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[keero16]

But are they going to be NX games or games for a dead console?

The 3DS is still alive, I expect stuff for that really. Maybe like 1 Wii U game we didn't know about. Maybe.

 

[Calamari41]

The thing that is making people upset about the idea of Nintendo "regrouping" for the next year is basically that we all thought this past year was their "regrouping" year. So they're basically taking two years to "regroup." I'm sure they need it, but that doesn't make it any less galling.

 

[Astorgh]

So since we look past E3 to see the NX reveal, how many games do you think will be shown along with the consoles reveal? Obviously Zelda, but what other games do you think we can reasonably expect?

Well Pokemon Sun/Moon has to be there too. Beyond that, I really don't expect more than 2 more games.

 

[finalflame]

What the fuck Nintendo. You never fail to disappoint. They seem to have their collective heads so far up their asses at this point that they can't even hear what's going on in the outside world.

Not only are they not showing NX at the only E3 before its launch, but they're also only going to have ONE playable game on the floor?

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

 

[Dreamwriter]

This depends on if it's a handheld or not. If there's a console, I'd think that they'd target Holiday 2017 before even considering March.

Why would a handheld be any different from a console, for release timing? If the system and games sell at launch, that's all that matters. And NOT releasing in the holidays against all that competition improves the chances of that happening.

 

[Nanashrew]

Yes, they planned on 3DS missing the holiday season too. The holiday season is way too packed with competition, companies really need to stop releasing stuff then, just because of Christmas. 3DS still sold out in March - that's all that matters is getting the sales.

Also remember, Nintendo is trying to change everything about how their company works. They've admitted that how they've been doing things doesn't work anymore, and so are trying new things, switching it all up.

Yep, and proof of that right here too with changing their corporate structure to act more like a global business like other global business like Sony etc. Something people have been asking for, for a very long while now.

Comes from todays briefing http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1212205

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

But are they going to be NX games or games for a dead console?

Sounds like there won't be any NX games shown.

 

[Rösti]

Is there a Q & A session to still come at this silly investors thing???

Nintendo's 2015 Fiscal Year Financial Results Briefing at 10:00 AM JST, April 28, will most likely include a Q&A session.

I believe there will be no tweeting from there however, so we will have to wait for the slides to be uploaded on the IR page. Anything could happen of course, but last time nobody provided any live coverage (directly from the briefing).

 

[Servbot24]

Mobile.

I wouldn't assume that their mobile success is a foregone conclusion. We don't yet know that they're willing to fully invest. Is Animal crossing going to actually be Animal Crossing, or another diversion for example?

 

[Steejee]

2. They simply don't think E3 is the best place to reveal a new console

This is what I'd put my money on. Why reveal your new console within the few days of the year when you don't get near 100% of the gaming media coverage? Nintendo have been moving away from an E3-centric PR schedule for a few years now, with more games announced throughout the year during Nintendo Directs where they can have a lot more space to themselves. Furthermore, with PS4K, PSVR and perhaps an XBO revision due at E3, they don't even get the exclusive "new hardware" coverage. In a modern, internet-driven world, it makes a lot more sense to have your own reveal show in your own time, when you can dominate the news cycle.

And if you still think that every console has to be revealed at E3, consider this: neither PS4 nor XBO were revealed at E3. In both cases Sony and MS decided they were better off having their own reveal show than sharing the stage at E3. Now, both of these were pre-E3, but both consoles were scheduled for holiday launches. With a March launch the optimal reveal time may well be post-E3.

I think this is my line of thinking at this point. Nintendo Directs may not get the same live-streaming numbers as the E3 conferences, but they get tons of news coverage after the fact for all the announcements included. Some Directs have dominated gaming news for several days when they time them for a relatively quiet period where there's not much else to report on.

That's not to say I think this move (if it's why they're doing it) is necessarily the best one, but it definitely has some logic to it.

 

[LegendofLex]

1. NX isn't ready to show at E3

I think we can throw this one out of the way pretty quickly. The Wii U was playable at E3 almost a year and a half before release. This is 10 months before release, and they could certainly show off a handful of games, even if they leave more unveils for post-E3 directs.

One of the biggest problems with Wii U at E3 2012 was that Nintendo only showed off a handful of games, and basically all of them were games we'd seen or heard about before.

This led to the (in fact correct) perception that Wii U only had a handful of games to show. Nintendo released their panic mode Wii U Direct in January 2013 showing mostly games that wouldn't come out for more than two years.

If it's not immediately clear when they reveal NX that it will have tons of games, they shouldn't have revealed NX.

 

[Toxi]

On the plus side, this news will be the end of those obnoxious "What will Nintendo show at E3?" threads for this year.

Zelda, Pokemon, Paper Mario, Metroid (LOL), and some Japanese games that haven't been localized yet. Probably also mobile games like Pokemon Go, Fire Emblem, and Animal Crossing.

GET HYPE

 

[Astorgh]

I just hope that the NX and the launch line will be great enough to forget this happened.

 

[Sethista]

so brehs this does not bode well in regards to third party support for NX.

I found it strange that nintendo didnt announce a presence in E3 before the other conferences, since they needed to talk about NX first for al lthe other devs to talk about games they are making for it.

After today, I think its set in stone that third party support is not a nintendo priority, putting it mildly.

I wonder if NX will be it, nintendo will move to other business models, mobile, etc, and the consoles will slowly phase out. Wii and Wii u proved that without third party support, they cant create a good enough base to convince people to buy and maintain a console,

I wonder how many companies will be together with them talking about NX this year.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I think Iwata planned on releasing the NX in 2016 is why he announced it last year, but now I look back I wished he had just said "we're making mobile games, but don't worry we are still going to be making dedicated video game systems" and that would've been fine without ever saying the words NX.

 

[Splendor]

I think Nintendo is not giving as much weight to a holiday release as most companies do. The 3DS came out in march, as did the GBA, and the Gameboy came out in April. The success of those systems came with momentum as they released software for them and marketed those systems well.
I think if Nintendo focuses on that then they will release whenever in the year they want, and I think waiting an additional 8 months for the holiday can be damning in this situation

 

[OricWindstar]

I'm not familiar with console launch releases of the top of my head. Isn't March potentially a good release window as there will be less advertising regarding other games/consoles?

 

[Neoxon]

The 3DS is still alive, I expect stuff for that really. Maybe like 1 Wii U game we didn't know about. Maybe.

The 3DS is hanging in there, sure, but it may not last for much longer past this year.

 

[Obliterator]

There has to be some serious restructuring going down at Nintendo really for all of this news to hold up. Last year was already very dry in terms of software and 2016 will be completely barren from the looks of things. 2 whole years that Nintendo essentially "took off".

Man I hope they can turn things around with NX because all of this does make me legitimately question the direction of this company

 

[Nanashrew]

Lol more like Nintendo's home console sales are pitiful compared to 21 million viewers.

Lol, 2014 Nintendo was the highest trending company across social media for their Digital Event and Treehouse Live while Sony and MS largely died off after their events.

Treehouse Live also had consistent viewer shit in the millions too.

Viewership doesn't matter, content does.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Nintendo's 2015 Fiscal Year Financial Results Briefing at 10:00 AM JST, April 28, will most likely include a Q&A session.

I believe there will be no tweeting from there however, so we will have to wait for the slides to be uploaded on the IR page. Anything could happen of course, but last time nobody provided any live coverage (directly from the briefing).

Thanks.

 

[Mac the KNife]

But are they going to be NX games or games for a dead console?

The way Nintendo is operating the two might not be mutually exclusive.

 

[z1ggy]

Nintendo is doing what they are best at: dissapointing its fans.

 

[Thraktor]

I think the 18 month hype deflation tour the Wii U went on from unveiling to release probably weighs pretty heavily on this decision. I'll take Kimishima's word on them wanting more software ready for the unveiling. Perhaps they want to load everything into the cannon for their own event later in the year so they can control the news cycle for a few days.

I do agree that Nintendo want to reduce the time from announcement to launch, but an E3 launch would still do that (it would be pretty much exactly the same time from announcement to launch as PS4). I think this is a little different from being "ready" for E3. They would almost certainly be ready for the kind of initial reveal the PS4 or XBO had, largely focussing on hardware with a few games shown off, but they may, as you say, decide that they would prefer a complete blow-out, which would be better done later on in the year with more games in near-complete state.

One of the biggest problems with Wii U at E3 2012 was that Nintendo only showed off a handful of games, and basically all of them were games we'd seen or heard about before.

This led to the (in fact correct) perception that Wii U only had a handful of games to show. Nintendo released their panic mode Wii U Direct in January 2013 showing mostly games that wouldn't come out for more than two years.

If it's not immediately clear when they reveal NX that it will have tons of games, they shouldn't have revealed NX.

Both PS4 and XBO were initially revealed with only a handful of games and tech demos.

 

[Calamari41]

Lol, 2014 Nintendo was the highest trending company across social media for their Digital Event and Treehouse Live while Sony and MS largely died off after their events.

What happened with sales after that?

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

Lol, 2014 Nintendo was the highest trending company across social media for their Digital Event and Treehouse Live while Sony and MS largely died off after their events.

Which means absolutely nothing.

 

[Boke1879]

This missing e3 is disappointing. People are already down on Nintendo and I feel after the holiday when Sony and MS greatly expand their userbase NX will only be playing catch up. And nothing will convince they have solid 3rd party support until I actually see it

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

No, it's just the only playable game.

The press conference / direct can include more games of course.

I honestly dont think that will happen. I think their E3 day will be Zelda day. That's it. I'm honestly fine with it after so long of nothing I cant wait to see it.


Problem is, people thought the NX was coming and we was gonna have a NX blowout. Them rumors be shitting in people cereal forreal

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

Lol, 2014 Nintendo was the highest trending company across social media for their Digital Event and Treehouse Live while Sony and MS largely died off after their events.

Well good thing that translated into console sales...oh wait.

 

[Snakeyes]

Agreed. Console should be $250-300 and portable $180-200 tops. They need to be priced to appeal to more casual gamers, families and as a second or third console for core gamers.

That really helped the Wii since it launched at $250 and offered a different type of games. It was an easier impulse buy for casual/non-gamers and for core gamers to pick up to put beside their PS3/360.

But that's not how things actually played out for the most part. Looking at Wii hardware sales compared to its competitors and Wii software sales in its first two years on the market, the mainstream gamer picked up a Wii first, then jumped ship to the PS360 after seeing that the rest of the industry didn't follow and that Nintendo seemed to be pivoting more towards their expanded audience.

There is no market for a secondary (or even worse, third) console, especially now that there are more gadgets vying for the consumer's attention than ever before.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

This sounds like exactly what Iwata would do, he's the one that said Nintendo can't compete with Sony/Microsoft.

I think Iwata would at least bring Kirby, Paper Mario, and Federation Force for people to play. I think he'd know people would be disappointed if they couldn't play a lot of Nintendo games at E3.

 

[Nanashrew]

What happened with sales after that?

Which means absolutely nothing.

Exactly my point in all this number citing crap.

 

[Calamari41]

Exactly my point in all this number citing crap.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[Red Devil]

I wouldn't assume that their mobile success is a foregone conclusion. We don't yet know that they're willing to fully invest. Is Animal crossing going to actually be Animal Crossing, or another diversion for example?

Didn't they say something about connectivity with another Animal Crossing game(either current or future one?), so perhaps it'll be a diversion.

so brehs this does not bode well in regards to third party support for NX.

I found it strange that nintendo didnt announce a presence in E3 before the other conferences, since they needed to talk about NX first for al lthe other devs to talk about games they are making for it.

After today, I think its set in stone that third party support is not a nintendo priority, putting it mildly.

I wonder if NX will be it, nintendo will move to other business models, mobile, etc, and the consoles will slowly phase out. Wii and Wii u proved that without third party support, they cant create a good enough base to convince people to buy and maintain a console,

I wonder how many companies will be together with them talking about NX this year.

Not sure if being at E3 or not does anything regarding the third party relationships.

Problem is, people thought the NX was coming and we was gonna have a NX blowout. Them rumors be shitting in people cereal forreal

That's on the people's fault, since they never promised that.

 

[oti]

What the fuck Nintendo. You never fail to disappoint. They seem to have their collective heads so far up their asses at this point that they can't even hear what's going on in the outside world.

Not only are they not showing NX at the only E3 before its launch, but they're also only going to have ONE playable game on the floor?

Holy. Fucking. Shit.

Not saying it's good or bad but if they truly feel like E3 is becoming irrelevant it makes sense for them to do that.

 

[MK_768]

Didn't they say something about connectivity with another Animal Crossing game(either current or future one?), so perhaps it'll be a diversion.



Not sure if being at E3 or not does anything regarding the third party relationships.

It doesn't. Breh just shit-posting.

 

[MuchoMalo]

Why would a handheld be any different from a console, for release timing? If the system and games sell at launch, that's all that matters. And NOT releasing in the holidays against all that competition improves the chances of that happening.

A handheld will almost certainly succeed either way if most other things about it are right. A console from Nintendo, however, needs all the help it can get. One mistake and it's done.

I wouldn't assume that their mobile success is a foregone conclusion. We don't yet know that they're willing to fully invest. Is Animal crossing going to actually be Animal Crossing, or another diversion for example?

I'm talking about what Nintendo most likely thinks. Kimishima expects higher profit margins, and something digital like mobile would help to explain why. This is also why you shouldn't be shocked when NX makes a huge push toward digital.

 

[Elfforkusu]

So, Nintendo is leaving the console business for a year?

This is rough. Wii U is already toast, I wonder if/why the NX was delayed...

 

[Zekes!]

I for one am ready for this Zelda bonanza

 

[KingdomHeartsFan]

I think Iwata would at least bring Kirby, Paper Mario, and Federation Force for people to play. I think he'd know people would be disappointed if they couldn't play a lot of Nintendo games at E3.

I think Nintendo knows people would be disappointed if they played those games lol.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Exactly my point in all this number citing crap.

Exactly. You just showed how much E3 matters. It's the content that matters not just "omg they're at E3" lol

 

[Neoxon]

so brehs this does not bode well in regards to third party support for NX.

I found it strange that nintendo didnt announce a presence in E3 before the other conferences, since they needed to talk about NX first for al lthe other devs to talk about games they are making for it.

After today, I think its set in stone that third party support is not a nintendo priority, putting it mildly.

I wonder if NX will be it, nintendo will move to other business models, mobile, etc, and the consoles will slowly phase out. Wii and Wii u proved that without third party support, they cant create a good enough base to convince people to buy and maintain a console,

I wonder how many companies will be together with them talking about NX this year.

My guess is that most of the early support will come from Japanese third parties & indies. Nintendo has lacked the core audience that western third parties target for years, so it'll take a long time for Nintendo to win them over. The best Nintendo can do right now is get the NX Platform into as many hands as possible & cultivate enough of a core gaming audience to where western third parties consider giving Nintendo another chance later down the road.

No Pokémon Sun/Moon being playable is actually a big surprise to me.

 

[Dreamwriter]

Not sure if being at E3 or not does anything regarding the third party relationships.

The biggest third parties aren't going to be there this year. Activision, EA, Disney, Wargaming are all skipping E3. E3 is dying off...

 

[Sponge]

Not saying it's good or bad but if they truly feel like E3 is becoming irrelevant it makes sense for them to do that.

I called off work so I could catch all of the E3 conferences this year. Lasts years was amazing for all the reveals Sony had. Personally I don't think it's E3 that's becoming irrelevant so much as I think it's Nintendo disappointing people.

 

[ProtomanNeo]

This has already turned into a monster of a thread so I don't know if its been stated previously, but I think this is a smart move. We've all seen too many times systems fall victim to the launch window drought. I think its clear based on leaked information the NX could launch at the end of this year if Nintendo wanted it, but instead the strategy seems to be for go the holiday season and potentially get a little lost in the shuffle, and instead launch at a time where people have just paid off holiday bills , and are usually ready to see something new.

 

[MacTag]

Note that Saturn got hundreds of games in its lifetime, including in the last 18 months.

He's probably referring to the gap in releases from the end of Saturn to Dreamcast launch. It wasn't 18 months though, in thd US it was either 13 months or 10 months depending on if you count Sega or 3rd party releases. Japan still had Saturn releases after it's earlier DC launch though.

Wii U also already has hundreds of games btw. And it's also likely going to see some for awhile after NX launch, just not from Nintendo.

 

[SuperSah]

If GameXplain is disappointed, you know Nintendo fucked it.

 

[Nanashrew]

Well good thing that translated into console sales...oh wait.

Good work stating the obvious and helping to prove my point that the viewership count means diddly squat and it's the content of the system that matters more than any of that crap. And that constantly citing that E3 is bigger than ever now for viewership also means diddly squat in how many systems will get sold.

Content is all that matters of the system. Sony has lots of it. MS squandered their trust with their dumb DRM stuff and Wii U just didn't have much going for it.

There ya go, clear winner that had fucking nothing to do with E3.

 

[TheSpaceBetween]

I think Nintendo knows NeoGAF would be disappointed if they played those games lol.

FTFY.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It doesn't. Breh just shit-posting.

Yeah, I guess they'll miss the holiday season and I'm sure third parties like to capitalize on it but otherwise I've never heard of a delay of a system scaring off developers, it would seem they'd now have time to get development kits if they haven't already and get going.