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[The Artisan]

I was just messing around, yes it's Monthly Active Users.

oh lol. my bad, then.

 

[Alebrije]

Wow. Congrats to Sony. I guess this machine is a living proof that your console, in order to sell, doesn't need a GOAT game or a legendary franchise at launch to sell well, It's just a matter of intelligent advertisement that goes straight to the point and delivering a powerful machine without gimmicks and all that jazz -wich is exactly what gamers nowadays want-

Yep , you don not need a Messi or C Ronaldo , you need a team.

 

[wachie]

Read my message again. X360 was a huge success for MS in consumer mindshare and also financially after the first Xbox.

This graph was behind your link:

I'm not trying to make this a console war thread, but ninjablade's comments are delusional imo (agree with StevieP) and I was trying to reply to him.

Maybe you should read ninjablade's post again. He was actually complimenting Microsoft on doing almost everything correctly with the 360, except giving some momentum back towards the end of the cycle. That is quite correct and nothing delusional about it. He was purely talking from the market share perspective, which is correct. That's not the only pov, just like financial is also not the only one pov.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

come on. no it hasn't.

xbone is outpacing the 360, so it is still in this race, even if it won't catch up.

that'll be U.S. I guess we'll never know for worldwide (I don't really know what media create is)

Xbox is irrelevant outside of the US so NPD is all we need.

Spoiler

Well, maybe in Latin America.

 

[Floody]

Crazy that it's selling like it is without a price cut or really any major exclusive (sales wise, not quality wise), with the price cut and 2016 being the year their first party really get going, it probably isn't going to slow down anytime soon either.

 

[The Artisan]

Xbox is irrelevant outside of the US so NPD is all we need.

Spoiler

Well, maybe in Latin America.

I think someone suggested the xbone is outselling ps4 in latin america because a lot of people are importing Ps4s to there

 

[Toki767]

US and UK are Xbox's main markets.

Spoiler

And New Zealand.

I think it's like what, 80-90% of the overall sales?

 

[Trago]

Crazy that it's selling like it is without a price cut or really any major exclusive (sales wise, not quality wise), with the price cut and 2016 being the year their first party really get going, it probably isn't going to slow down anytime soon either.

Is it really? When the other two consoles aren't offering as good as this one, it's pretty clear that consumers would make this their console of choice this gen.

 

[EGOMON]

The Artisan you are my favorite poster in GAF, am not messing with you i just like your way of responding to people so chill and nonchalant *thumps up*

 

[slavesnyder]

BD drives are so cheap these days, while it gives the console access to a well etablished retail channel for games. I'm not sure why a company would want to not include a BD drive in their consoles for the next 10 years.

Control of all sales and prices. Higher margins.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

Crazy that it's selling like it is without a price cut or really any major exclusive (sales wise, not quality wise), with the price cut and 2016 being the year their first party really get going, it probably isn't going to slow down anytime soon either.

That is because exclusive doesn't matter that much.

 

[TrojanBlade]

Wow...what a turnaround for Sony and Playstation brand from the PS3 days. Sometimes you have to take a beating to get back to your basics and looks like Sony learned their lesson well from PS3.

No wonder MS said they would stop sharing Xbox hardware numbers.

 

[BadWolf]

That is because exclusive doesn't matter that much.

Playstation systems have always sold on the back of 3rd party games for the most part. It was only last gen that Sony really expanded their first party, for obvious reasons.

Now they have both.

 

[PdotMichael]

Control of all sales and prices. Higher margins.

I hope the higher margins can compensate the loss of consumers.

 

[xxracerxx]

Holy shit at those shipment numbers.

 

[bigboss370]

Comparing PSVR to Google Glass is one hell of a lopsided comparison. Google Glass, the awkward thing you are meant to wear out in public, who's only benefit is a poor quality display floating in the corner of your vision to tell you what the weather is like or if you got a text message... hardly compares to something designed for living room use at home either by yourself or with a small gathering of friends/family, something which literally puts you in a game world and lets you interact naturally with that world. Be IN a Ferrari driving around Monza, stand ON the edge of a cliff overlooking the grand canyon, or a crater on the Moon... the two devices could not be more different.

VR delivers on it's promise in ways we could only have dreamed about a few short years ago. To overlook the huge ream of reaction videos from first timers trying these devices, to overlook the huge potential to change our world, and just lump it in with 3D glasses... madness. VR through word of mouth and public demo booths, will explode onto the wold's consciousness. Just wait until someone you know has it to try out, or it's on display at a local mall etc. Once people en masse, non gamers especially, see and experience VR, it will explode.

There is one HUGE problem here. I agree with everything you said, but the crucial thing to consider is, Playstation VR is not a singular platform. Its not like with the Wii craze where casual consumers went out and bought that console in droves. Once people experience PS-VR, or hear by it word of mouth or however, and become interested to go out and buy it...they'll be met with a wall. And that wall is, you need a PS4 in order to operate PS-VR. All of a sudden its not just one platform you need to buy at $200-$300, but two platforms.

And this will be a big hindrance to PS-VR's potential mass market success.

 

[Bgamer90]

US and UK are Xbox's main markets.

Spoiler

And New Zealand.

I think it's like what, 80-90% of the overall sales?

I believe America makes up about 60-70% of Xbox One's sales so yeah -- probably.

 

[Game4life]

There is one HUGE problem here. I agree with everything you said, but the crucial thing to consider is, Playstation VR is not a singular platform. Its not like with the Wii craze where casual consumers went out and bought that console in droves. Once people experience PS-VR, or hear by it word of mouth or however, and become interested to go out and buy it...they'll be met with a wall. And that wall is, you need a PS4 in order to operate PS-VR. All of a sudden its not just one platform you need to buy at $200-$300, but two platforms.

And this will be a big hindrance to PS-VR's potential mass market success.

VR will not be a mass market success this generation. That has nothing to do with potential of VR or determining the success of VR. This generation will probably see a maximum 10 million adoption of PSVR at best ( Which is a great number) and that is okay. No one out there including Sony is predicting it will become a mass market device. You will see the adoption rate go up very high next gen and Sony wants to get in on the ecosystem and get its brand out there when that breakout eventually happens 5-6 years down the line.

 

[mckmas8808]

VR will not be a mass market success this generation. That has nothing to do with potential of VR or determining the success of VR. This generation will probably see a maximum 10 million adoption of PSVR at best ( Which is a great number) and that is okay. No one out there including Sony is predicting it will become a mass market device. You will see the adoption rate go up very high next gen and Sony wants to get in on the ecosystem and get its brand out there when that breakout eventually happens 5-6 years down the line.

10 million PSVR headsets sold would be GREAT!!!

 

[Sangetsu-II]

There is one HUGE problem here. I agree with everything you said, but the crucial thing to consider is, Playstation VR is not a singular platform. Its not like with the Wii craze where casual consumers went out and bought that console in droves. Once people experience PS-VR, or hear by it word of mouth or however, and become interested to go out and buy it...they'll be met with a wall. And that wall is, you need a PS4 in order to operate PS-VR. All of a sudden its not just one platform you need to buy at $200-$300, but two platforms.

And this will be a big hindrance to PS-VR's potential mass market success.

That would only apply to people who don't have a PS4 yet. But by the time PSVR is out there will be 40 million PS4 owners strolling through malls and experiencing it for the first time. Besides people buy $1000 TV's, this is effectively lower than most electronics.

 

[AmFreak]

Is it really? When the other two consoles aren't offering as good as this one, it's pretty clear that consumers would make this their console of choice this gen.

Exactly, we have a market with a console that is barely worth mentioning sales-wise and and another one that is behind last gens 2nd place console and will fall behind the 3rd one. Meanwhile the market leader sells considerably worse than the market leaders of the 2 last generations (ps2 counted from us-start).
The market is shrinking, not only from last gen, but even in comparison to the gen before.

 

[Z3M0G]

Charts

Is PS3 really supposed to be consistently ahead of 360 in that chart?

 

[PdotMichael]

Is PS3 really supposed to be consistently ahead of 360 in that chart?

Yes? Xbox 360 was released one year earlier, so you would need to look at the 360 carts 12 months later compared to the PS3 if you want to compare it with the PS3.

But launch aligned the 360 was never really ahead of the PS3.

 

[Intrigue]

I believe America makes up about 60-70% of Xbox One's sales so yeah -- probably.

Zhuge mentioned ~70% a couple months ago.

While PS4 is around ~36%

 

[vpance]

PS4 sales will shoot to the moon when VR drops. Got damn.

 

[Stanng243]

PS4 sales will shoot to the moon when VR drops. Got damn.

I can imagine a PS4 slim + vr headset for Christmas next year.

 

[Heshinsi]

Microsoft is doing the same thing that Sony made with PS3, investing more in first-party line up.

They have in the bag Quantum Break, Recore, Scalebound, Crackdown, Fable Legends, Sea of Thieves, Gears 4... I think they're trying better than with 360.

At this point of the X360's life we had Gears, Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Halo 3, Crackdown. Lost Odyssey was launching Jan 08 as well.

 

[EdReedFan20]

It is.

1) PS2
2) PS1
3) Wii

Just meant PS4 will surpass the Wii over time and thus also pass the PS1. The Wii and PS1 are fairly close.

And if PS3 ever does/has passed 360, that would mean four of the top five home consoles are PlayStation. It's be 1: PS2, 2: PS4 (according to your guess), 3: PS1, 4: Wii, 5: PS3. That's quite staggering.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

The Artisan you are my favorite poster in GAF, am not messing with you i just like your way of responding to people so chill and nonchalant *thumps up*

I totally agree. The Artisans composure really is inspiring.

I can imagine a PS4 slim + vr headset for Christmas next year.

I want a fat and quiet one...

 

[BritBloke916]

launch aligned the 360 was never really ahead of the PS3.

SO many people struggle to get their heads around this. For US and UK folks it's a totally counterintuitive fact about the last generation.

 

[The Artisan]

The Artisan you are my favorite poster in GAF, am not messing with you i just like your way of responding to people so chill and nonchalant *thumps up*

I totally agree. The Artisans composure really is inspiring.




I want a fat and quiet one...

thanks guys. for the most part, I think neogaf is a good place for discussing video games, and other worldly stuff. I like being able to ask questions and find out about things I didn't know about before; and I have learned a lot just by conversing here.

 

[Bass260]

Seriously impressive numbers.

 

[AnotherDayAnotherDollar]

And if PS3 ever does/has passed 360, that would mean four of the top five home consoles are PlayStation. It's be 1: PS2, 2: PS4 (according to your guess), 3: PS1, 4: Wii, 5: PS3. That's quite staggering.

What is a fair current LTD guess for PS3, X360, Xbone, and PSV?

I have PS3 from 84M all the way to 95M, similar numbers for 360, wikipedia says PSV is at 4M and Xbone is at 10M, but those are obviously outdated figures. Not sure someone here has better estimates, albeit, obviously not exact numbers and just an educated guess.

 

[The Last One]

I think someone suggested the xbone is outselling ps4 in latin america because a lot of people are importing Ps4s to there

I don't know about the rest of the Latin America, but I can see this being the case here in Brazil.

 

[Ryng_tolu]

MC tracks sales below 100? It is close.

Etho pls last week XB1 was over 1k!!!!!

Spoiler

 

[TyrantII]

Too bad consoles are dead

Oh, uhhh

 

[The Artisan]

I don't know about the rest of the Latin America, but I can see this being the case here in Brazil.

do most of the people you know have a Ps4 rather than an xbone?

 

[Panajev2001a]

SO many people struggle to get their heads around this. For US and UK folks it's a totally counterintuitive fact about the last generation.

PS3 still has the perception of disaster and failure around it while in the end it might be at the same level as the Xbox 360 or it might have surpassed it worldwide. For a console that was perceived as a resounding success and launched one year earlier this seems not to be conceivable at all for some.

 

[Prototype Viktor]

don't throw at me, but ain't it funny that this console sells so good even it has by far not all(!) the good features? It has some cool and most of all power, power power. But:
think of a PS4 with snapping Apps, backwards compatibility, the xbox one controller, voice control, windows 10 streaming and ea access - that would be cool. And it would mean 45 millionen sold.
But (in my eyes) unfortunately most of the cool things/features I like are things are on the other side. (Thats why their 14-15 million is good too).
PS4 numbers are fantastic!

"Mods! Tear! Down! This! Wall!" - Ho Chi Minh

 

[pixelation]

Warms my heart to see good decisions paying dividends... T_T

 

[Floody]

That is because exclusive doesn't matter that much.

They definitely do, if they didn't the PS3 wouldn't have made the comeback it did. Are they the most important thing? No, but they keep the console sales going after most have already got one/decided they don't need it.

 

[Coulomb_Barrier]

So Sony announced games dont appeal to you?

Dreams? Uncharted 4? Horizon? Ratchet? GT Sport? Detroit? No Man Sky´s? FireWatch? WatterFall? Street Figther V? The Last Guardian? Gravity Rush 2? Wild? Rime? Deawn to Death? The Tomorrow Children? Shadow of the Beast?

Please tell me more.

Reading through the thread and this post is like the best list ever.

Hopefully a financially healthy Sony means more exciting games like these that are, y'know, released not in 2016 but for many years to come

 

[Moonstone]

Zhuge mentioned ~70% a couple months ago.

While PS4 is around ~36%

Which tells a lot. People in gaming boards always mention the MS launch fuck up with onlinegate and TVTV. But I think this is exaggerated. It definitly had a big impact - but it's not the main reason. And people who choose a PS4 over a Xbox One right now, 2,5 years after launch, probably have never heard of it.

I don't want to talk about what MS did wrong - since this is not the right thread for it and it has been mentioned here a gazillion times.

Lets praise Sony instead:
Sony did something what no one ever did in the videogame business before, but even for general consumer electronics it is a great accomplishement: They launched in a timeframe of 3 month in 52 countries worldwide. With Japan as one of the last countries. *insert Japan meme here*
There are + ~190 UNO countries worldwide (so 1/3 of the world), but essentially the launched pretty much everywhere in the world at the same time, where a reasonable videogame business could work.

WW sales for Wii and PS2 might be stronger in comparison, but this was in a world where Japan was into homeconsoles and the Wii was a lot cheaper and also a phenomenon of its own. There must be countries or territories where the PS4 easily beats Wii and PS2 easily and where the PS4 will become THE defining console for a new generation of gamers and the fastest selling console of all time. US sales are ok - but Sony must have phenomenal sales in countries/territories where we usually never or rarely get numbers from.

 

[ProfessorMoran]

so how do we gauge what the xbone's sales actually are?

Xbox live monthly active users numbers?

 

[Bear Force One]

With the consoles that will be out by it's release, Uncharted 4 will beast.

Like kaiju time!

 

[Intrigue]

Which tells a lot. People in gaming boards always mention the MS launch fuck up with onlinegate and TVTV. But I think this is exaggerated. It definitly had a big impact - but it's not the main reason. And people who choose a PS4 over a Xbox One right now, 2,5 years after launch, probably have never heard of it.

I don't want to talk about what MS did wrong - since this is not the right thread for it and it has been mentioned here a gazillion times.

Lets praise Sony instead:
Sony did something what no one ever did in the videogame business before, but even for general consumer electronics it is a great accomplishement: They launched in a timeframe of 3 month in 52 countries worldwide. With Japan as one of the last countries. *insert Japan meme here*
There are + ~190 UNO countries worldwide (so 1/3 of the world), but essentially the launched pretty much everywhere in the world at the same time, where a reasonable videogame business could work.

WW sales for Wii and PS2 might be stronger in comparison, but this was in a world where Japan was into homeconsoles and the Wii was a lot cheaper and also a phenomenon of its own. There must be countries or territories where the PS4 easily beats Wii and PS2 easily and where the PS4 will become THE defining console for a new generation of gamers and the fastest selling console of all time. US sales are ok - but Sony must have phenomenal sales in countries/territories where we usually never or rarely get numbers from.

Xbox was dead WW before launch, made no sense for them to push further, even some of their "A markets" were outsold by Sony 5:1 and launched same time.

Anyone ineurope that wanted a Xbox1 but was not in a "A market" could easily get one and the ones who wanted one did.

The only shocker is how Sony came right out and won Xbox's main territory.

If anything this story is more telling about the importance of launching together with your competitor. This time around both consoles launch at same time and people had a choice.

 

[Cidd]

Nice numbers but with NA/UK, Xbox live users + 1% of China I still think MS will win in the end.

 

[Concept17]

Nice numbers but with NA/UK, Xbox live users + 1% of China I still think MS will win in the end.

lol

 

[Dragon]

Nice numbers but with NA/UK, Xbox live users + 1% of China I still think MS will win in the end.

Sarcasm?

 

[AmFreak]

Sarcasm?

Just look into his eyes, he is dead serious.