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Werewolf |OT| Was it all just a Dream?
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Eh. I don't like it. If there's enough mafia, it seems like a gambit they might try. Either way, lynching someone who claims to have no power seems fairly reasonable, no?
Lollipop Dave
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Crisis averted. Bakery is open again, please remember to put out your cigarettes before entering the store.
While I agree that them claiming outright pretty much invalidates them, and probably helps mafia, I think lynching them will not turn up scum.
I'd only consider one of them as a last resort if no one else compelling cropped up for the day phase.
Can the baker please contribute to the discussion, and can my votee please contribute more to the discussion.
No. What do we learn if we lynch someone we don't even suspect?
Maybe you do suspect them. Feel free to make that case but "let's just lynch them anyway" is bullshit imo
So do you have a real answer to Cabot's question? Because this feels like pure evasion.
Unless you are saying you think the slip is because Cabot is scum?
Lollipop Dave
Member
I believe double reveal is legit. If one of them is scum or not, I don't know.
The only two people I suspect in the slightest are Darryl and Flux, but mostly because they are acting nothing like the last game (Though you could argue Flux only acted as he did because of Darryl's accusations).
Drop and his deputy.... I approve of Xams suggestion on the town voting, it doesn't stop scum from becoming sheriff but it should help us identify when one does become one.
Oh I thought that Palmer post was a joke for some reason. At least we have a confirmed townie?
Actually now that I think about it, that makes me doubt ultron and xam's claim a little bit since they would have known about the role from the start and would have more reason to make the gambit. Not saying they're scum, but maybe don't deputize either of them?
Actually now that I think about it, that makes me doubt ultron and xam's claim a little bit since they would have known about the role from the start and would have more reason to make the gambit. Not saying they're scum, but maybe don't deputize either of them?
08 [m] RobotNinjaHornets
13 [m] QuantumBro
14 [m] Timeaisis
RNH said he had to go to sleep, he's in the UK with me, so that's one hell of a slumber. QuestionBro and Time haven't posted since the game started.
StarSketch and Tiger have posted but haven't really said anything, I don't think Style has said much either.
We've actually got some useful things to talk about on D1, come on guys!
13 [m] QuantumBro
14 [m] Timeaisis
RNH said he had to go to sleep, he's in the UK with me, so that's one hell of a slumber. QuestionBro and Time haven't posted since the game started.
StarSketch and Tiger have posted but haven't really said anything, I don't think Style has said much either.
We've actually got some useful things to talk about on D1, come on guys!
I just can't stop looking at that slip
I thought this was a play by ultron once I realized the PM was real, but it seems a weird way to get deputized. I'm not sold on them, and Xam suggested voting the deputys in, which was a good suggestion. Currently not considering a lynch.
I did highlight it myself, it's not like I downplayed it.
Flux's drive by on it without talking about anything else is less suspicious?
Also it's not a slip, it works in the context of the post, I just clarified it further because on second read it was bad.
Chill, dude. He asked me about what I was thinking, and I gave it to him. Now I'm thinking about how you ask weird questions, like your very first Day 1 post asking for what Darryl's strategy was going to belike that would help anyone at alland how you establish weird ultimatums like the RNG vote thing.
CornBurrito
Member
If one of them is scum, and it was a gambit to get deputized I think it was a bad gambit.
Securing sheriff in the early game isn't very meaningful imo. Unless this was all set up for later.
Some thoughts on night posts:
if you find anything odd with me in particular, speak up. I can't really respond to posts like yours in any meaningful way if they address nothing in particular.
As for people who I suspect for now, I don't have much but I'm not feeling comfortable with Lollipop Dave. His posts are a bit too fluffy for my taste, except for that post above and a reactionary call to lynch Xam after he claimed I guess. I do find it curious that he calmed down quickly with that call too. Maybe just tone it down a bit with the "padding" posts?
You confused me with Sorian? Damn dude, what'd I ever do to you
if you find anything odd with me in particular, speak up. I can't really respond to posts like yours in any meaningful way if they address nothing in particular.I haven't played a game with a deputy role before, but this sounds pretty reasonable. It reminds me of what I have always suggested we do whenever there's a chance a given day's lynch target might be a lynch-bomb. I generally agree with the idea for today, but we should take into account that if we hold a vote for future days, it might be a way for scum to shield themselves from revealing information through their deputy choice - I think being able to hold sheriffs accountable for their deputy choices is a town advantage we shouldn't discard so easily.
Again, I've never played with this format, but I'd say at a first glance it will decrease in usefulness for town and increase for wolves as the game goes along. I think I like it because it gives us something to talk about on each day, and it might provide some useful reads after a while if scum was ever deputized even if he/she willingly deputizes someone who's town next, but in the long run scum getting their hands on it sounds like a huge risk. Double vote can cause havoc and having good odds of continuing the deputy line onto another scum is another big risk.
As for people who I suspect for now, I don't have much but I'm not feeling comfortable with Lollipop Dave. His posts are a bit too fluffy for my taste, except for that post above and a reactionary call to lynch Xam after he claimed I guess. I do find it curious that he calmed down quickly with that call too. Maybe just tone it down a bit with the "padding" posts?
Well, there's you Splinter, whose head I think would look good on a spike. There's always the threat of scum trying to take control of the conversation, trying to look reasonable, and with you asking "so-and-so, who do you want to kill" is an easy way to look like a helpful townie.
Then there's Cornbro for looking maybe too aggressive on Darryl. Maybe too aggressively scum-like, gives my belly scum rumbles.
There's Xam, whose death might clear Ultron (or not if it was some bold scum maneuver).
If there is anyone who hasn't posted yet, I would like to see them post something. Although I understand if today is not that day, since it's the day of the turkey.
On that note I'm probably not gonna be much a participant for today. I'm currently massaging my turkey.
Lollipop Dave
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That was because he's never had Marmite.
And no fluff here, I'm just a friendly villager going about his day to day routine.
Oh right, my bad. I just looked at the search results and assumed you had reacted to his claim. More fluff then.
There might be another way to do that.
In any case, Flux, I'd like to know what you think of the double roleclaim situation, almost everyone else already expressed their opinion.
Sure thing, Sheriff Drop sir. Despite narrowing down the list of worthwhile Town targets for the wolves if they're both town-aligned, the claims do at least have something for our investigative roles to take into account when they do their thing at night.
One of them could be lying, neither of them could be lying, both of them could be lying... Kinda doubt Xamtheking has it in him to pull that off, though, so they're probably both sleep walkers. Alignment? Who knows.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Some thoughts:
While I personally don't agree with the vote for deputy as I feel it could be exploited, I must admit that town has looked at every angle of it so if we decide to go with it at least I can be in good confidence that we know all the potential flaws.
Dave's character posts are very odd to me. It kinda reminds me of Blarg, except without without any of the rhyme or reason... Well, ok, EVEN LESS rhyme or reason.
While I personally don't agree with the vote for deputy as I feel it could be exploited, I must admit that town has looked at every angle of it so if we decide to go with it at least I can be in good confidence that we know all the potential flaws.
Dave's character posts are very odd to me. It kinda reminds me of Blarg, except without without any of the rhyme or reason... Well, ok, EVEN LESS rhyme or reason.
CrimsonFist
Member
Any means of choosing a deputy is open to exploitation unless we find a way to confirm some other villagers. I have no issue with drop chosing by himself, but once we get down to less people and the extra vote starts to count more, a vote is a safer bet than just leaving it up to a sheriff of unknown alignment.
CornBurrito
Member
I think both systems have their pros and cons.
I still think having a collective vote for the deputy is better. Fireblend mentioned it would take responsibility off the sheriff for Deputy choice, but I think the pros of voting outweigh the cons significantly.
1. A vote is open to manipulation true, but t forces mafia to vote and can force them to make up some explanation for why they are voting for someone. That's information we can potentially work with.
2. A vote means that if a mafia is made Deputy, we can more easily take back control of it. They'll get the double vote for the day, but if they don't deputize who we ask their ass is on the line next day.
I still think having a collective vote for the deputy is better. Fireblend mentioned it would take responsibility off the sheriff for Deputy choice, but I think the pros of voting outweigh the cons significantly.
1. A vote is open to manipulation true, but t forces mafia to vote and can force them to make up some explanation for why they are voting for someone. That's information we can potentially work with.
2. A vote means that if a mafia is made Deputy, we can more easily take back control of it. They'll get the double vote for the day, but if they don't deputize who we ask their ass is on the line next day.
Lollipop Dave
Member
idk, he could have picked up some tricks since the last game finished.
I can without a doubt tell you that I am a villager.
don't get too distracted by my nonsense, especially when the real threat could be right in front of you!
and please remember to eat your toast, it keeps your energy levels high all throughout the morning.
This is the main reason why I think we should do it. It forces them into a little play that hopefully causes some slips.
CornBurrito
Member
Honestly I think it is going to end up fucking over town. I forsee mafia setting it up so that they get the double vote and put us all in Lylo. However I see a vote based system making that less likely to occur.
As for me talking about Deputy, it is the hot topic of the day. I also don't have much else to discuss. I've read other posts in this thread and don't have solid reads on other people. Cabot reads town to me. I think Darryl is mafia. Czar is a slight town read to me.
Meanwhile we've had some people be dead silent, which worries me. If I do change my vote from Darryl I'm probably going to vote for someone who has been dead silent. But in a game with so many players, I imagine a lot of the silent dudes are just villagers with nothing to really add/say.
So if the risk is against us and in the favor of the wolves, why don't we just let the Sheriff role die with the OG Sheriff instead of spreading the virus around? Even if the power is in our control, it doesn't necessarily give us an advantage over werewolves when double voting can result in a Town lynch.
However, if a werewolf ever ends up being Deputized, they know exactly who to use the power against. Deputies only become Sheriffs when the Sheriff dies, and the only way a Werewolf can die is by a Serial Killer or a town lynch. If the Town majority voted for the Deputy who then became a Sheriffdespite secretly being a Werewolfwhy would we then lynch them? They'd have a ton of renown with us and evade suspicion for a long time; it wouldn't even matter who they chose to be a Deputy every day because they wouldn't die anyways.
The way I see it, we could just let the power stay with Drop forever, instead of turning us against each other and being way more paranoid than we are already when it moves on from someone we know for sure is Town.
If I'm not mistaken that isn't a possibility. The Sheriff must choose a deputy.
CrimsonFist
Member
If we're doing reads now, I'll agree with Cabot being town. He's been pretty much leading discussion so far after all, and Darryl would be one of my bigger suspects for mafia, especially considering that he seemed pretty insistent on getting the deputy role earlier.
Aside from that, Flux's less frequent posting style stands out, although his reasoning is understandable, and I'm not sure I entirely believe Xam's claim, but then that topic has been discussed to death at this point anyway. I don't really feel like I have a good enough read on anyone else at this point.
and for the sake of furthering discussion: Style, you haven't said much, and I thought you made some pretty good reads in the last game. What are your thoughts on things?
We can't, he has to nominate someone.
Aside from that, Flux's less frequent posting style stands out, although his reasoning is understandable, and I'm not sure I entirely believe Xam's claim, but then that topic has been discussed to death at this point anyway. I don't really feel like I have a good enough read on anyone else at this point.
and for the sake of furthering discussion: Style, you haven't said much, and I thought you made some pretty good reads in the last game. What are your thoughts on things?
We can't, he has to nominate someone.
Right, I just reread Drop's role PM and saw that capitalization.
Ah well, there goes that idea.
I said there was something we can do to prevent the wolves to get the role, and I think Flux had the same idea, there is a way.
Sounds like a heroic sacrifice scenario to me, Sheriff, and I'm not too sure about the idea of having any of us intentionally killed.
But...
If it works. I think stamping it out would be better than perpetuating it.
CrimsonFist
Member
Self sacrifice before picking someone would probably count as a loophole, not sure if we'd be able to get away with that, considering rule 32.
I'm suspicious of Darryl, although I'm not sure if that's just because he's being aggressive.
That said, just out of curiosity, why would scum want to get the deputy role this early on? It seems to me like it'd be a way to unnecessarily put yourself on the spotlight. I could see it if the intent was to somehow get town's trust by deputizing whoever they want, but I don't think whatever amount of trust that would get you, which wouldn't be much IMO, would be worth it. I don't doubt if anyone had some crazy day-1 deputy scum strategy it could well be Darryl though
Pf, like that'd matter. The Gods wouldn't be able to do anything but kill Drop or flood the town.
But I get what the Sheriff is putting down.
I know you ended up misreading the role, but this thought was dangerous to me, you want to kill a confirmed town member?
That's a pretty important bedrock, we know whatever drop says or does will not have the potential for ulterior motives that are anti-town, and assuming he's not an idiot, he's playing with the intentions of a town win in everything he does.
Double vote is not powerful right now, a confirmed town is. Your argument also conveniently forgets that there will most likely be a doctor somewhere, and a good doctor's duty is to protect confirmed/near confirmed roles. I think Drop should be safe for a little while.
Well, I was more hoping for a reaction from you and other players. If you had called attention to it, I thought others would pile on seeing as you are Village-aligned, and there could have been wolves among them. Instead, what we got was a bunch of people with some vague statements saying "I'd be suspicious of anyone who pushes for their own deputization", but nobody openly calling me out. Still not sure what to make of that, but it feels like the sort of excuse a wolf could hide behind.
I'm going to look more closely at those who made those vague statements, as I feel like the wolves would have wanted to distance themselves from the whole deputization thing. They gain hardly anything from it in the early stages of the game, it's unnecessary attention on them.
I will also look at those who were suspicious of the sleepwalker claims right off the bat.
So, here are a list of nominations for Deputy so far:
1. Darryl (self-nominated)
2. Swamped (self-nominated)
3. Boo Boo'n (self-nominated)
4. Ultron (by popular demand)
I would also like to add:
5. Drop's personal nomination (take your time, no rush. This will be based on your own reads for today and who you think is most Village.)
At first I thought this was a CzarTim joke, but you seem serious? So here is the truth: I am a Village.
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Regarding Dave's posts - I don't think a wolf would post so fluffily. I am unsure if a neutral would. I think he's Village.
Heh, nice try attempting to put words in my mouth as a kind of "gotcha!" attempt, but you should probably re-read the above exchange.
Basically: Not Deputizing someone. I didn't say, "Let's kill the bastard for being a Sheriff!"
I don't think we need to worry about the sheriff today. Would be super ballsy of the mafia to kill such an obvious target night one. Not to mention super lame killing a newbie.
Double vote is only a threat to town the day the day before lylo. By that point we hopefully will have some confirmed townies (assuming there's a cop) or at least some solid town reads to deputize.
Double vote is only a threat to town the day the day before lylo. By that point we hopefully will have some confirmed townies (assuming there's a cop) or at least some solid town reads to deputize.
I'm not ready for this game to have entire villages as a single person.
Don't really see where I've misinterpreted. You say let it die with the OG Sheriff.
Your reaction is odd. If you wanted to be clear maybe dont use the word die when describing.
Here's a secret: people die in this game. And, *gasp*, maybe even the Sheriff will eventually bite it. If he didn't Deputize anyone before he did... well, guess what? No one else becomes Sheriff and the only person who would have ever been Sheriff would have been Drop!
Man, what an odd reaction, huh. I feel like I'm at a circus just thinking about it.
There was no cop in the last game, I think Palmer likes this idea.
Basically: don't get your hopes up about a cop.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
I agree, in fact I highly doubt they would even attempt it as the Doc(assuming we have one of course) would probably make Drop their first priority save.
CrimsonFist
Member
I'm suspicious of Darryl, although I'm not sure if that's just because he's being aggressive.
That said, just out of curiosity, why would scum want to get the deputy role this early on? It seems to me like it'd be a way to unnecessarily put yourself on the spotlight. I could see it if the intent was to somehow get town's trust by deputizing whoever they want, but I don't think whatever amount of trust that would get you, which wouldn't be much IMO, would be worth it. I don't doubt if anyone had some crazy day-1 deputy scum strategy it could well be Darryl though
I guess you're right, it was just that he made a few posts insisting on it that bugged me. There would probably have been more benefit to controlling it before we agreed on the voting, but at this point, whoever gets it is kind of irrelevant.