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[JoeM86]

There's not much point trying to convince joe on this: He just repeats the company line even when it's blatant lies or utter stupidity, as he has done for months if not years.

GBA Games are totally doable on 3DS and the argument that they can't sell them because "missing features" when all those features are also missing from DSiware games, which are sold fine on the 3DS eshop.

I'm sorry if the struggle of having to remember to choose to use an in game sleep option is too hard for some of you to comprehend, but that's not a good enough reason to hold back the games.

That is quite offensive. The list I provided proves that the VC hasn't been mismanaged as people claim. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I just repeat the company line. When there's reason to criticise, I criticise

Also, emulation is a lot trickier than you are putting it out to be. Read this: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/

Also, DSiWare games have the sleep mode built in. Sleep Mode is a vital thing here and not all GBA games had a built in Sleep Mode. You may not find it a good enough reason, but the company does and they're the ones who'd have to deal with complaints etc.

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Personally I think what's worse than them not wanting to put the Ambassador GBA versions out because they're incomplete is them not having the process in place in the first place to produce complete emulations. I find it hard to believe no one had the foresight to push for GBA titles on the 3DS Virtual Console, but maybe the bean counters told them it wouldn't be cost effective.

 

[Allegrian]

My New 3DS can handle a lot of Snes and some GBA games at 60 fps, it's glorious. They look a lot better than on the Wii U gamepad, too bad Nintendo won't even use the New 3DS power.

 

[Doczu]

One of the reasons i wanted to buy a n3DS was the colored face buttons. I thought it was a Nintendo hint of SNES VC on the go.
Sadly it didn't happen. Just as me buying the n3DS...

 

[Kirlia]

I can understand GBA VC not working well on the 3DS...but why not SNES?

 

[The Spoony Hou]

NoA continues to be shit, sadly.

 

[JoeM86]

I can understand GBA VC not working well on the 3DS...but why not SNES?

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/

 

[Robin64]

One of the reasons i wanted to buy a n3DS was the colored face buttons. I thought it was a Nintendo hint of SNES VC on the go.
Sadly it didn't happen. Just as me buying the n3DS...

Get the New 3DS, install HomeMenuHax, enjoy 60fps SNES games.

 

[hamchan]

My New 3DS can handle a lot of Snes and some GBA games at 60 fps, it's glorious. They look a lot better than on the Wii U gamepad, too bad Nintendo won't even use the New 3DS power.

They should have made SNES and GBA VC a selling point of the n3DS I reckon.

 

[Opinionatedfish]

Hmm.....

It's Natsume saying that no more Natsume GB games will be released on the 3DS Virtual Console.

That's Tail Gator, Spanky's Quest, Ninja Gaiden Shadow, and.. pretty much that's about it.

All three Harvest Moon GBC titles are on VC in North America and we've got Lufia as well.

So.. that kind of closes the Natsume book for me.

As for NES/GBC/GB/GG games no longer being released on Virtual Console?

That's more irritating. I mean, I've got a small list of titles I seriously want.. although.. many of them rely on Konami, whoever owns Taito, SquareEnix, and who ever owns the licenses to Kemco/THQ/Sunsoft titles... so.. my list of stuff I want on Virtual Console for the 3DS is kind of impossible at this point.

I mean, I want Metal Gear: Ghost Babel, Tomb Raider GBC, Crystalis, Trip World (In the US), Final Fantasy Adventure, Great Greed, and Dragon Quest 1 & 2, 3, and Deja Vu 1 & 2 GBC.

In a perfect world, we'd be able to go nab things Power Quest and Mickey's Adventure Racing GBC.


Ugh. I wish the state of Virtual Console wasn't so sluggish. Although I do have a three digit backlog of Virtual Console titles on my 3DS.

 

[Other]

I can understand GBA VC not working well on the 3DS...but why not SNES?

Nintendo wants machine accurate, not machine approximate emulation. Approximate isn't too hard, you just got given you a link to some homebrew that does it, but Accurate just isn't possible with the 3DSes power as it takes a lot more grunt than the little thing has. Here's an old article about what it'd take to get it going on PC from 2011
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/
Involved stuff right?

 

[casiopao]

There's not much point trying to convince joe on this: He just repeats the company line even when it's blatant lies or utter stupidity, as he has done for months if not years.


GBA Games are totally doable on 3DS and the argument that they can't sell them because "missing features" is just stupid, when all those features are also missing from DSiware games, which are sold fine on the 3DS eshop.

I'm sorry if the struggle of having to remember to choose to use an in game sleep option is too hard for some of you to comprehend, but that's not a good enough reason to hold back the games.

Dsiware games had sleep there please. I know u are angry against ninty here. But making up things for ur argument is petty here.

And sleep feature while maybe not as important to us older gamer is one of the most important feature for the current gamer who are more or less used to sleep feature.

I do agree that ninty should rework the gba emulation into the same standard as their other vc here. But alas. They are moving to wii u online structure here so sadly 3ds is going to suffer the pain here.

you're playing on a portable, your standards arent high at all

This is probably one of the worst statement i had ever see. Especially when consoles and pc already shows that their standards can sometime be worst than the one on handheld.

 

[CassSept]

I guess Wii was a twisted beast from another dimension if SNES VC ran well on it.

 

[Greddleok]

In my dreams they'll come out someday.

I'll always believe!

I didn't know there was that much love for Stadium. I remember owning it and playing it, but it was pretty bad! It took all the charm away from pokemon.

 

[JoeM86]

I guess Wii was a twisted beast from another dimension if SNES VC ran well on it.

It's because they tweaked the emulators for each game if memory serves, rather than a blanket emulator. It works well, but the 3DS has even less processing power.

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

So Nintendo a

Spoiler

N

Xed game boy virtual console on 3DS

 

[WrenchNinja]

Dsiware games had sleep there please. I know u are angry against ninty here. But making up things for ur argument is petty here.

And sleep feature while maybe not as important to us older gamer is one of the most important feature for the current gamer who are more or less used to sleep feature.

They lack friends list, Miiverse and the home menu. He's not making anything up. What is petty here is calling him out just for not specifying that they have sleep mode.

These games were playable without it when they came out. Kids'll live. Adults will be fine. Cats and dogs will do their thing. The world won't end.

This is probably one of the worst statement i had ever see. Especially when consoles and pc already shows that their standards can sometime be worst than the one on handheld.

Portables of the same generation will always be of a lower standard than PC and Console. That isn't saying anything about the quality of the games released on the platform or how fun those games are.

 

[Roo]

*list*

Can't believe they have not released Mario Kart 64 yet.
I thought it was in the Wii U VC ages ago

 

[CassSept]

It's because they tweaked the emulators for each game if memory serves, rather than a blanket emulator. It works well, but the 3DS has even less processing power.

Point is, people post this story about 3 GhZ computer being required to properly emulate measly SNES every time when the subject is brought up, discounting the fact that Wii was very weak even by 2006 standards and it featured SNES emulation.

It's a weak deflection that is, it may take more time and work on game-by-game basis, but Nintendo themselves had shown that it doesn't take a monster machine to emulate these games.

 

[JoeM86]

Point is, people post this story about 3 GhZ computer being required to properly emulate measly SNES every time when the subject is brought up, discounting the fact that Wii was very weak even by 2006 standards and it featured SNES emulation.

It's a weak deflection that is, it may take more time and work on game-by-game basis, but Nintendo themselves had shown that it doesn't take a monster machine to emulate these games.

No, but if it was possible to a decent degree on the 3DS, they'd have done it. People seem to not realise that.

 

[Forkball]

I can't believe the 3DS never got GBA VC games

what the fuck

Pretty wild that Wii U got GBA and DS VC games while the 3DS did not. And while it was nice that we got a portable NES VC, come on, everyone wants the SNES catalogue instead.

Can you imagine a portable system that could play NES, SNES, GB/C, GBA, and DS games? Truly a sprite utopia.

 

[Duggie_Brown]

I've had my 3DS for years now and it was clear ages ago that Nintendo had given up on the VC on 3DS (and Wii-U for that matter). An absolutely wasted opportunity. They clearly have no intention of building a service that offers a wide variety of classic games (some modernised in 3D or HD because people want it) on their hardware. Do you think i'll buy another version of Link to the Past or Super Mario World on their next console? Hell no, what's the point.

 

[rjc571]

Nintendo wants machine accurate, not machine approximate emulation. Approximate isn't too hard, you just got given you a link to some homebrew that does it, but Accurate just isn't possible with the 3DSes power as it takes a lot more grunt than the little thing has. Here's an old article about what it'd take to get it going on PC from 2011
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/
Involved stuff right?

Yet somehow they're totally fine with approximate N64 emulation on Wii and Wii U

Anyhoo, I'm totally satisfied using my 9.2FW original model 3DS to run GBA games natively via ambassador rom injection. Too bad Nintendo never gave us the opportunity to buy and play games this way (even though it's literally identical to how they run DSiWare on 3DS), they would've made a lot of money.

 

[JoeM86]

Yet somehow they're totally fine with approximate N64 emulation on Wii and Wii U

What's wrong with the N64 emulation?

 

[rjc571]

What's wrong with the N64 emulation?

Nothing wrong with it, but it uses HLE and hence isn't cycle accurate. Which contradicts his statement.

 

[7DollarHagane]

Time to get an everdrive.

Time yet again for Retro game fans to give a fan project money instead of Nintendo.

This is not necessarily a bad thing but just stupid on Nintendo's part yet again.

 

[casiopao]

Portables of the same generation will always be of a lower standard than PC and Console. That isn't saying anything about the quality of the games released on the platform or how fun those games are.

Stop there. I dont even understand what u wanted to said there. Lower standard but not about the quality of game? U are losing me here.

They lack friends list, Miiverse and the home menu. He's not making anything up. What is petty here is calling him out just for not specifying that they have sleep mode.

These games were playable without it when they came out. Kids'll live. Adults will be fine. Cats and dogs will do their thing. The world won't end.

Me being petty even when i correct his mistake here? Oh please.

Miiverse is added in the mid life of 3ds though. It is not surprising to see it is not in the game here. And isn't eshop more or less the continuation of dsi eshop which is probably why all the game on dsi is in eshop.

And stop with the bad example there. Everything will be fine if ignore the problem here. It won't change the fact that there are still problem there.

 

[DryvBy]

I've often been curious if virtualization/emulation of old games actually costs that much to do vs. the payout.

 

[7DollarHagane]

No, but if it was possible to a decent degree on the 3DS, they'd have done it. People seem to not realise that.

Why do you think that? What about Nintendo's treatment of virtual console in the past 5 years makes you think they give any kind of shit about Retro games outside mainline Mario, kirby, Zelda, donkey Kong?

 

[Yoshi]

I don't understand at all how pitchforks aren't being raised over this and the SNES games on Wii U. Natsume is ready to give us Lufia 2 and Nintendo don't care. Companies tend to respond to sustained angry shrieking but I guess Nintendo fans don't really care either.

Doesn't SQX currently have the rights to Lufia?

 

[JoeM86]

Why do you think that? What about Nintendo's treatment of virtual console in the past 5 years makes you think they give any kind of shit about Retro games outside mainline Mario, kirby, Zelda, donkey Kong?

How have they given it "poor treatment"?

 

[Ushojax]

It's clear that Nintendo stopped putting any real effort into VC on either console a long time ago. I imagine that whatever team handles their emulators is busy getting things ready for NX, it would be a massive boon for their next platform if they launched with a serious retro game service and not the drip-fed mess we have now.

 

[hongcha]

No, but if it was possible to a decent degree on the 3DS, they'd have done it. People seem to not realise that.

It is possible to more than a decent degree on the N3DS. Yet Nintendo does not do it. You seem to not realise that.

 

[JoeM86]

It is possible to more than a decent degree on the N3DS. Yet Nintendo does not do it. You seem to not realise that.

I do realise that, but it's likely because it's not logical to. It locks ~46 million of their userbase out and the next device is out soon running on different architecture.

Also, decent degree to you may not be up to Nintendo's standards.

 

[Shiggy]

I do realise that, but it's likely because it's not logical to. It locks ~46 million of their userbase out and the next device is out soon running on different architecture.

Also, decent degree to you may not be up to Nintendo's standards.

Their standards aren't very clearly defined. They went with big framerate issues in Fullblox and removed 3DS system features for Smash Bros. Are those their standards?

 

[CassSept]

I do realise that, but it's likely because it's not logical to. It locks ~46 million of their userbase out and the next device is out soon running on different architecture.

Also, decent degree to you may not be up to Nintendo's standards.

They had no problem with locking over 100 million of their userbase out of DSi Ware. Which was a far more significant addition than GBA VC.

 

[casiopao]

It is possible to more than a decent degree on the N3DS. Yet Nintendo does not do it. You seem to not realise that.

Money bruh. N3DS is not going to sell as much as dsi. It is not an illogical move here even if it is bad for fans waiting for those game.

They had no problem with locking over 100 million of their userbase out of DSi Ware. Which was a far more significant addition than GBA VC.

Dsi and dsi xl sales is monstrous though. 30+ million shipped all over the world. It is totally different vs N3DS situation here
here.

 

[Linkstrikesback]

No, but if it was possible to a decent degree on the 3DS, they'd have done it. People seem to not realise that.

Funny how fast the modding community is progressing for something that apparently can't be done.

 

[DekuLink]

Wii U isn't a popular enough system to rally the necessary voices of outrage. And the standard 3DS/XL can't really handle an SNES VC. With New3DS/XL sales as meh as they are, and with NX coming relatively soon, I can see why they wouldn't bother launching an SNES VC initiative on the current handheld line.

If Wii could handle N64 at 4x original resolution (x2 both directions), surely 3DS could handle SNES.

I do think that Nintendo could make a better emulator for their own system, on their own system, than some fans who make homebrew.

 

[WrenchNinja]

Stop there. I dont even understand what u wanted to said there. Lower standard but not about the quality of game? U are losing me here.

Me being petty even when i correct his mistake here? Oh please.

Miiverse is added in the mid life of 3ds though. It is not surprising to see it is not in the game here. And isn't eshop more or less the continuation of dsi eshop which is probably why all the game on dsi is in eshop.

And stop with the bad example there. Everything will be fine if ignore the problem here. It won't change the fact that there are still problem there.

Weak low standard hardware does not mean youll only find bad games on that hardware. The only way you would find this contentious is if you think I'm talking about the quality of the games.

He didn't really make a mistake when he addresses sleep mode in his following point.

So what if it was added in 2013? It is a 3DS feature. It's been around for two years now. It's something that can't be used. So it's okay to have games without that feature on the Eshop but not without sleep mode? It's okay to not access the home menu? The friends list? I mean if you want to hold your hat up with this whole sleep mode thing, you can go ahead, but it easily falls apart.

Yes, everything will be fine. You can live without being able to close your 3DS while playing a GBA game like The Minish Cap. This is not going to hinder your ability to play the game.

 

[Dryk]

No, but if it was possible to a decent degree on the 3DS, they'd have done it. People seem to not realise that.

It's because they tweaked the emulators for each game if memory serves, rather than a blanket emulator. It works well, but the 3DS has even less processing power.

The 3DS not having the power required is ultimately Nintendo's responsibility too though. And as far as third-parties go if they can't live up to their own Wii-era standards they deserve to get shit for either not working with them or for not communicating their refusal properly.

 

[DekuLink]

Nintendo wants machine accurate, not machine approximate emulation. Approximate isn't too hard, you just got given you a link to some homebrew that does it, but Accurate just isn't possible with the 3DSes power as it takes a lot more grunt than the little thing has. Here's an old article about what it'd take to get it going on PC from 2011
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/...-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator/
Involved stuff right?

They thought Wii was powerful enough though, and that is a single core 729 MHz machine.

So apparently the don't build a all purpose perfect emulator, because, as that article states, wii is not powerful enough.

They probably tweak the emulator for each and every game to make it work correctly, and they should be able to do that for 3DS as well.

They did after all make N64 VC happen on Wii, and that should be even harder than SNES emulation

 

[7DollarHagane]

M2 could rock virtual console if Nintendo bought them up. Put them on all vc releases full time and get another couple guys working out licensing.

If capcom can get mega man legends and tron bonne released in 2015 nintendo can release more vc titles.

 

[Seven Force]

M2 could rock virtual console if Nintendo bought them up. Put them on all vc releases full time and get another couple guys working out licensing.

I think the problems with VC run far deeper than actually getting the games to run. Shackling M2 to VC wouldn't solve much of anything if the service itself is still being mismanaged by Nintendo.

 

[JoeM86]

I think the problems with VC run far deeper than actually getting the games to run. Shackling M2 to VC wouldn't solve much of anything if the service itself is still being mismanaged by Nintendo.

How is it "still being mismanaged", though?

Funny how fast the modding community is progressing for something that apparently can't be done.

Is it done to the level Nintendo find acceptable though? And note that it's being done on the N3DS, not the 3DS

Their standards aren't very clearly defined. They went with big framerate issues in Fullblox and removed 3DS system features for Smash Bros. Are those their standards?

They didn't remove 3DS system features for Smash. Only thing that was "removed" was Miiverse. Also, having an enhanced game for the N3DS doesn't mean bad standards.

Come on guys...

 

[NoKisum]

When they first showed off the 3DS way back when, they were showing how powerful it was compared to the original DS, and giving slight hints at Virtual Console support, that it would be able to play a decent amount of GBA games on. I thought this would be incredible, having the perfect machine to play GBA, DS, and 3DS games all on. But once again, my act of assuming the obvious with Nintendo keeps getting the better of me. I swear this is probably the... fifth time maybe?

I should probably hold out on the next handheld until they very directly say, "GBA VC games are coming."

 

[Seven Force]

How is it "still being mismanaged", though?

Poor release schedules? Not properly communicating to publishers whether or not their submitted VC titles passed certification?

They didn't remove 3DS system features for Smash. Only thing that was "removed" was Miiverse.

...which is a 3DS system feature. Are you serious?

 

[bengraven]

Shitty news. Just got my first 3DS and I'm having fun replaying older games, but there's so many missing.

And now it's just dead?

I can't believe the 3DS never got GBA VC games

what the fuck

I actually bought mine expecting them to be on there. I had a list of games planned on buying.

 

[Shiggy]

How is it "still being mismanaged", though?



Is it done to the level Nintendo find acceptable though? And note that it's being done on the N3DS, not the 3DS



They didn't remove 3DS system features for Smash. Only thing that was "removed" was Miiverse. Also, having an enhanced game for the N3DS doesn't mean bad standards.

Come on guys...

Miiverse is a system feature. And Fullblox running pretty badly in 3DS is an indication that their standards aren't as high as you may praise them. Welcome to reality!

 

[Sapiens]

So they're moving on to super game boy and virtual boy now?