia defending mafia heavily. I also think that Cabbeh might be a mafia thinking he can pocket me.
 
Maybe he was just busy, though? I dunno, I can see someone going 24 hours without a substantial post. Maybe not 24 hours of radio silence, but maybe everything they wanted to say was already covered by someone else?
Been watching TI5 a lot and catching up on things around the house. I will read up tonight and make a substantial post.
 

Mazre

Member
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YOU CAME TO THE WRONG NEIGHBORHOOD!

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Unrelated, anyone have an epi pen?
 
Consider the logical extension of a player who posts nothing, that player is a non-entity in the game and does nothing for town. If for some reason we believed that we were picking with random chance (mafia / (town -1)) then there is no additional cost to removing this player. There is no insight they would have otherwise provided, nothing they would have noticed, no read they would have had that could have steered town towards victory.
True, while an inactive player might not be actively helping the town by providing insight, that player also can't be actively harming the town, either, by spreading misinformation and planting false leads and convincing the town to vote against their interests. I guess it's a "glass half-full or half-empty" thing...
 

squidyj

Member
Oh I almost forgot, arkos, is it possible he is some sort of neutral role that wants me angry with him or get himself read as scum or something? I find it difficult to believe that someone could expect the list of arguments he had against me to be effective. Half of it was jokes and much earlier in the day phase it seems like he was trying to antagonize me.
 

Burbeting

Banned
Sorry in advance for this long-ass post. Also this was written slowly in parts, so it might have some sloppy writing in there etc.

I’m trying to compose my thoughts about all players, so I read through all of the posts everyone made, and tried to have at least something to say about everyone. Since there are lot of players though, I’m trying to keep these thoughts on the short-side.

TheGoddamn– Not lot of posts for now at all. It’s kind of weird he said that ”all of my posts were directly quoted!” when at that point most of his posts were made before the game even had started properly. The few posts he have made after game started have been pretty full of his own thoughts and ideas, and not just repeating others, which is pro-town behaviour for me. Still, I do wish that he would post more in the future, since inactivity (Even if for valid reasons) is not good for town.

roytheone – I feel that he was more pro-town with his actions in the beginning although some people said it was suspectful, atlhough his system wasn’t really that great in the beginning. Has made contibutions towards getting a real system to work with volunteers, while I feel that KGB might want to try to keep the system as it was in the beginning, since it’s more beneficial to them. That said, outside of talking about volunteers, roy hasn’t contributed that much to the table in my eyes for now.

Arkos – Early volunteer. Even though squidyj’s joke was awful, the thing behind it is true. Arkos has been getting less attention of the early volunteers than others have. Also had the mistake that volunteers can’t be lynched, although I think it was stated pretty clearly in OP that it was not the case. Voted squidyj later, on points that I disagree with somewhat. Broken tags can happen to everyone, and I think that squidyj’s idea is more pro-town than pro-mafia, really. In general Arkos gives me the vibes of a new player though, but I can’t put all of my problems with that behind just that.

cooljeanius – Some of posts are fillery, and the vote on squidjy was pretty weird since jeanius basically said ”yeah I have reasons but felt like I didn’t need to write them here”. That’s either bit lazy or a excuse to not write any reasons at all. Might lean on former for now though. Also quickly just said about cabbeh’s reasons to suspect Enker with ”yeah that’s strong reason”. Keeping an eye for sure.

Visualante2 – I agree with QuantumBro that lot of Visuals posts are mostly filler-ish and fluff. I can sympathise with wanting to know the role-list, since almost all games I have played before had those too, so I can see where he is coming from. But yeah, I need you to post more stuff too, like some of the others in this list too.

Septimus Prime – Had a mistake that volunteers affect lynches, which is again, kind of weird, since it was clearly stated in opening post. Otherwise not much to say about him for now (tbh he is the last one I searched for this list, and my brains are going off at this point).

Burbeting – Me.

GreatLord Tiger – Talked about him earlier, early volunteer, misunderstanding some basic rules, three-seperate posts long quite quick defense to Palmer’s accusations and now not posting at all even though he has been voted quite a lot… pretty suspectful actions. I think I feel fine with keeping my vote on him at least for now.

cabbeh – Lots of posts in the thread, most of them short, but also at least somewhat-contributive to the thread. He is bit like a soap, I can’t get a good grasp on what to think about him, although for now I would think he is town.

Mike_Hawk689 – He hasn’t talked much at all, really. Most of his posts have been about accusing the early-volunteers, but not much else. Also, like Roy said, he was seemingly wanting to target more experienced players, which seems bit weird since we don’t have that much info about anyone (although to be fair I too have suspicions towards Palmer for instance, who is experienced and active player). But yeah, suspectful behaviour, at least come and contribute more to the game.

Enker – Same as TheGoddamn, not a lot of posts. Compared to TheGoddamn though, lot of Enker’s posts are in the short-side, and don’t really have that much information in them, except for one longer post for now. Also kind of weird that he misunderstood how missions worked, I though it was really clear that volunteering wouldn’t stop them from being lynched in the day. He did say afterwards that he realised that right after posting, but still, kinda eh? Other weird thing is the idea that all volunteers could be KGB, seems kind of far-fetched, and feels like he is trying to get people to vote all day 1 volunteers off. Lot of people want Enker dead this day, and I can see where they are coming from, alright.

El Topo – Some filler, otherwise contibutive posts. Nothing else really to say about him for now.

Razmos – Almost all of his posts are really short, almost like if he doesn’t have much to say, really. He proposed the use of RNG for the choosing of volunteers, which I dislike, since it’s against the nature of mafia-game, and it gives KGB a chance to enter the missions. His reaction to squiddyj’s serious accusations kind of confuse me too. I’m not really sure if the reaction is natural annoyance towards the accusations, or martyrism, which is anti-town behaviour to me. Kinda suspectful.

EzekelRAGE – All of his posts are really short except for first post, like one or two sentences, and there aren’t lot of them. I need you to post more of your thoughts too.

YesOrNoYes – Has posted somewhat a lot, but there is some fluffy filler in-between. Kinda weird that he volunteered at his first post, yet voted Mazre for… volunteering faster than Palmer (and saying there’s 4 KGB’s). Contradictory a bit? Some posts have been contibutive, like the counting of number of mafia and neutrals in SW game, that can work as an reference later. Bit hard to get a grasp on her.

Zubz – Has posted somewhat lot, but lot of his posts are just fluff and filler. For instance, five out of his last six posts have been nothing but fluff and fillery-remarks. Still, he does have some contibutive posts in there too, but there’s lot of filler in there too, which is kind of interesting. Mazre said that Zubz is possibly mafia because he had disinterest towards missions, which I disagree with at least to some degree.

Quantumbro – One of those people I don’t really have any opinion on for now. Most posts pretty contributive. Mostly agree on what he said about Visualante2. Have to look at Quantums posts in proper detail later on.

Palmer_v1 – Early volunteer. I’m still standing behind with thinking that Palmer has acted pretty defensively at accusations earlier, although he did say it was because he was posting in mobile. One other thing I noticed when re-reading his posts was that he has multiple times mentioned aloud that he is a normal towner, not a townsfolk with special power. If Palmer was in mafia, he could say that now in order to justify why Mafia haven’t killed him later during any night, if he is now so sure that he might get killed during the night, if he isn’t in a mission. That’s… really suspectful to my eyes.

Seath – Yeah, other people have a real point with Seath. Lot of his posts are just all bunch of nothing really, most of them are pretty fillery and nothing else. Even after he was callet out for this, he just made a mallory-impression and when called out of THAT, he just posted a gif. And then he changed vote to Enker, almost like to shift the eyes looking at him towards to Enker quickly.

Hobodobo – Lot of short-ish, contibutive posts. The idea about 24-hour delay was not that great though for me, but I wouldn’t mark that as anti-town behaviour for now. Nothing else to say, really.

Mazre – Early volunteer. Other posts have been pretty short, although some of them have been contibutive, although I do disagree to some point that people who are not interested in the missions from the get-go are suspicious. Something bugs me though, it feels almost like Mazre is almost indifferent to the votes he has received, mostly judging by the posts he made answering to posts that had voted him.”Votes are pretty elastic, so no harm doing so early—”. Almost like he is sure the votes won’t have any bigger affect? Weird.

Haly – Has made contibutive posts in the thread. Dismissing the missions as distraction is really strange though, I think that’s anti-town thing to say. Other than that, I feel about him bit like cabbeh, hard to get a grasp on. Keeping an eye on him.

squidyj – Has made lots and lots of posts to the game. Lot of it is pretty contibuting to the game although I didn’t do his ”hot list” since I have really no experience about earlier games or players here, so it would have been pretty much putting all names to RNG machine on my part. In general I feel bit divisive with him, since I do agree with lot of his posts (like stuff he wrote to Haly in page 10), but at the same time I don’t really agree with his reasoning behind voting Razmos off, since it feels bit too forced, and squidyj keeps namedropping Razmos in bit of a arrogant manner for some reason.


TL;DR – Right now I most suspecting about GreatLord Tiger, Palmer, Enker, Seath and some of the guys who haven’t posted much at all. Also looking closely at few others, like squidyj, Mazre and Razmos.
 

roytheone

Member
Alright, going to bed now, but could some of the old AC players elaborate some more on the whole ezekel business for those like me that didn't follow the AC game? It does sound fishy, but i will withhold judgement until I know more.
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
Okay, I'm not a moderator so I don't get to make rules for this but:

1) Break the highlight tags in your post so searches don't pick it up. This is how votes are counted (manually, by doing a search for highlight), and this is why Ouro doesn't want us using this tag for other things aside from voting.

2) Don't quote an entire long ass post if you don't need all the information there to be repeated. Just chop off everything after the first sentence because otherwise it gets to be a nightmare to scroll through.

This is just for courtesy's sake and to make going over earlier stuff easier. Trust me, it's going to help once we need to sift through thousands of posts.

GreatLord Tiger voted for Septimus Prime a while back.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174121617&postcount=627
Noted. I was using Ouro's vote count as a base and working forward from there.

Good job, Malory. I know I can count on you to keep America safe from terrorists.

You still got my vote on BLT in that list Haly.
So I do, sorry. And I'm not sure when Tiger turned into tomato either.

VOTE: EzekelRAGE

Just want him to talk and so I can get my vote up as well.

soakysquid (1)
Mazre
Arkos
cooljeanius

El Topo (0)
Haly

Haly (1)
Seath

Seath (2)
roytheone
Hobohodo

Enker (1)
cabbeh

EzekelRAGE (1)
cabbeh
Haly

roytheone (1)
Haly
El Topo

cabbeh (0)
Squidyj

Mazre (3)
Palmer_v1
YesNOnoNOYes
Enker
cabbeh
TheGoddamn(Batman)

The Goddamn (0)
Palmer_v1

Razmos (1)
Squidyj

Visualante2 (1)
QuantumBro

GreatLord Tiger (3)
Burbeting
Hobohodo
Septimus Prime
Zubz

Burbeting (1)
Razmos

cooljeanius (1)
EzekelRAGE
cabbeh

Mike_Hawk689 (0)
Roytheone
cabbeh

Septimus Prime (2)
GreatLord Tiger
YesNOnoNOYes

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Mazre

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
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Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes

Alright, going to bed now, but could some of the old AC players elaborate some more on the whole ezekel business for those like me that didn't follow the AC game? It does sound fishy, but i will withhold judgement until I know more.

He used to do this vote tracking thing very actively, as well as summarize the events of previous days so nothing slipped our minds. He was just as active as squidy is now, and maintained that activity for much longer since he subbed in first.

Granted, I agree with squidy in that it's a little too obvious of a tell for a Mafia to make. I'm not say he's Mafia, but I want him to check in. I won't begrudge him the chance to employ a different town strategy. Even a mild excuse will do since it's the same for all the inactive players. But not even mentioning scheduling or RL commitments when he seemed to gun-ho about the Archer theme and was so active last time around feels uncomfortable.
 

squidyj

Member
hey burbeting have you heard about how I want to lynch Razmos? :p

Actually my hot pick was literally pulled from a random number generator and I was expecting other players to do pretty much the same, I guess I could have explained it a little bit better.

but seriously I feel like we haven't really interacted much at all and I want to ask you about your voting on GreatLord, You're up there with septimus, zubz, and hobohodo. I've read your thoughts on everybody and I'm wondering more specifically what do you think about their interactions with GreatLord and how do you feel about this group of players voting the same person?
 

roytheone

Member
Wow, burbetting, thanks for that amazing post. I don't agree with all your points, but it was a great way to get a summary of everyone's behavior until now. Great work!
 

Burbeting

Banned
but seriously I feel like we haven't really interacted much at all and I want to ask you about your voting on GreatLord, You're up there with septimus, zubz, and hobohodo. I've read your thoughts on everybody and I'm wondering more specifically what do you think about their interactions with GreatLord and how do you feel about this group of players voting the same person?

I'll answer that tomorrow, becausw it's 1.30am here now, and I'm just about to hit the bed :). Just posted this to note that I saw this post, so you don't need to wonder if I disappeared somewhere.

And alright if it actually was just rng, that part somehow passed me completely.
 

squidyj

Member
And while I'm talking about Razmos, hey Razmos I would very much like to hear everything you have to say about Arkos and Septimus in particular.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
All right; the wife is driving now. Thanks for getting the votes counted, I'll verify.

Wait, did I forget to put GLT's vote on there? I have it on my sheet...
 
I'm also not convinced about the guilt of GreatLord Tiger. At the start of the day I read him as scummy but now he has 4 votes against him, well above other players, it's possible he just emanated scum to everyone but other players I've read as scum have fared much better overall. To compound that the people voting against him aren't people I necessarily like, hobohodo is sort of neutral overall and the rest actually lean slightly scum for me with septimus being slightly more than slightly.

I also want to state for the record, in case I die that Cabbeh worries me insofar as I know I'm town and he's been complimentary towards me for the most part and has rushed to my defense. I think defending other players can be a town behaviour if you are offering up good logic and I think it's rare that you would see mafia defending mafia heavily. I also think that Cabbeh might be a mafia thinking he can pocket me.
My vote toward GLT is strictly retaliatory. I don't have a good sense of who is what yet, but since he voted for me, I'd rather he end up getting got rather than me, so I voted back to tie up the numbers.

Septimus Prime – Had a mistake that volunteers affect lynches, which is again, kind of weird, since it was clearly stated in opening post. Otherwise not much to say about him for now (tbh he is the last one I searched for this list, and my brains are going off at this point).
This is what I misinterpreted:

-2. In addition to your standard voting, each player may volunteer to go out on a mission. The first (up to) 4 players to do so will be selected. During each night, unless otherwise specified, players who go out on a mission may only target each other; same rules apply to those left behind. A special night-chat will be provided for all players that go out on a mission. This night-chat will only last for that one night - however those who had access will continue to have access after night has ended (read-only).
I somehow mixed that up and only caught the part that Town will not be able to vote to lynch anyone on the mission, which is still true.

However, now that I've reread this it makes a lot of sense to still have three KGB members volunteer and then lynch the fourth, Agency member on the mission while also reducing the number of KGB in play for the rest of the Agency to lynch, which should imply that people volunteering early could very well be KGB members!
 

Haly

One day I realized that sadness is just another word for not enough coffee.
They come back from those missions, Septimus. This mission/non-mission divison lasts for the night. In no way are they removing people from being lynched.

You're still misunderstanding how it works I think.
 
Arkos – Early volunteer. Even though squidyj’s joke was awful, the thing behind it is true. Arkos has been getting less attention of the early volunteers than others have. Also had the mistake that volunteers can’t be lynched, although I think it was stated pretty clearly in OP that it was not the case. Voted squidyj later, on points that I disagree with somewhat. Broken tags can happen to everyone, and I think that squidyj’s idea is more pro-town than pro-mafia, really. In general Arkos gives me the vibes of a new player though, but I can’t put all of my problems with that behind just that.
Broken tags shouldn't happen if you're regularly using the "Preview Post" button before submitting.

cooljeanius – Some of posts are fillery, and the vote on squidjy was pretty weird since jeanius basically said ”yeah I have reasons but felt like I didn’t need to write them here”. That’s either bit lazy or a excuse to not write any reasons at all. Might lean on former for now though. Also quickly just said about cabbeh’s reasons to suspect Enker with ”yeah that’s strong reason”. Keeping an eye for sure.
I did too say what my reasons were for voting for squidyj at first; it was mostly just because he was posting a lot and I was suspicious that he was trying to misdirect people. But that's a moot point now, seeing as I rescinded my vote for him. And as far as agreeing with cabbeh about Enker, I didn't really have much to add beyond that, so I felt it would be better to remain concise while still acknowledging his response to me. Saying much more than that would just be adding noise, but saying anything less would make it look like I was asking a question that I didn't care about the answer to.

Burbeting – Me.
What, you're not going to self-evaluate your own posting during this game? Come on now! :p

Enker – Same as TheGoddamn, not a lot of posts. Compared to TheGoddamn though, lot of Enker’s posts are in the short-side, and don’t really have that much information in them, except for one longer post for now. Also kind of weird that he misunderstood how missions worked, I though it was really clear that volunteering wouldn’t stop them from being lynched in the day. He did say afterwards that he realised that right after posting, but still, kinda eh? Other weird thing is the idea that all volunteers could be KGB, seems kind of far-fetched, and feels like he is trying to get people to vote all day 1 volunteers off. Lot of people want Enker dead this day, and I can see where they are coming from, alright.
To be clear, I haven't actually said that I want him dead yet, just that, like you, I can see where the people who do want him dead are coming from.
 

Ourobolus

Banned
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cooljeanius

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cabbeh
Haly

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Haly
El Topo

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Squidyj

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Palmer_v1
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Burbeting
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Roytheone
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Haly

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Mazre

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QuantumBro

Seath (2)
Hobohodo
roytheone

Septimus Prime (2)
GreatLord Tiger
YesNOnoNOYes

Enker (1)
cabbeh

VOLUNTEERS
Mazre
Palmer_v1
Arkos
GreatLord Tiger
===BACKUP===
Haly
Squidyj
El Topo
YesNOnoNOYes


Night 1 Starts at:
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They come back from those missions, Septimus. This mission/non-mission divison lasts for the night. In no way are they removing people from being lynched.

You're still misunderstanding how it works I think.
I might be. Wouldn't they still be immune from Town lynching for one cycle, though, even though they can lynch each other?
 

Ourobolus

Banned
I might be. Wouldn't they still be immune from Town lynching for one cycle, though, even though they can lynch each other?
THAT NIGHT, they will not be able to be targeted by people left behind, and vice versa. The next day phase, they will be back and the cycle starts again.
 
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