Obliterator
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No doubt it has the potential to have a long tail life but there is some monster GPU tech on the way. Stuff like HBM2. They will want to upgrade hardware by then
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Sony FY2015 Q2: PS4 shipment 4 million, cumulative sell in at 29.3 million
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No doubt it has the potential to have a long tail life but there is some monster GPU tech on the way. Stuff like HBM2. They will want to upgrade hardware by then
Kenzodielocke
Banned
So 2:1 is easily possible until 31st december.
glassgannon
Banned
That's a given since PS4 launch.
it probably has already.
U is at 10m and xb1 is at say even if ,say a miraculous 15m sales. ps4 has prolly already sold more than 25 m
Obliterator
Member
Yes thats exactly why.
Shinier polygons will make people move onto the next gen as they have every gen since the beginning of gaming
Dirtyshubb
Member
Lol I don't think he didn't understand what he was saying, just that it's stupid to think that if the ps4 had those few, insignificant in the grand scheme of things features it would have sold an extra 15 million console, which coincidentally is around how many Xbo have been sold so maybe that's the sole reason every Xbo owner bought their console
TBiddy
Member
PS4 is more powerful, has a larger variety of games and is/was cheaper at launch. And has a better history with gamers in most of the world. It's no wonder they are winning by a huge margin. But, that doesn't mean it's perfect and that there isn't room for improvement. EA Access would definitely be a nice addition.
Streaming games to a PC is a great idea. Not all of us have the luxury to have a monopoly on the living room TV you know.
Lol I don't think he didn't understand what he was saying, just that it's stupid to think that if the ps4 had those few, insignificant in the grand scheme of things features it would have sold an extra 15 million console, which coincidentally is around how many Xbo have been sold so maybe that's the sole reason every Xbo owner bought their console
You're probably right. I don't see the need to act like a douchebag about it though (talking about that Rex-guy, not you).
Dirtyshubb
Member
Fair enough, although sometimes being blunt about a terribly formed opinion can sometimes help point out how silly that point actually is but I get your reasoningYou're probably right. I don't see the need to act like a douchebag about it though (talking about that Rex-guy, not you).
Because it requires a HDD the PS4 is never going below $199.
dreamlongdead
Member
The high install base is good news for console gaming.
Not many must-haves at the moment for me, but I will get on PS4 train near the end of 2016. A lot of good stuff is coming that year.
Not many must-haves at the moment for me, but I will get on PS4 train near the end of 2016. A lot of good stuff is coming that year.
I think XB1 is More Close with ~15.5m shipped. Also, Wii U is ar +10.7m.
So, a combined of +26m? Still under PS4 which is at 29.3 million...
LiquidSolid
Member
This is some horrendous logic. The reason why Sony and other Japanese publishers are investing so much is because the PS4 is doing so well, not in spite of it. The idea Sony are sitting back and counting their money is console wars nonsense, we'd see less investment from them if the PS4 weren't doing so well, not more.
Anyone can list a bunch of features 5 people on the planet care about and pull a number out of their ass to go with it. Look, I'll do it right now:
What about a Xbone with PS Vita remote play, share play, communities and internal PSU! It would mean 100 billion-en sold!
Insane Metal
Member
Oh wow, they're profitable again. Good job, Kaz.
Windom Earle
Member
Damn. And they seemingly have another ace up their sleeve with PSVR.
glassgannon
Banned
PS4 is more powerful, has a larger variety of games and is/was cheaper at launch. And has a better history with gamers in most of the world. It's no wonder they are winning by a huge margin. But, that doesn't mean it's perfect and that there isn't room for improvement. EA Access would definitely be a nice addition.
Streaming games to a PC is a great idea. Not all of us have the luxury to have a monopoly on the living room TV you know.
You're probably right. I don't see the need to act like a douchebag about it though (talking about that Rex-guy, not you).
1) The guy was being salty. not hopeful of new features. lets stop pretending otherwise. his last line makes it more than obvious what his intention was.nobody said the ps4 is perfect that forced him to refute the idea.
2)most new monitors have hdmi inputs. hope you're aware of that. and if a person is THAT desperate or on a laptop, there are workarounds for streaming games on a pc,not to mention , i don't understand how its any better than remote play that the ps4 has.if you dont have access to a screen , buy one. its the most obviously reasonable way if you wanna play games and not get frequently interrupted.because now you're just wasting bandwidth for a much poorer than native experience.
SMOK3Y
Generous Member
My mate bought his kids a PS3 because he thought it only released a coupla yrs ago when i told him 2007 he was dumbfounded
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
Daayum! Well done, Sony!
Now, release a PS4 Slim and I'll replace my PS4 with it.
Now, release a PS4 Slim and I'll replace my PS4 with it.
wapplew
Member
Unless Xbox one ship below 15m, we are not at 2:1 yet, but no way we know since we don't know Xbox numbers.
anothertech
Member
Congrats Sony. Hope all competitors are paying attention.
Also, confused as to where 15M Xbone numbers coming from? I thought they were just at 13M+ last we heard not to long ago?
Also, confused as to where 15M Xbone numbers coming from? I thought they were just at 13M+ last we heard not to long ago?
TBiddy
Member
1 - Yes, he was. But his point was actually not entirely wrong. The hardware of Sony and the software of MS would make for a great console
2 - Well, yes.. but my XB1 is hooked up to my receiver in the living room, so I can enjoy the sound and my TV in my couch. When my GF is using the TV to watch whatever reality-show she's watching, I can retreat to the bedroom or the office and play on my XB1 via streaming. I could of course dismantle the cables, move the XB1 and hook it up via an adapter to my laptop... but why should i?
I don't know if it's a fringe case or what, but I like having the opportunity.
But this really got away from the topic, so no more chit-chat for now
You're probably right. I don't see the need to act like a douchebag about it though (talking about that Rex-guy, not you).
HAH! Oh I'm sorry was I supposed to invest time actually responding to that farce of a post? Not only was the syntax and grammar atrocious it made absolutely no sense whatsoever. Adding a handful of features will not magically expand the market for the console by umpteen million units. The only way this post made any sense was if it was a "well yea but PS4 doesn't have these things though" post which deserves to be mocked as the salt it is.
Oh and contrary to what you believe some of us have 0 interest in EA access given the repercussions the service could have in the industry and the desire to give EA as little money as possible.
Edit: actually don't. this all completely OT anyway. If you have an issue with me or what posted take it up with me in PM or contact a mod. No sense in further derailing this thread as a result of such a ridiculous post.
Well, PS4 outshipped Xbone every quarter by a few millions. Only logical conclusion is sold-trough and sold-in are 2:1 after 2 years.
Depends. The PS2's long tail was sales in developing countries when it became dirt cheap, something the 3 will never have sadly.
4 could do it though.
TBiddy
Member
You could've just ignored it, no? Yes, you have 0 interest in EA Access, which means noone on the PS4 have interest in EA Access.
At least, that was the logic you used with BF Hardline, and we all know how that turned out.
primasaurus
Member
Unless I'm reading this wrong
Sony Games Division: (2015)
Sales: $649 million
Operating Income: $43 million
Nintendo: (2015)
Sales: $946 million
Operating Income: $65 million
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028e.pdf
MS Games Division: ?
Sony Games Division: (2015)
Sales: $649 million
Operating Income: $43 million
Nintendo: (2015)
Sales: $946 million
Operating Income: $65 million
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2015/151028e.pdf
MS Games Division: ?
Captain Tuttle
Member
I assume you're aware how little Hardline sold in comparison to other battlefield games. Most would consider it a flop for the series. But you already knew that. If you have an issue with me PM me or a mod. Stop derailing this thread with a bunch of pointless features posts.
TBiddy
Member
I don't have an issue with you. I don't even know you, except for this thread.
People vote with their wallets. Maybe they want the PS4 controller, streaming, communities, spotify, PsNow and PSplus ?
Cheat Code
Member
Consoles are dead.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Okay okay, i get it guys. Jesus...people always talk about 'desperate nintendo is best nintendo', even a slight musing isn't allowed?
Felessan
Member
Unlikely. Technological barrier in CMOS is very close thus process shrinking is slow and costly. So price will drop but not as fast/low as it was in PS2 days.
PS2 got die shrinks twice as fast as PS4 and PS2 final shrinkage will be probably unavailable for PS4 at all (sub 10nm nodes are very questionable).
I meant all consoles combined, as in all Sony consoles (PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4) combined (which is currently at 377 million estimate) vs all Microsoft (Xbox, 360, One) and Nintendo's (NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, WiiU) consoles combined (currently at 402 million estimated). I think Sony has a good chance of selling more all generation consoles than Microsoft and Nintendo's all generation consoles combined by the end of this generation. Sorry I wasn't clear in my first post.
So I guess the gen is over, I mean MS can't catch up, all they can do is stay profitable and prepare for next gen, NX also wont stand a chance, Nintendo could sell well enough but they will not be a threat to Sony this gen.
It's exactly like the PS2 era where the gen was over after two years.
It's exactly like the PS2 era where the gen was over after two years.
So Nintendo is more profitable than Sony?
Nightengale
Member
Edit error.
JetSetRadio
Banned
It's a beast.
But even this presumes that Nintendo's worst/non-optimal times were the SNES, DS,Gameboy, NES and Wii era's... it's nonsensical.
I guess it's a really "genius" way of arguing the Vita and the Wii-U are really the winners/best of this gen.
To be fair, especially as of late, Japanese exclusives are a very big deal. Maybe not massive sales successes, sure. But still adds to a very attractive package when one considers buying a console. Based on what I saw at TGS, the number of exclusive PS4 games from Japan are only increasing. It's a pretty big deal IMO
I think possibly, at the end of this generation, they will have sold more consoles than Microsoft and Nintendo combined in all generations. They're only 30 million behind.
That's ridiculous.
I really doubt that Tomb Raider timed exclusive for XB1 deal paid more than all those lost sales would have...
40 million consoles when GT Sport and PSVR comes out. I don't care what anyone says about VR. I'm convinced it's going to sell shitloads, no matter the price (but hopefully under $300/£250!).
I mean, it will outsell Kinect and people will have enough cool, genuine uses for it that none of them will regret their purchase. 40 million potential consumers and growing. Affordable VR that will be a revelatory experience beyond any other single advancement we've ever seen beofre... How can it not sell, seriously?! Sony is showing great support for it and there's already a raft of titles coming to the device. Then there's all the entertainment apps that Sony haven't shown off yet. Remember partnerships with NASA etc. Let people stand on the Moon and show it off to their parents. Wii like success of VR as a platform IS possible.
Mark my words, VR starts with PlayStation 4.
40 million consoles when GT Sport and PSVR comes out. I don't care what anyone says about VR. I'm convinced it's going to sell shitloads, no matter the price (but hopefully under $300/£250!).
I mean, it will outsell Kinect and people will have enough cool, genuine uses for it that none of them will regret their purchase. 40 million potential consumers and growing. Affordable VR that will be a revelatory experience beyond any other single advancement we've ever seen beofre... How can it not sell, seriously?! Sony is showing great support for it and there's already a raft of titles coming to the device. Then there's all the entertainment apps that Sony haven't shown off yet. Remember partnerships with NASA etc. Let people stand on the Moon and show it off to their parents. Wii like success of VR as a platform IS possible.
Mark my words, VR starts with PlayStation 4.