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Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.

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Insane Metal

Insane Metal

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LordOfChaos said:
I just noticed Wiki had the correct math for the shader and vertex Gflops, but then for no particular reason gave the RSX 400, lol. Should have been 230 total, 190 shader.
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Updated chart... Wii U included!

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Malus

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Vena said:
Yes, they would be going out of their way to do it. If you have a CPU clocked noticeably higher (and 20-30% is a noticeable boost) it would be illogical to go with not only worse RAM configurations but also to skimp on the GPU. Its a completely nonsensical pathway of approach of bottlenecking your own performance gains unless you wanted some super low thermal envelope... at which point you wouldn't be clocking your CPU at 20-30% higher than the competition.

You'd just be bottlenecking yourself all over the place, and Nintendo knows how much that sucks (and are on record) from the WiiU (and, heck, the 3DS given how much they supped it up in the N3DS).

If they have a substantial boost in CPU speeds, they're going to have either as good as or better than RAM/GPU performances as their contemporaries.
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I agree with all of this as a biased Nintendo fan that wants lots of power.
 
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MK_768

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So he said that info on a Direct is coming next week and Mario 3D may be revealed later this month. For an indie game dev he sure knows a lot about what Nintendo is plannin to do. He's now going from being a NX leaker to a Nintendo leaker.

Also, the 3D Mario bit is kinda weird. We have a reliable rumor that we'll see Zelda next at E3. Why would Nintendo reveal a 3D Mario, supposedly in a Direct, but then leave out Zelda?
 
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Malus

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MK_768 said:
So he said that info on a Direct is coming next week and Mario 3D may be revealed later this month. For an indie game dev he sure knows a lot about what Nintendo is plannin to do. He's now going from being a NX leaker to a Nintendo leaker.

Also, the 3D Mario bit is kinda weird. We have a reliable rumor that we'll see Zelda next at E3. Why would Nintendo reveal a 3D Mario, supposedly in a Direct, but then leave out Zelda?
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There's really no point in seriously trying to analyze his rumors. the guy is posting on the bootleg NX subreddit and has failed verification multiple times, as well as posting complete nonsense. His posts are just good for the entertainment value.
 
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DrWong

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Malus said:
There's really no point in seriously trying to analyze his rumors. the guy is posting on the bootleg NX subreddit and has failed verification multiple times, as well as posting complete nonsense. His posts are just good for the entertainment value.
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Even as a joke :]
 
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MK_768

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Malus said:
There's really no point in seriously trying to analyze his rumors. the guy is posting on the bootleg NX subreddit and has failed verification multiple times, as well as posting complete nonsense. His posts are just good for the entertainment value.
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meh, I'm bored lol. Plus, he's reading this thread. I've never taken him seriously nor will I cause nothing he has said as come to fruition.

It's just funny he's stringing along this devkit picture. I'm curious about it.
 
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Hero of Legend

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Why is the PS3 CPU so damn high there? That's the Cell right? PS4K is supposed to have such a huge GPU boost over the regular PS4?

Edit: I see the fine print below now.
 
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Nanashrew

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MK_768 said:
So he said that info on a Direct is coming next week and Mario 3D may be revealed later this month. For an indie game dev he sure knows a lot about what Nintendo is plannin to do. He's now going from being a NX leaker to a Nintendo leaker.

Also, the 3D Mario bit is kinda weird. We have a reliable rumor that we'll see Zelda next at E3. Why would Nintendo reveal a 3D Mario, supposedly in a Direct, but then leave out Zelda?
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There's no way the indie dev knows anything. We already had the Gunman Clive dev come in the thread earlier and stated as such when he was sending in trailers to Nintendo to be submitted for a Direct and anything else he knew nothing.

The indie knows nothing about the other games. And everyone who keeps mentioning a Direct with Star Fox means it's not happening. Star Fox was already in a Direct and the embargo for the game ended like a day or two ago.

Also yeah, it's dumb to leave out Zelda especially after today when we got a solid rumor. And it was to be expected that Zelda U was getting an NX and it is to be expected to hear about Zelda at this E3. A total blow out for Zelda U since its expected this year.

EDIT: oh for a Direct, of course they'd leave it out, and a new 3D Mario when we're two months away from E3. Their biggest hitters will not be in a Direct before E3.
 
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MK_768

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Hero of Legend said:
Why is the PS3 CPU so damn high there? That's the Cell right? PS4K is supposed to have such a huge GPU boost over the regular PS4?
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PS3 is known for the high CPU. I still see stories about how PS3s are used outside of gaming for technical reasons. I mean, remember it was a $600 console lmfao.
 
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Joegrine_TT

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Some other 3D remodels based on the pictures i took, alongside the other 3D models i made earlier from casey_contra's drawing.
: http://i.imgur.com/VCMCJia.jpg
Sorry guys i'm not that great with photoshop and 3D modeling so i may just give you a picture of the dev-kit this week instead.
 
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MK_768

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Nanashrew said:
There's no way the indie dev knows anything. We already had the Gunman Clive dev come in the thread earlier and stated as such when he was sending in trailers to Nintendo to be submitted for a Direct and anything else he knew nothing.

The indie knows nothing about the other games. And everyone who keeps mentioning a Direct with Star Fox means it's not happening. Star Fox was already in a Direct and the embargo for the game ended like a day or two ago.

Also yeah, it's dumb to leave out Zelda especially after today when we got a solid rumor. And it was to be expected that Zelda U was getting an NX and it is to be expected to hear about Zelda at this E3. A total blow out for Zelda U since its expected this year.

EDIT: oh for a Direct, of course they'd leave it out, and a new 3D Mario when we're two months away from E3. Their biggest hitters will not be in a Direct before E3.
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So yeah I agree with you completely haha. An indie dev doesn't know this much info. He's trying to see how far he can go. It's clear as day.

As for the direct stuff, I mean they aren't going to show off NX games and leave out Zelda. So if Mario NX is coming later this month then so is Zelda. Makes no sense to split them up. Give us a Zelda blowout and a trailer of 3D Mario and that's it. That's likely what will happen and it will be great lol.
 
Proelite

Proelite

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Vena said:
Yes, they would be going out of their way to do it. If you have a CPU clocked noticeably higher (and 20-30% is a noticeable boost) it would be illogical to go with not only worse RAM configurations but also to skimp on the GPU. Its a completely nonsensical pathway of approach of bottlenecking your own performance gains unless you wanted some super low thermal envelope... at which point you wouldn't be clocking your CPU at 20-30% higher than the competition.
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It could be that.

1. Nintendo's parallel running OS needs some hefty CPU power.
2. They don't think they'll be using GPGPU much so some of the GPGPU stuff would be done on the CPU.
3. They think that the current gen system are severely bottlenecked by their CPUS, which is a sentiment echoed by devs.

Back in 360 and PS3 generation the CPUs used 50% more watts than the GPUs. This generation the balance has swung the other way heavily.

I don't think a stronger CPU itself is an indication of the other parts of the system. There are mobile socs and apus that have better CPUs than Xb1 and PS4, but much much weaker GPUs.
 
LordOfChaos

LordOfChaos

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Hero of Legend said:
Why is the PS3 CPU so damn high there? That's the Cell right? PS4K is supposed to have such a huge GPU boost over the regular PS4?
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It's about in line with what Ubisoft said in their number of dancers presentation I posted on the last page now. Better than having the Cell tower over the 8th gen like before ;)

That of course isn't taking into account ease of tapping into that power, but peaky situations particularly where the Cell can do what it does best with a redundant and repeated task.



Here you go, very much worth a read
http://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/gdceurope2014/Presentations/828884_Alexis_Vaisse.pdf
 
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XenodudeX

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Vena said:
Yes, they would be going out of their way to do it. If you have a CPU clocked noticeably higher (and 20-30% is a noticeable boost) it would be illogical to go with not only worse RAM configurations but also to skimp on the GPU. Its a completely nonsensical pathway of approach of bottlenecking your own performance gains unless you wanted some super low thermal envelope... at which point you wouldn't be clocking your CPU at 20-30% higher than the competition.

You'd just be bottlenecking yourself all over the place, and Nintendo knows how much that sucks (and are on record) from the WiiU (and, heck, the 3DS given how much they supped it up in the N3DS).

If they have a substantial boost in CPU speeds, they're going to have either as good as or better than RAM/GPU performances as their contemporaries.
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I think I remember people on here saying the exact same thing in the WUST about how they would have to go out of their way to gimp their console. I also remembered that thats exactly what happened. Maybe this time will be different? I'm not hopeful.
 
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Graphics Horse

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XenodudeX said:
I think I remember people on here saying the exact same thing in the WUST about how they would have to go out of their way to gimp their console. I also remembered that thats exactly what happened. Maybe this time will be different? I'm not hopeful.
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I think, if possible they will make some kind of portable Wii U, performance wise. I am not sure there is a traditional console on the cards in the immediate future at all. The very notion of the joint architecture plan was about mobile tech catching up with consoles, so an example of such mobile tech is necessary.
 
TLZ

TLZ

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Insane Metal said:
Updated chart... Wii U included!

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Please excuse my ignorance on this subject, with PS3 looking like having a CPU that almost matches the PS4, does this mean if it was half the ram and gpu the PS4 has it would've been a powerhouse for it's time, and possibly lasted longer?

Again, excuse my ignorance.
 
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Mr. Pointy

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Guys, my uncles work for NCL and they said these are the current specs of the NX console. Things can change before the final product is released worldwide in late-October through November. The heart of the system is a 28nm custom APU codenamed "Spaghetti".

CPU: Modified AMD Puma 8-core CPU based on Carrizo, clocked at ~2.2GHz. 4MB L2 cache. Codenamed "Meatball".
GPU: Modified AMD GCN 1.2. Based on Antigua/Tonga Pro (R9 380), clocked at 733MHz. ~2.6TF processing power. Codenamed "Bolognese".
RAM: Two pools. First pool is 1GB HBM 1.0 DRAM, connected to GPU via 1024-bit bus. Second pool is 8GB DDR3, 3-4GB is sectioned off for OS and system functions.
Additional: 4-core ARM A53 CPU for OS/background functions. Codenamed "Garlic".
Storage: 64GB flash memory, USB 3.0 external drives supported.
 
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Gamer @ Heart

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Blues1990 said:
Man, people are actually going to believe this clown? How long is his charade going to go, I wonder?
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No one believe him. He has already been destroyed several times. He is amusing though. I mean, he is posting pictures of a fucking box he made in Photoshop. This is comedy.
 
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10k

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Mr. Pointy said:
Guys, my uncles work for NCL and they said these are the current specs of the NX console. Things can change before the final product is released worldwide in late-October through November. The heart of the system is a 28nm custom APU codenamed "Spaghetti".

CPU: Modified AMD Puma 8-core CPU based on Carrizo, clocked at ~2.2GHz. 4MB L2 cache. Codenamed "Meatball".
GPU: Modified AMD GCN 1.2. Based on Antigua/Tonga Pro (R9 380), clocked at 733MHz. ~2.6TF processing power. Codenamed "Bolognese".
RAM: Two pools. First pool is 1GB HBM 1.0 DRAM, connected to GPU via 1024-bit bus. Second pool is 8GB DDR3, 3-4GB is sectioned off for OS and system functions.
Additional: 4-core ARM A53 CPU for OS/background functions. Codenamed "Garlic".
Storage: 64GB flash memory, USB 3.0 external drives supported.
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Your uncle is legit.
Gamer @ Heart said:
No one believe him. He has already been destroyed several times. He is amusing though.
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Yeah its entertaining to take pot shots at him and watching his weak defending arguments.
 
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KillerMan91

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Hero of Legend said:
Why is the PS3 CPU so damn high there? That's the Cell right? PS4K is supposed to have such a huge GPU boost over the regular PS4?

Edit: I see the fine print below now.
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CELL is more powerful than Jaguar only in specific situations like that cloth simulation (GPU like work). In tasks that CPUs traditionally handle Jaguars destroy CELL.
 
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RAWi

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10k said:
It is there. On the bottom left below the X-axis. It's labeled as CPU, GPU and RAM. :p
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savage xD

I feel that you people are close to start using Dragon Ball Z levels of power comparisons... I mean, there's food already.

The nintendo hype leads to craziness.
 
LordOfChaos

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TLZ said:
Please excuse my ignorance on this subject, with PS3 looking like having a CPU that almost matches the PS4, does this mean if it was half the ram and gpu the PS4 has it would've been a powerhouse for it's time, and possibly lasted longer?

Again, excuse my ignorance.
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In one specific way of measuring it, yes. Cell traded programmers ease of use for maximum peak SIMD performance. Lacked branch prediction, was in order, but the SPUs had wide SIMD units, so if you had a something to do in a logical progression (1, 2, 3), it could be used well, but something more spaghetti like the PS4s Jaguar would still trounce it. It was almost like a GPU-ified CPU, right before GPGPU started taking off.

RAM was the big complaint with the 7th gen though, yes. Particularly the PS3s split setup vs the 360s more flexible single pool that could be split however a dev wanted. An alternate universe where either of them had chosen 1GB would be very interesting, especially if the PS3 went for a unified pool. But I guess we're lucky they were talked out of 256MB! I remember the Gears of War team talked MS into 512, which probably made that the minimum total for the PS3 as well.



DocSeuss said:
anyone could spot this as a fake since we all know the 360 was far more powerful than the ps3, though. Gotta make better fakes than that.
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We have a member that's said he was making this for fun and speculation, it can't be fake when it was never posed as official. And yeah, the 360s better GPU usually pulled it ahead, but as the poster making those said he's just going off peak theoretical numbers. Cell was great at those, lol.

Unless I missed a /s, in which case carry on :p



Speaking of which, if you want to make a 37th revision of that, I'd go ahead and prop the PS4s GPU up to 1.5x the XBOs. That's being restrained in some ways, 50% more shaders, 50% more TMUs, but fully double the ROPs.
 
Proelite

Proelite

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Mr. Pointy said:
Guys, my uncles work for NCL and they said these are the current specs of the NX console. Things can change before the final product is released worldwide in late-October through November. The heart of the system is a 28nm custom APU codenamed "Spaghetti".

CPU: Modified AMD Puma 8-core CPU based on Carrizo, clocked at ~2.2GHz. 4MB L2 cache. Codenamed "Meatball".
GPU: Modified AMD GCN 1.2. Based on Antigua/Tonga Pro (R9 380), clocked at 733MHz. ~2.6TF processing power. Codenamed "Bolognese".
RAM: Two pools. First pool is 1GB HBM 1.0 DRAM, connected to GPU via 1024-bit bus. Second pool is 8GB DDR3, 3-4GB is sectioned off for OS and system functions.
Additional: 4-core ARM A53 CPU for OS/background functions. Codenamed "Garlic".
Storage: 64GB flash memory, USB 3.0 external drives supported.
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My aunt who is a designer can confirm. This is the high spec configuration. Colloqually known as the warriors configuration. There is also a casual sku that has much lower specs. That APU is code named chop suey.
 
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