Sidewinder
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PlayStation 4 sales (sold-through) hit 30.2 million worldwide
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Exactly!!1
You're literally defending against a point I never made
Even factoring in the Xbox One's improved sales in October, our analysis shows that the Xbox One wouldn't outsell the PS4 on an annual basis before 2024and even then, there'd still be a total sales gap of around 50 million consoles.
They add October and look at that along side Orlands fabricated figures ceteris paribus and calculate out to 2024+ assuming still ceteris paribus to find at one point Xbox maybe can/should start outselling, it's laughable when taken alongside Orland's traditional line on sales.
Yep, did that over a month ago, and it was fine, but it started again while I was playing The Old Hunter.
Can't deal with this shiet.
HeWhoWalks
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Bloodborne is a Sony owned IP created by a Third Party company with Japan Studio's (Sony's) help. Thus, doesn't matter who creates it, the IP will always belong to Sony. There is no such thing as a "Second Party" IP. It's either owned by the manufacturer or published by them and owned by a Third Party company.
First and Third Party refers to the company, not the intellectual property.
mejin
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If they bet only on US and UK they're fucked.
They need to achieve wolrdwide appeal for Xbox brand. This is the biggest advantage Sony has over Microsoft.
I still amazed about the difference in the package size... The xbox is soo big.
I don't know... they are selling more even in US and UK for be correct.
There are other reason imo.
Unknown Soldier
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I don't remember MS caring that much about other regions during the 360 days. The majority of 360's success was also in NA and UK and that covered their lack of existence elsewhere.
The reality is that the Xbox has never been anything other than an NA/UK console and the other reality is that the 360 disrupted the market to such an extent that only now, 2 years into the PS4 generation, have niche and smaller selling titles begun to return and the diversity of the industry begun to recover. MS has been nothing but bad for gaming since they entered the industry.
Dash_Riprock
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=489769&highlight=next+gen+predictions
Always provides a fun read.
More than anything this thread shows the disgusting USA=The World mentality that permeates GAF sales threads.
Mattrick's initial hubris of "pack on restrictive 24 hour DMR because they're gonna buy our console anyway" didn't do them any favors either.
Sony wisely backed the hell out of that idea.
Thebeardofknowledge
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Xbox will never achieve the type of worldwide appeal the PlayStation has.
I don't think Microsoft will spend any more than Sony next gen on hardware. Best performance per watt and make a profit or break even on $400. Only difference next time is Microsoft hopefully won't make daft mistakes. I imagine they'll be even closer on hardware specs unless there is something like VR that takes them down a different path.
FranXico
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Sony did try some shady greedy shit on other things too though, but backed out from most of them. The multiplayer paywall stuck, unfortunately.
Agreed. They're doing decent in the US but in Sonys core markets they're getting slaughtered.
If you watch TV at the moment here in germany you see 1-2 PS4 every break but no almost no XB1 ads.
The 360 was a lot more competitive atleast here in germany. I mean you just have to look at todays Pal chart.
The PC retail version of Battlefront outsold the XB1 version.
FunkyPajamas
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PS1 success, PS2 success, PS3 screw up, PS4 success, PS5 success?, PS6 screw up?
You're right though, even back then PS3 stayed on top of 360 for mainland Europe sales.
Ah, the good old "Sony Too" retort. We meet again.
Paywall sucks and I blame that on everyone that paid for Xbox Live back then.
LegendofDragoonLives
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People still pretending this was all Mattrick I see lol
Paywall was going to have to happen because of a number of different factors. Free online gaming would have been awesome but at the time they had their sites on making a service closer to XBL.
And yeah, they had their own DMR stuff in the plans but reacted to the severe backlash. And of course Microsoft showed their cards first.
EdReedFan20
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I usually don't check to see post histories or whatnot, but I wanted to see if they still posted here. They do. And funnily enough, they actually posted something last week that I remember seeing (just didn't know it was attributed to them). They were saying that PS2 emulation was only happening because of XB1's BC solution and Sony would have done nothing regarding emulation/BC had MS not revealed theirs at E3. Really!? It was pretty much well known (by those who followed it) that Sony was working on bringing PS1 and PS2 classics to PS4 with trophy support. It was reported way back in January by Euorgamer.
Pathfinder
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I paid for a superior network. Absolutely no regrets here.
mejin
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Do you have some numbers to spare, Tolu? I thought XB1 would be behind X360 in a few months.
HeWhoWalks
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Such as?
Oh yeah, no way our best buddy Phil had anything to do with it at all. Hes a gamer like us. Did you see him how cool he si with his game shirts and a blazer. Hes so anti corporate and only wants the best for us. It's not like he had any power at all when Microsoft was pushing for the crazy shit.He was totally against it 100% and fought for us in the board room but evil Don stuck his ideas down.
Obviously not all but a huge part as the guy heading the ship. How can blame not fall with him first?
AmethystEnd
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Citation needed.
Unknown One
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PS1 success, PS2 success, PS3 screw up, PS4 success, PS5 success?, PS6 screw up?
You're right though, even back then PS3 stayed on top of 360 for mainland Europe sales.
Ah, the good old "Sony Too" retort. We meet again.
Paywall sucks and I blame that on everyone that paid for Xbox Live back then.
With no sources to boot. Patents means nothing since it's not proof that it'll be used either. Companies patent all types of useless stuff.
PS4 was online only and accepted no used games at all and you had to check in every 30mins and there was supposed to be a slot for your credit card to pay 29.99 per month on top of the console's cost.
Insanely patronizing posts like this are totally productive too!
HeWhoWalks
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I needed a good laugh, today! Thanks! :-D
I'm really interested to see how November NPD goes for both Sony and Microsoft after that lower than expect October on both consoles. I mean it'll be more but by how much?
FunkyPajamas
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It's funny, I added "I also blame Sony for not having a competitive option to Xbox Live back then" and I decided to remove that since PS2 didn't even have a network adapter when it launched (Xbox launched what, a year later?) - so I can see where you're coming from. It still sucks that paywall for P2P online gaming is a thing.
<3 lol
Acquiescence
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It's a bit harsh to single out one guy when about 99% of people who posted in that thread fell flat on their face.
pr0cs
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I mean, I realize this is the Sony circle jerk thread and all but I can't imagine a more restrictive industry if Sony didn't have MS to keep them in check, did you happen to forget the $599 ps3? Or perhaps you got a second job like krazy Ken suggested?
Consumers need both companies to survive otherwise there is no competition and no reason to innovate
Yeah them wiping out all the profit they made in the previous generations by losing several hundred dollar per sold PS3 sure was arrogant.
As opposed to a huge fuck-up by the lead architect who also granted himself the budget. Nah, that explanation is too pedestrian.
My PS4 downloads much better now too, but I've seen that it still seems to vary sharply from user to user.
Same. Glad it's fixed...or Sony just invested in better servers.
SonyToo!™
FunkyPajamas
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Setting high price for product = no used games & 24/7 online check. Got it.
Don't you fee the warmth emanating from Microsoft with the restricted lending and selling only to authorized vendors and online-only whose remnants are still felt 2 years after launch.
I'm so glad they have the back of real gamers.
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Just call shit out you think sucks and don't try to invent some narrative that one mega corporation over the other is out there to help you. They help themselves and you can participate in the ride they offer as long as you think it's worth your while.
If you get off and many follow some other company will be there to accept you. Like Chan's Chinese takeout restaurant.
StrongBlackVine
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Yeah I have seen no proof that Sony was planning anything like Microsoft's DRM scheme.
Didn't mean it like that. It's just that what happened with Kojima is something no one could have foreseen. Just pointing that out. I wasn't picking on him.
FranXico
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I was thinking about some stupid mistakes like making the DriveClub PS+ Edition upgrade expire along the PS+ subscription, which they backed out from quickly when they saw people wouldn't buy it.
Another example was the ridiculous push of their own music streaming service. Later, they got smarter and arranged a deal with Spotify instead.
Overall, they've picked up on every potential fuckup pretty quickly and backed out accordingly.
Easy on the SonyToo(tm) accusations, guys. I'm not one of those conspiracy theorists. Not all anti-consumer practices are as big as or related to aggressive DRM.
Wasn't this shown to not be the case a long time ago? They never had online DRM planned at any point but they did have to rewrite their conference to make sure they mentioned they weren't doing it because there was a lot of "Sony too" flying about at the time.
FranXico
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Read my reply.
pr0cs
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He just proved my point without MS Sony would have had free reign to charge whatever they wanted for an overpriced kit with next to no features and without Sony MS would have been compelled to force a 'design by committee ' console that was draconian with its drm and offering shit features no one wanted
The best this industry ever is is when they're both fighting for out business
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