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Werewolf |OT| Was it all just a Dream?

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Makai

Member
CzarTim said:
Err wasn't he visited by swamped and QB?
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Ok, I definitely think he just copied Burbeting's claim.

Burbeting said:
Night 1 – Makai – No one visited
I voyeured Makai in Night 1, because of his soft-claim during D1, that made me assume he and Lollipop Dave are Lovers. I was originally going to voyeur Drop the first night, but the soft claim made me change my mind. However, no one visited, no scum or no town. This made me actually a bit angry, because I had basically wasted the first night, so I tried to press on Makai and Lollipop Dave about the claim. Because why was there no scum visit, if they would have thought that the two might be lovers?
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He forgot a crucial detail, though...
 
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Warxard

Banned
CrimsonFist said:
Night 3 I visited rats off to ya, he wasn't visited by anyone.

Night 4 I visited FluxwaveZ, he was visited by Boo Boo'n.
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Now hold on, if you're going to claim I visited Fluxwave night four (I TARGETED him) then you also have to consider that I 'visited' (Targeted) Rats' Off To Ya the same night as well.

Either you're getting the terms 'target'/'visit' mixed up, you have to consider that I can only 'target' people during the night phase as a tracker.
 
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Warxard

Banned
Wait a fucking minu--

Welcome El Topo Burbeting!

You are a Village-aligned Voyeur.

Each Night, you may PM me the command Voyeur: <target>. You will see any actions performed on your target, but not by whom. You can also vote during the day as usual.

Villagers win when they&#8217;ve eliminated all threats to the Village.
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What's going on here CrimsonFist
 
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Warxard

Banned
01 [m] CrimsonFist - New - SCUM???
04 [m] Lollipop Dave - New - VILLAGER
05 [m] FluxWaveZ - New - COWARD/SCUM???
06 [m] CzarTim - ODD-NIGHT WEAK COP
08 [m] RobotNinjaHornets - Replaced by Trigger
09 [m] ultron87 - SLEEPWALKER
11 [f] StarSketch - Replaced by Sawneeks
12 [m] Septimus Prime
14 [m] Timeaisis
19 [m] Makai
20 [m] batsnacks - WITCH
23 [m] Rats Off To Ya - HUNTER
28 [m] Boo Boo 'n - New TRACKER
29 [m] Fireblend
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We need to hear from the other six.
 
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CzarTim

Member
ultron87 said:
Where's the Flux contradiction? Can't dig back through stuff right now.
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Sorry, I should explain. I told a bit of lie wrt my role. I am an odd-night Hider, which is the role flux is claiming to have. The thing is my role name is Hider not coward.

I was hoping to avoid the whole scum can kill two people revaluation.
 
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Warxard

Banned
01 [m] CrimsonFist - New - SHERIFF/SCUM???
04 [m] Lollipop Dave - New - VILLAGER
05 [m] FluxWaveZ - New - COWARD/SCUM???
06 [m] CzarTim - ODD-NIGHT WEAK COP
08 [m] RobotNinjaHornets - Replaced by Trigger
09 [m] ultron87 - SLEEPWALKER
11 [f] StarSketch - Replaced by Sawneeks
12 [m] Septimus Prime - VILLAGER
14 [m] Timeaisis
19 [m] Makai - WIZARD
20 [m] batsnacks - WITCH
23 [m] Rats Off To Ya - HUNTER
28 [m] Boo Boo 'n - New TRACKER
29 [m] Fireblend
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Makai, you and batsnacks aren't like lovers are you?
 
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FluxWaveZ

Member
CzarTim said:
Sorry, I should explain. I told a bit of lie wrt my role. I am an odd-night Hider, which is the role flux is claiming to have. The thing is my role name is Hider not coward.

I was hoping to avoid the whole scum can kill two people revaluation.
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Uh... I'm the one lying? My power doesn't have nightly limitations. Why the heck would a power like yours have limitations anyways when it does something like immediately kill you if you target scum?

To me, it sounds like you copy-pasted a role from game 1 and slightly adjusted it to make it sound different. The hider was a game 1 role, and it didn't have any odd night limitations or whatever.

Let me ask you something: can you be targeted by investigation roles when you use your supposed ability?
 
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Timeaisis

Member
So we're all claiming now, huh? Are we lylo? If we are, I suppose I can claim if everyone really, really wants me to.

Also,

VOTE: CrimsonFist

Burb made an excellent argument against Crimson a few days ago. I found Crimson very suspicious as well. He hasn't died yet AND he just seemingly screwed up his "defense". Unless we can get a pretty solid explanation on what's going on with his role, I'm all for lynching him.

I'll try to dig up some relevant posts on earlier suspicions of Crimson and post them. No shit they have been trying to kill the Deputy.
 
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Palmer_v1

Member
I am Sparkles Jr., The Unordinary Cat.

Once Sparkles is killed, I become a NK Immune 5 Headed Dragon. Each head can investigate a different player at Night, unless Dobby the Elf is still in play. If Dobby is alive, I'm just a lynch bomb.
 
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CzarTim

Member
FluxWaveZ said:
Uh... I'm the one lying? My power doesn't have nightly limitations. Why the heck would a power like yours have limitations anyways when it does something like immediately kill you if you target scum?

To me, it sounds like you copy-pasted a role from game 1 and slightly adjusted it to make it sound different. The hider was a game 1 role, and it didn't have any odd night limitations or whatever.

Let me ask you something: can you be targeted by investigation roles when you use your supposed ability?
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Wait do you not die if you visit scum? I think I misread what you said,

No I'm immune to all night actions on odd-numbered nights.
 
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Timeaisis

Member
Burbeting said:
Question Time!

This game has it's doctor (cabot) dead. The one-shot-reviver (suppoused) has used it's one shot. That means, that there is more likely no more healing roles left.

So then, how is CrimsonFist still alive, after being Sheriff for quite some time? Sheriff, whose doublevote role is suppousedly quite dangerous power for the scum, if it's in the hands of town.

Something to think about.
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Burbeting said:
Problem I have with Crimson still living:

Firstly, I believe that the Scums want to keep the Double-vote power alive. Some people in topic have said that the scum want to get rid of it, but I think they want to pass the power to other scums. Having double-power in their side means, that they would be able to use the doublevote at a possibly very important moment, like when town is at LYLO.

In the first night, Drop died. This was not really a gigantic surprise, and I still stand very surely with the fact that Cabot was guarding him, but scum strongman bypassed that guard. If we assume Batsnacks is telling the truth, he could have revived Drop, but went for Ultron instead (a stupid decision IMO). Crimson then became the Sheriff.

Now then, CrimsonFist has had the town-read from most of the game so far, and he has also the power of the sheriff. Timeaisis wrote that the scum wouldn’t bother to target him, and I guess I could agree with it, if he was not seen as town by so many players. The Scums want to kill mostly sure town, and Crimson has fit the bill for the most so far, hasn’t he?

For night 2, it was easy enough to see in hindsight, why Cabot was targeted. He had bread crumped a protective role, and he was deputized. I want to believe that this power of the deputy is the reason, why the scum decided to go for him. And yes, I believe the scum targeted him, with batsnacks as well. I want to almost say, that I’m positively sure about this.

So then, Crimson didn’t die N2, because the Scum decided to go for Cabot. Maybe they hoped that Crimson would be killed by some other killing force, who trusted cabot more than him, who knows? So I made the assumption, that the scum team would be sure to kill CrimsonFist, or even more likely, the next deputy, during the third night, just like Cabot had died. I even mentioned this yesterday:



However, come today, neither Crimson, or I, have died. Instead, MattyG is dead. Really, MattyG? As I said, it was not surprising that MattyG was targeted last night, but there were so much more valuable targets for the Scum team to go for!

- There is CrimsonFist, the town Sheriff, who had so far only deputized people who he had seen as town, and who was seen as town by many. If they killed Crimson, but left me alive, the scum might have tried to manipulate me to deputise one of their members.
- Me, the deputy. If my guess is correct that Cabot was primarily killed for being the deputy N2, I would have been N3 target for sure. Also, I have been seen as town by many.

However, the Scum decide to kill MattyG instead. This is just very, very odd movement from the scum team, MattyG had been a very low contributor to the game, and not really helping the town at all. Only thing he had going for was the soft-claim, but judging by how Makai/Dave were later heavily watched from the odd D1 softclaim/baker business, Matty would have later been a point of discussion for the town, a point that would have distracted us from the scumhunt.

So then, why leave me and Crimson alive, especially Crimson who seems to be widely seen as town AND has the doublevote? Assuming that the Scums want the doublevote power for themselves, and not completely eradicate it, this leads into questions. Why was Matty killed, out of all people?

Well, there is the possibility, that Crimson is scum, and that side already has the doublevote. As for letting me live, there is a real possibility that the scum team thought, that it would look suspicious, if deputies kept dying during the nights, yet the current sherrif just keeps on living. You know, to stir the pot?

What I am saying is, killing MattyG does not make sense to me, especially if CrimsonFist is town. Something really weird is going on here.

There is the possibility of another doctor, or switcher or blocker saving Crimson last night. I doubt that there is a switcher though, somehow I have the feeling that Palmer does not like that kind of role? (At least he disliked the scum switcher of mgs). Doctor clone could be a possibility, but I doubt it, blocker would be the best guess.

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I'm going to look at Rats off to ya! next.
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Timeaisis said:
Very good analysis. It is weird neither of you have died (you and Crimson that, is). As I said earlier, I feel like if scum were going to make their move on the Sheriff last night, they'd probably try to kill you both off at the same time. However, if Crimson is scum, obviously they'd just want to off you (or maybe not?).

However, what would scum gain by killing the deputy if the Sheriff were already scum? Well, piece of mind that the double kill wouldn't go to village if ever the Sheriff were killed. So there's that. But, I don't think many suspected Crimson yesterday. But if they were worried about that, they'd definitely go for you sooner rather than later, like last night. But you didn't die. Neither did Crimson. That is weird. Hell, Crimson hasn't died for two whole nights while being the Sheriff.

I have a feeling one of you were targeted last night, because neither of you died. And you are right, that is weird. The more we talk about this, the more I suspect a switcher switched Crimson with MattyG. But that still doesn't account for the (probable) other kill that should've happened last night.
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Burbeting said:
Thinking about this, these are the reasons why the scum would have let me alive, if Crimson is scum:

1. To stir the pot, after killing Deputy Cabot in N2 (to make sure no suspicion comes to Crimson).
2. To make me look suspicious, as the deputy Cabot had been killed, why was deputy Burbeting alive?

Other than that... not sure at the moment. However, what you said made me think about another possibility, the fact that the scum didn't need to even care about the deputies at that point, if Crimson is scum. Crimson had already town read from majority, so they didn't need to fear of some force like a town sided killer, to kill him. In that case they could just have killed Cabot N2 just because of his doctor breadcrumping, and let me live. Hmmh.
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Timeaisis said:
CrimsonFist didn't vote a all yesterday...
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Here's the relevant arguments Burb and I made against Crimson a few days ago. I think they still speak for themselves, today.
 
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