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PlayStation 4 hits 35.9 million sold through to end users

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The Artisan

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The Baron Count said:
Nothing bad about the thing selling well at all, I don't think I said anything of the sort. I just said that it doesn't currently have much to offer me. I only bought one a few months ago for that reason and the fact that this year very much DOES have a lot to offer me.

I would have bought the fucking thing for Nier alone.
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The beginning of your post made it sound like you were annoyed with others being enthusiastic about its sales and later you talked about the lack of first party quality titles.

EDIT: saw your edit. if there's nothing on there for you personally then that's that. Maybe I misread part of your post.
 
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GameAddict411

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Publishers will think really hard the next time they give microsoft a timed exclusive. I would be interested to know the xo install base, but I doubt it's anywhere near the ps4.
 
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Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Square Enix, you've made a rather large financial error, but you can make it up with Dissida FF which will be a lifetime exclusive apparently... And giving us Rise of the Tomb Raider with a discount.

BigDug13 said:
Maybe that's the same holiday after 2 years of system release.
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That's not true for either PS2 or PS3 there. One came out in March 2000 and the other in November 2006. It doesn't line up.

It's probably best holiday season.
 
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oSoLucky

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The lack of context in the usual #nogames argument is pretty ridiculous on a forum that is so-called a nexus for hardcore gamers. We are barely over 2 years into the generation. Surely everyone can see that Sony choosing to support the PS3 until the end(LITERALLY) of last generation. On top of that, a few studios were sent to support the Vita(say what you will about Sony's support of it, but games were made that took resources).

Sure, they could have saved God of War: Ascension, The Last of Us, Gran Turismo 6, Puppeteer, Rain, Beyond: Two Souls(pub), Ratchet and Clank: Into the Nexus(pub), Gravity Rush, and the resources for Killzone: Mercenary, Uncharted: GA, etc. all for PS4, but then there would have been a huge outcry about cutting support and letting their system(s) coast just like there was for the 360/Wii. I'm fine with the way things turned out, and IMO it builds goodwill knowing that support won't get cut early, even if it takes a little while to get into the full swing of things.

My last point, is that a game being available on more than one system doesn't make it automatically disappear from the list of available games on other systems. They should count for all systems they're available on, not the other way around. We who own all 6 current platforms are in the extreme minority, and most of the industry doesn't revolve around catering to us.
 
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PeregrinSe7en

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ShadowkillXNA said:
This is what happens when you deliver what consumers want with no bullshit.
The best and most powerful console platform for games this generation with the biggest and highest quality games library. All at the best or at least competitive price.
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and when you don't treat your userbase as criminals.

great news for sony and the playstation brand.
 
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Mahonay

Banned
GameAddict411 said:
Publishers will think really hard the next time they give microsoft a timed exclusive. I would be interested to know the xo install base, but I doubt it's anywhere near the ps4.
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WW, no it's not very close.

NA is currently the only territory where XB1 is close with PS4.
 
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Mooreberg

Member
Very impressive. The steady flow of first and third party games this year should keep things going. Naughty Dog could not have asked for better timing.
 
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BoxyBrown

Banned
JumPeRJumPzZ said:
Its cool and all, but i dont understand why its still selling so well.

I mean since its launch, nothing really improved in OS or Services aka PSN. Some of the first Party games for my taste are really uninteresting and really dont provide much if you are multiplayer gamer.

I mean XboxOne IMO does it way better at the moment. Monthly OS Updates, we got a completly redesigned and faster UI, BC and the Games with Gold selection is way better too over the month and with BC even better.

Sure its great that its selling well, but i really cant understand it. Sure the Hardware is better. But cmon nobody can deny that Sony is really lazy so far.
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I didn't buy my PS4 for monthly OS updates or a completely redesigned UI. I bought it to play games and it does that really well.
 
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Raist

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The Baron Count said:
The SSM situation sucks.

As far as ND and PD, I guess this is just the downside to them releasing games at the end of a generation, which is why a lot of people were kind of annoyed at that.
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I think at the end of the day it's preferable to still have big titles release very late in a console's life cycle, even if that means a bit more time to have to wait for the next one. Both for customers and devs.
 
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eFKac

Member
Fuck yeah, good numbers. Good Holiday as well.

Anyone can provide what was Sony's estimation for the PS4 at the end of the fiscal year? Wasn't it like 36, 38 million and shipped at that?
 
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The Baron Count

Member
Raist said:
I think at the end of the day it's preferable to still have big titles release very late in a console's life cycle, even if that means a bit more time to have to wait for the next one. Both for customers and devs.
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Worked out for ND for sure. In the grand scheme of things GT6 was incredibly successful as well though not to the same degree that we have come to expect I don't think.
 
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Conduit

Banned
Draft said:
dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.
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But they are PlayStation platform exclusives : game on PS4 with PS3/PSV and nowhere else or console exclusives : PS4/PC and nowhere else.
 
DeepEnigma

DeepEnigma

Gold Member
wapplew said:
You mean past and this gen?
I buy PS3 for TLG, bless Ueda. Also Dreams surely couldn't make it into 2016, but we get beta this year! Give players time to build level for the main game.
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Yeah, hahaha, it was my most on the PS3 as well, but was very content with the ICO/SotC remaster. The framerate improvements to SotC made me a happy camper.

As soon as the PS4 was announced then released, I just had a gut feeling it was going to move over to it.
 
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Ryng_tolu

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Primethius said:
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Epic avatar quote. xD
 
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Pancake Mix

Copied someone else's pancake recipe
The Baron Count said:
I just think it's a little weird to be so invested in the sales of something.
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This is NeoGAF, a nexus of hardcore sales figures.

This gen has been problematic for sales too so any good news is really good news. Xbox One is currently outpacing its predecessor thanks to great holiday sales, but only PS4 has shown significant growth generation over generation.

Vita flopped harder than anything else this gen with the Wii U right behind it, and the 3DS looks to sell maybe 65 million at most, compares to 150 million for DS.

Tough gen but PS4 sales figures are great.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore

Member
Well damn Sony.


All in all, I feel bad for those who have limited taste and blame the lack of first party exclusive (but ironically won't acknowledge that their lack of taste is really the problem with the output) on third party partnerships.

Imo, Sony has done a great job in not just giving AAA but giving (what they do best) diversed experiences. Everything doesn't have to be an AAA and everything doesn't have to be the small bit but they have done a good job in at least trying to fit in everything for the lack of their big showing which is coming out for this year.

On top of that, I liked that they recognized that for some, it is disappointing compared to other years but at the same time, keeping close with partners to make sure all content that is being released.. Is done at least to a higher degree whether that be graphically, technically and giving those resources for that.

Congrats I guess.
 
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Heimbeck

Banned
DeepEnigma said:
And making truckloads on image sensors, insurance, entertainment, etc. Playstation isn't even their most profitable division of the lot.

They also may cut ties with smartphones and televisions and expect to boost profits 25 times by the next 3 years. They are no longer in trouble.
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Isn't their entertainment just PlayStation though?
 
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The Baron Count

Member
EleventhHourSuperpower said:
This is NeoGAF, a nexus of hardcore sales figures.

This gen has been problematic for sales too so any good news is really good news. Xbox One is currently outpacing its predecessor thanks to great holiday sales, but only PS4 has shown significant growth generation over generation.

Vita flopped harder than anything else this gen with the Wii U right behind it, and the 3DS looks to sell maybe 65 million at most, compares to 150 million for DS.

Tough gen but PS4 sales figures are great.
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Shit, I always totally forget about the handheld space. I don't know if there is much to be done there. Smart phones are a powerful force but I'm glad consoles are doing well. Except Nintendo...

Bring on the NX I guess.
 
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EGM1966

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Pretty damn impressive. And can people seriously just accept that this gen exclusives are a minor demand driver?

It's that simple. The bulk of the mass market this gen (so far) is buying a console to play the popular multi-platform games. A fraction of that market is buying for exclusives.

As the PS4 generally has the best version of multi-platform games plus Sony has marketed very well with timed or exclusive extra content (which I don't like personally but its good business strategy) it is selling the most.

MS has managed to leverage good deals, price and as much brand loyalty as it can muster to sell strongly in US and UK too but the console simply can't overcome the advantages PS4 has with multi-platform games.

Now I'm not saying exclusives don't matter but they are no longer the main reason to buy a console for the average consumer anymore.

Arguing Sony is failing with slow exclusive release is to ignore what they got right with the design of the console and putting a big bet of partnerships for multi-platform games and they're ignoring the clear evidence from the market that their overall strategy is a winner.
 
Papacheeks

Papacheeks

Banned
The Baron Count said:
Ya know, this fucking "salt" thing has got to be the biggest killer of actual intelligent discussion and debate that we have had in years.

Everybody that doesn't jump on the Sony love bandwagon isn't fucking "salty". Shit is so incredibly childish. As is the personal investment I am seeing from some people in Sony's sales, it's like friggin listening to sports fans talk about how "we're" gonna do this or "we" did that when referencing a team of individuals who don't know nor care about them. Get a grip.

I'm glad this thing is selling. It's good for this entire industry to have a console with this kind of runaway success, but I also feel that for me personally Sony themselves haven't done a great job so far. The main point being SONY. There are tons of great 3rd party games on the PS4 and that is ultimately what sells consoles, it always has been. However me and many others associate the Playstation brand with a certain level of first party support. An area that Sony has excelled in in every other generation and one where they have been faltering quite a bit this gen so far.

A lot of their biggest franchises are MIA, and that is why I personally don't feel like it's a great platform for me at the moment. I buy Playstation consoles for Sony games. I also primarily play on PC so their exclusives are the absolute only thing I have the PS4 for.

I am well aware that many others aren't like this and if it's your one system then the lineup so far has been pretty damn solid, though it really wasn't until 2015 which saw tons of great stuff release for it.

I also don't think the whole "it has no games" thing is accurate at all. Obviously that's complete bullshit. But it looks to me like the idea of new hardware is selling it just as much as software this time around.

I just want Sony to start releasing the games in the franchises that I have cared about for years. The constant delays of Uncharted are really an underline to this point. I am always on board with devs taking time to make games the best they can be, but so far a lot of their best first party studios have barely shown anything. That's where the disappointment stems from for me personally.

Regardless, it's good that it's successful. I hope it keeps them on the route they are on now rather than the way they were last gen. And I SURE as fuck hope it shows people that consoles aren't going anywhere.
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Reason it's taken so long with First Party was hey were supporting PS3 during ramp up to PS4.

2013 they had The last of US, Gran Turismo, The puppeteer, God of war:Acsension, MLB the show release all while releasing the PS4 with New IP's.

It takes time. Which is why 2016 looks so stacked. Everyone who was working on their games after their previous title in 2013 are ready to release their new game.
 
Bitch Pudding

Bitch Pudding

Member
The Artisan said:
As for its exclusive games, I think that argument doesn't hold all that much merit. First of all, sony shouldn't have to rely on its previously existing IPs to capture audiences and the audiences/fans shouldn't hold on to just those as yearly expectations.
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I agree with that, furthermore, I think it's one of Sony's biggest strength to be able to come up with extraordinary new IPs each and every generation. They don't rely on established IPs as much as others do, they even abandon them if they think time has moved on. Not each and every IP becomes a system seller, but they ad to a really great library which feels just fresh and divers. MS and Nintendo of course try as well to come up with new IPs, but especially MS still relies too much on established IPs. We can already see a Halo, Forza and Gears fatigue and so far MS wasn't able to come up with a new IP that can keep up with those.

For this very reason people started underestimating the importance of 1st party IPs.
 
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The Baron Count

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EGM1966 said:
Pretty damn impressive. And can people seriously just accept that this gen exclusives are a minor demand driver?

It's that simple. The bulk of the mass market this gen (so far) is buying a console to play the popular multi-platform games. A fraction of that market is buying for exclusives.

As the PS4 generally has the best version of multi-platform games plus Sony has marketed very well with timed or exclusive extra content (which I don't like personally but its good business strategy) it is selling the most.

MS has managed to leverage good deals, price and as much brand loyalty as it can muster to sell strongly in US and UK too but the console simply can't overcome the advantages PS4 has with multi-platform games.

Now I'm not saying exclusives don't matter but they are no longer the main reason to buy a console for the average consumer anymore.

Arguing Sony is failing with slow exclusive release is to ignore what they got right with the design of the console and putting a big bet of partnerships for multi-platform games and they're ignoring the clear evidence from the market that their overall strategy is a winner.
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This really is something I'm having a hard time accepting. Exclusives have always been what defined a console for me and this is also the first gen that the PC has been my primary platform for.

Just need to get used to the smaller emphasis on them I guess.
 
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The Artisan

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Bitch Pudding said:
I agree with that, furthermore, I think it's one of Sony's biggest strength to be able to come up with extraordinary new IPs each and every generation. They don't rely on established IPs as much as others do, they even abandon them if they think time has moved on. Not each and every IP becomes a system seller, but they ad to a really great library which feels just fresh and divers. MS and Nintendo of course try as well to come up with new IPs, but especially MS still relies too much on established IPs. We can already see a Halo, Forza and Gears fatigue and so far MS wasn't able to come up with a new IP that can keep up with those.

For this very reason people started underestimating the importance of 1st party IPs.
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yep. Uncharted has basically become Sony's Halo, for all intents and purposes, but Sony seems to be respecting ND's wishes of letting Uncharted have a peaceful rest. Maybe they'll get revisit it in the future but it will be a different uncharted.

there may or may not be a franchise to come out of tlou and if there is, I don't see it going passed a trilogy or a tetralogy, either. horizon zero dawn is pretty much named like it is going to become a franchise, though.

However...the one ship sony continues to sale is gran turismo, lol. although perhaps it lost a bit of momentum with GT6, this'll be one IP sony will probably pump out for every console they have.
 
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le.phat

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Draft said:
dang @ that PS4 top 10 on Metacritic. Bloodborne the only exclusive. Everything else either on PC or PS3. No wonder so many Gaffers don't think the PS4 has many games. They've already played most of the heavy hitters.
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No gaffer that's worth a damn thinks the ps4 has little games. It's nice that PC gets in on PS4's killer library, but i mean really now: 18 million sold consoles in a years time. Do your really think these people care about wether a game is also on PC ?

Ps4 is the premier place to play games this generation, wether its indies, 3rd party games, asian games, are big sony blockbusters. Every other platform is an afterthought.
 
Freeman

Freeman

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Don't read too much on the first 35m sales, its a marathon not a race, someone should inform Sony of that.
 
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