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Nintendo's new platform codename: "Project NX"

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E-phonk

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So you don't. Good to hear.

(You could say that you think nintendo should focus on getting back western third parties by building a traditional console, and could sell 30-50m if it would reach the audience that is currently on PS4/Xone.
I wouldn't agree that strategically this is what nintendo should do to find growth again, but at least you would have made a reasonable stance and a certain vision on the matter that can be argued.)
 

dity

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amiibos are the least thing to be worried about, huge success for Nintendo so they can't drop them and it's the easiest thing to support. They will probably even release amiibos 2.0 in the future that can hold more data (cause now they are limited to one game at a time) but even then I don't think they'd drop support for the originals
No no, Miis. The avatar system that got big on the Wii and now just kinda sits around in the background on the Wii U and 3DS.

I expect Amiibos to last a very long time.
 

Neoxon

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No no, Miis. The avatar system that got big on the Wii and now just kinda sits around in the background on the Wii U and 3DS.

I expect Amiibos to last a very long time.
The Miis have transcended the Wii branding, plus they were playable in Smash. The Miis will be fine, same for Miiverse.
 

E-phonk

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No no, Miis. The avatar system that got big on the Wii and now just kinda sits around in the background on the Wii U and 3DS.
It's highly likely Miis will stay.
They were included in a few of Nintendo's biggest sellers this gen: Smash Bros, Mario kart, Tomodachi, Nintendo Land, NSMBU ... I also expect Miiverse to stay and get even more functionality. At the moment there is nothing that shows nintendo would drop them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_U_games_using_Miis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_3DS_games_using_Miis
 
Because affordability plays a role with consumers. I'm not saying it's the best route, but for Nintendo it may be at this point.

In this month's EDGE magazine, there is a letter from a reader moaning about how Nintendo used to release powerful hardware and that if they are to get back 3rd party support and win consumers over, they should revert to that strategy.

EDGE's response was telling:

EDGE said:
At some point, Nintendo weighed up hardware costs against third-party support and went with the former, banking on innovations to carry it to victory. It worked with the Wii but not with the Wii U (whose struggle with external support is about much more than raw power). As for the future, the forthcoming NX will see Nintendo maintaining it's strategy, so unless you're in the market for a modestly specced devise, it may be time to just let it go.
 

Taker666

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I fail to see what's the issue with Miis.
Is it because they made their beginning on the Wii or what?

I think the biggest issue with Mii's this time around was thanks to the initial Wii U reveal, where they basically looked exactly as they did on the Wii (to the point that people weren't even sure it was a new console being shown). Not a good idea for them to be a focus of any new software reveal next time around

I think having Mii's is fine as long as they don't focus on them heavily and just use them as an ID/as an extra for games. If they are a major software focus (ala Wii Sports, Wii Party etc) ...then they need a major upgrade.
 

GamerJM

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Honestly, I think there's a good chance Miis will go away, especially if Nintendo wants to dissociate themselves from the Wii branding entirely. Miis being in Smash doesn't mean much, characters have been removed from game to game.

Though they might not be, as they are on the 3DS. But I think it's certainly possible if Nintendo wants to completely reboot their branding, in a similar fashion to how it felt like they did when the DS Lite/Wii launched in 2006.
 

Neoxon

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Honestly, I think there's a good chance Miis will go away, especially if Nintendo wants to dissociate themselves from the Wii branding entirely. Miis being in Smash doesn't mean much, characters have been removed from game to game.
But the Miis were used on the 3DS, that alone proved that the Miis have moved beyond the Wii branding.
 
Ninty will be stupid if they are going to release a home console under the Xbox One power wise.

I don't see how you guys don't see this or what they should have done is just wing it with the Wii U instead rushing out a new home console early.

I mean why do that? That's suicide but hey that's their funeral.
The only benefit of having above X1 power would be multiplats. But unless the system is more powerful than the Ps4 and they push devs to make sure performance is better, I don't see those games selling better there. If they can undercut on price and deliver a nice exclusive library that could likely sustain them. Make an expensive system that fails to take off and they are kind of boned not being able to lower the price.
It's an unfortunate situation but they can't force their way in like MS can
 

Hubble

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If Nintendo does not offer modern hardware than it is their end. They will lose the core market again. The Wii was lightning in a bottle and consumers learned from.
 

thefro

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In this month's EDGE magazine, there is a letter from a reader moaning about how Nintendo used to release powerful hardware and that if they are to get back 3rd party support and win consumers over, they should revert to that strategy.

EDGE's response was telling:

All that means is that they're not going to release a $600 console that's a half-generation leap above the PS4/XB1. Since both those consoles are relatively modest tech-wise is should be possible for Nintendo to at least keep up with them and get 3rd party ports.

The only benefit of having above X1 power would be multiplats. But unless the system is more powerful than the Ps4 and they push devs to make sure performance is better, I don't see those games selling better there. If they can undercut on price and deliver a nice exclusive library that could likely sustain them. Make an expensive system that fails to take off and they are kind of boned not being able to lower the price.
It's an unfortunate situation but they can't force their way in like MS can

They can easily crank out a "Vita TV" version of the portable console if they want to have a cheap device. My guess is we'll see that in the Chinese market, at the very least.
 

dity

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The Miis have transcended the Wii branding, plus they were playable in Smash. The Miis will be fine, same for Miiverse.

Well, that's why I brought them up as being maybe pushed aside as legacy software. Wii U mode on the NX might lock off that experience to the Wii U/Wii while the NX focuses on something new. Same goes for the NX Portable (if that's even still a thing that's a rumour). I was thinking maybe Miis might go the route of Xbox Avatars on the One. They're still there, but you don't really need to use one.
 

Rodin

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I think the NX console will more powerful than the XB1 and PS4. It would be suicide if it isn't.

It won't be more powerful than possibly either of them and it definitely won't be suicide. Want to see a suicide? Hope that Nintendo release a home console more powerful than PS4 at 450-500$.

All that means is that they're not going to release a $600 console that's a half-generation leap above the PS4/XB1. Since both those consoles are relatively modest tech-wise is should be possible for Nintendo to at least keep up with them and get 3rd party ports.
No that means edge think they'll release another Wii/Wii U. Rest assured that in their minds PS4/X1 are super-high tech, just like in their minds PS360 were "next gen" and high tech until like 2010-11. Gaming journalists rarely are tech savvy, even compared to the average forum user.

This obviously doesn't mean they're necessarily wrong - like i said multiple times i believe NX will be substantially less powerful than Xbox One - but they are just making a somewhat educated guess based on what has been Nintendo's strategy until now. It's not like they know what NX will be.
 

dity

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It's been said before in this thread, but GAF insiders have acknowledged that both exist, that the screen of the portable is between 480 & 720p and the console being more powerful than WiiU.

Well that's right neato.

I'm still pretty open to the idea of the NX being both a home console and a portable as some rumours have said over the months. It'd be cool if it was Asus Padfone style. Take the GamePad to the next level, y'know? Just imagine a handheld instead of a phone.

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Rodin

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Well that's right neato.

I'm still pretty open to the idea of the NX being both a home console and a portable as some rumours have said over the months. It'd be cool if it was Asus Padfone style. Take the GamePad to the next level, y'know? Just imagine a handheld instead of a phone.

Rumors said that, and Iwata said the opposite. Guess who's more likely to be right about it? ;)

It's very possible though that the handheld will be used as a controller option for the home.
 

Neoxon

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Well that's right neato.

I'm still pretty open to the idea of the NX being both a home console and a portable as some rumours have said over the months. It'd be cool if it was Asus Padfone style. Take the GamePad to the next level, y'know? Just imagine a handheld instead of a phone.
The hybrid that you have in the picture is specifically what Iwata ruled out. However, when we talk about a console & a handheld, we're talking about two separate systems under one platform.
 

dity

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It just feels like everything being in the one package seems like the next evolution, especially with things like the GamePad hanging around now. Otherwise if we're solely talking unified platform it's like Nintendo's playing catch-up to PSN and XBL almost a decade later. Weird.

Wait, that's what Nintendo means by "one platform" right? Unified store and services? Or is it more like what Microsoft is doing with Windows 10 on mobiles, PC, tablet, and Xbox One?
 

Rodin

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It just feels like everything being in the one package seems like the next evolution, especially with things like the GamePad hanging around now. Otherwise if we're solely talking unified platform it's like Nintendo's playing catch-up to PSN and XBL almost a decade later. Weird.

Wait, that's what Nintendo means by "one platform" right? Unified store and services? Or is it more like what Microsoft is doing with Windows 10 on mobiles, PC, tablet, and Xbox One?

The latter. Think W10 or iOS.
 

Shikamaru Ninja

任天堂 の 忍者
But the Miis were used on the 3DS, that alone proved that the Miis have moved beyond the Wii branding.

Miis are not going anywhere especially with the Tomodachi Life series sticking around for another episode. I would also imagine Nintendo is not giving up on the "Mii" Sports branding just yet.
 

Neoxon

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It just feels like everything being in the one package seems like the next evolution, especially with things like the GamePad hanging around now. Otherwise if we're solely talking unified platform it's like Nintendo's playing catch-up to PSN and XBL almost a decade later. Weird.

Wait, that's what Nintendo means by "one platform" right? Unified store and services? Or is it more like what Microsoft is doing with Windows 10 on mobiles, PC, tablet, and Xbox One?
The latter. Basically it'd be all of Nintendo's consoles & handhelds sharing an architecture, an OS, & most of the same games that scale based on what is being used to play the game in question. As stated before, Iwata explicitly ruled out the possibility of a hybrid where everything is done on one machine (in the way that you described it).
 

dity

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The latter.

So they'll play the same games maybe? That'd be cool. But I'd fear for Nintendo completely dropping off the home console market after the state of the Wii U compared to the 3DS.

Also, I know what Iwata said is what Iwata said, but he's sadly not around anymore. I wonder how that decision will stick between this year and when the NX releases
 

Neoxon

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So they'll play the same games maybe? That'd be cool. But I'd fear for Nintendo completely dropping off the home console market after the state of the Wii U compared to the 3DS.
I wouldn't, Nintendo specifically listed a new console & a new handheld at one of their investors' briefings. I doubt that one console failure will make Nintendo leave the home console game. At worst, the NX Console will piggy-back off of the NX Handheld as far as Nintendo's first party efforts go.
 

sörine

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Iwata also referred to the console and handheld as brother systems. And he also implied we may see more variant devices than just those two.

Basically Nintendo wants everyone buying more hardware, not less. A hyrbid sort of naturally works against that.
 

dity

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I wouldn't, Nintendo specifically listed a new console & a new handheld at one of their investors' briefings. I doubt that one console failure will make Nintendo leave the home console game. At worst, the NX Console will piggy-back off of the NX Handheld as far as Nintendo's first party efforts go.

I consider "portable" and "home console" to be separate things. It just feels like Nintendo could end up going portable-only the generation after next if they're not able to build their home console customer-base up again.
 
It just feels like everything being in the one package seems like the next evolution,

He didn't rule out hybrids altogether, sounded like they would be open to that idea in the long run if that's what the market wanted but are currently pushing for multiple devices.
Can imagine if their console doesn't take off again they could always add tv out to their handheld revision.
 

sörine

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I consider "portable" and "home console" to be separate things. It just feels like Nintendo could end up going portable-only the generation after next if they're not able to build their home console customer-base up again.
I do see NX as a possible graceful exit from home consoles if Nintendo fails to gain any traction there. But it also gives them a lot of flexibility in selecting future devices, they might end up not pursuing traditional consoles but that doesn't necessarily mean they end up being handheld only either. They may get out of both and push other new devices too even.
 

Neoxon

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I consider "portable" and "home console" to be separate things. It just feels like Nintendo could end up going portable-only the generation after next if they're not able to build their home console customer-base up again.
Well now they'll just be two form factors under a larger Nintendo platform. Put it this way, Nintendo can't support two separate platforms without software droughts, & they have a third platform on the way. On top of that, handhelds excel in Japan while the decreasing handheld sales (which are worldwide) is even worse in the West. Rather than having to sacrifice one or the other, Nintendo is (in theory) combining both into a single platform with multiple form factors. I've given this speech about a million times, so my apologies if you've read this in the past.
 

Shikamaru Ninja

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sörine;180160392 said:
I do see NX as a possible graceful exit from home consoles if Nintendo fails to gain any traction there. But it also gives them a lot of flexibility in selecting future devices, they might end up not pursuing traditional consoles but that doesn't necessarily mean they end up being handheld only either. They may get out of both and push other new devices too even.

In the age where making a set-top box is so easy that every one is doing it, exiting the console market seems left field. What is likely happening is the end of an exclusive console market - in favor of bigger more versatile platform similar to iOS and Android where you can play games on Apple TV / Android Box or a large tablet or your phone.
 

sörine

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In the age where making a set-top box is so easy that every one is doing it, exiting the console market seems left field. What is likely happening is the end of an exclusive console market - in favor of bigger more versatile platform similar to iOS and Android where you can play games on Apple TV / Android Box or a large tablet or your phone.
Yes, this is sort of more what I'm expecting in the near term. Basically a console version of the portable hardware but scaled to play the same games at 1080p rather than 540p or whatever the handheld screen ends up being. I also expect we'll see more frequent hardware iteration rather than the usual 5 year console model, which was also something I feel Iwata leaned into with his comments on generational retention.

I'm interested to see what other NX devices we might see emerge though. Maybe the return of Game & Watch but as an actual watch that runs low end games, your NES/GB VC or various touch apps? Will we see different handhelds or consoles with different specced featuresets and pricepoints (3D display, DVD/Bluray, backwards compatibility, etc)? I'm really interested to see the other end of what comes out of NX freeing up Nintendo's engineering group to think outside the console/handheld binary.
 

dity

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Well now they'll just be two form factors under a larger Nintendo platform. Put it this way, Nintendo can't support two separate platforms without software droughts, & they have a third platform on the way. On top of that, handhelds excel in Japan while the decreasing handheld sales (which are worldwide) is even worse in the West. Rather than having to sacrifice one or the other, Nintendo is (in theory) combining both into a single platform with multiple form factors. I've given this speech about a million times, so my apologies if you've read this in the past.
That makes sense, at least it means if one's not doing well they can just remove one form factor from the market but be sure no games are going down the drain?
 

E-phonk

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Sooooooo.... when can we expect the reveal? Which month makes sense?

somewhere between february - june 2016.
Big chances for reveals are right before shareholder meeting Q4 '15 or right before E3.

GDC is also a time where we will get first rumours, so we should learn more by then, and it's right before the shareholder meeting (mid march)
 
somewhere between february - june 2016.
Big chances for reveals are right before shareholder meeting Q4 '15 or right before E3.

GDC is also a time where we will get first rumours, so we should learn more by then, and it's right before the shareholder meeting (mid march)

It's still so long until then!
 

TheJoRu

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Sooooooo.... when can we expect the reveal? Which month makes sense?

My unsubstantiated guess is that we won't hear any concrete information from Nintendo before E3, but I think you'll be able to get a slight feel for where it's headed through their mobile games, membership service and perhaps some kinds of rebranding efforts (like you've seen at American retail stores already) across their various media platforms.

Also, leaks. And fake leaks.
 

sörine

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I still feel like not having a hybrid will be a mistake, plus it's such an obvious, natural evolution of the Wii U.
Why would they though when they could encourage you to buy two devices instead? Once you're in the ecosystem you're more likely to buy another piece of hardware for a different purpose if it plays all your games/apps.

A hyrbid device raises costs/barriers and adds functionality that everyone might not want.
 

Mithos

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I still feel like not having a hybrid will be a mistake, plus it's such an obvious, natural evolution of the Wii U.

If they can put an "Xbox One" or very close in a portable and have 10hrs gametime on the battery, and sell it for €250 tops, go for hybrid I say.
If NOT, then portable and console as separate hardware.
 

Neoxon

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Sooooooo.... when can we expect the reveal? Which month makes sense?
I want to say Spring 2016, but my gut says E3.

I still feel like not having a hybrid will be a mistake, plus it's such an obvious, natural evolution of the Wii U.
If they can put an "Xbox One" or very close in a portable and have 10hrs gametime on the battery, and sell it for €250 tops, go for hybrid I say.
If NOT, then portable and console as separate hardware.
In all honesty, a hybrid would do more harm to Nintendo than good. I say this because Nintendo would be cutting off a good chunk of their potential profits with such a hybrid. Plus it's just not feasible right now in terms of battery life & power. I don't blame Iwata for avoiding the idea altogether.
 

E-phonk

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When is Nintendo's next shareholders/whatever meeting? They may want to say something by then maybe?

28th of october they have their next financial briefing (Second Quarter Earnings Release [Scheduled]).

The big yearly briefing is in may, with shareholder Q&A in June.
 

StevieP

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If they can put an "Xbox One" or very close in a portable and have 10hrs gametime on the battery, and sell it for €250 tops, go for hybrid I say.
If NOT, then portable and console as separate hardware.

It's not possible to put a 100+w chip in a portable form factor. And it will cost the same (or more) as the Xbox one to even attempt it.

This is similar to comments on the previous page ("they should put out a console around or better than ps4 but for cheaper"). This mythical device doesn't or can't exist. To put out a ps4-alike will cost the same or more than the ps4.
 
R

Rösti

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When is Nintendo's next shareholders/whatever meeting? They may want to say something by then maybe?
The Second Quarter Financial Results Briefing for FY 2015 is tentatively scheduled for October 29, together with a Corporate Management Policy Briefing.
 
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