is there any evidence that kids do care about Mario, or any other Nintendo property? honest question.
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NX will launch in March 2017 globally, won't be at E3 (focusing on Zelda instead)
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is there any evidence that kids do care about Mario, or any other Nintendo property? honest question.
Dark Cloud
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Hopefully the NX rumors will calm down now since everybody was wrong except for Emily. It gives me a break to not worry about NX now until after E3 again.
The Earth must have experienced a catastrophic extinction event if *most* consumers will have a brand new console and games on Christmas. One that, coincidentally, also left only the core console gamer crowd alive, provided them with a lot of disposable income, and destroyed their old consoles (or made sure to only keep alive the ones without consoles).
Man, Sony and Microsoft must be shitting their pants knowing that *most* consumers will have bought a console this coming holiday. Who are they going to sell to in the coming years!?
... maybe we're already dead? Maybe we are The Last of Us...
ultrazilla
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Too much being made over NX not being at E3.
They'll have their own direct or show featuring the
system. Too much panic from fans.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a NX themed Direct
shortly before or after E3.
Or they'll bring back Spaceworld in the fall.
Irregardless, thinking Nintendo won't show
or talk about the system this year when it's releasing
March 2017 worldwide is stretching things.
Not sure why there's so much panic?!
They'll have their own direct or show featuring the
system. Too much panic from fans.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a NX themed Direct
shortly before or after E3.
Or they'll bring back Spaceworld in the fall.
Irregardless, thinking Nintendo won't show
or talk about the system this year when it's releasing
March 2017 worldwide is stretching things.
Not sure why there's so much panic?!
DownGrader
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It would be hilarious if NX us actually a handheld not more powerful than Wii U and Nintendo will be actually presenting a superior version of Zelda on the E3.
brandonh83
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There's a lot of kids out there. There's no real way to know. Some kids like things and some don't, like anything. I'd say they really liked Mario Kart and Splatoon. And Smash. It seems so anyway. Anyway you pretty much turned my statement around on me; I wasn't the one that made the claim that "kids" don't care, as that's a pretty large demographic.
I would argue that if NX is successful, plenty of kids will be wanting one and enjoying those IP's.
i'd even think 'goty edition' type things with all dlc thrown in would be a good bet. hyrule warriors, mario kart 8, super mario 3d world + captain toad, and pikmin 3 perhaps. i suppose if splatoon, smash, and mario maker are nx-bound, it doesn't do much good to do the same for those.
well there are six games on 3ds that sold over 10 million copies and they're all nintendo games. so nintendo has some sort of big mainstream audience in some way.
Come on, guys. Not even Nintendo uses this poor excuse. Nintendo could have had their own reveal before E3 and show more details about the games at E3. Obviously they were forced to delay everything because of something, but let's not spin this so much.
There are some people who don't actually believe Nintendo when they say this thing will be released in March. The no show at e3 makes it look like this thing is nowhere near ready to be shown.
The real issue here though is the thirst for information. Prior to yesterday we believed we'd find out at e3, now its a case of "later this year" which could be as late as October before we learn about it.
GarciaHotspur
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I hope Zelda Will be a launch title at least...
Ninja Scooter
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All eyes will be on Nintendo whenever they decide to reveal this thing, it doesn't have to be at E3. People are really overestimating what E3 even means anymore. They can have a Direct a month before, a month after, 2 months after, it doesn't matter, and it will have the same effect.
I think the NX will be fine. It will have its E3 showing and holiday momentum later in 2017 even if it doesn't launch with it. But it's weird that Nintendo seems to be abandoning the holiday season. Zelda is the focus of E3 but it's also delayed. That leaves 3DS games, but the 3DS has been waning for years. I don't know, it's just weird.
brandonh83
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It is. Nintendo's site says March.
at this point i think they should make the announcement at the end of the wizard 2, starring fred savage as an honest cop with nothing left to lose.
Dark Cloud
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That's what we're saying. Some of us realize there are actually other days in the year and in this day and age media coverage is all over. This is a brand new system Nintendo is revealing. They can hold their own event later and it will get covered the same.
Imperfected
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More or less. The easier synopsis might be that, regardless of what specific event forced it, this was probably the least-bad choice available.
Not a good choice, not a choice anyone should really be very happy with, but sometimes you have to triage the situation and choose the solution that results in the least negative outcome of those available.
Maybe it's nothing, but did anyone else think it was suspicious that they specified "Worldwide Release" in March of 2017? Holiday shopping seems like it's always a much bigger deal in NA, so I wonder if Nintendo could be setting us up for a surprise.
That probably won't happen, but the wording was just something that caught my eye.
That probably won't happen, but the wording was just something that caught my eye.
The WiiU didn't have this type of problem in manufacturing. In design, yes, but that had little do with its release timing. That was more a case of Nintendo's software end (as in tools and such) not being ready and them hitting massive walls with software development in terms of resource commitments for HD. The troubles of the 3DS at the time also likely affected their release schedule.
This is more like NGC being out a year later with better hardware, it just wasn't ready for mass production sooner. The 3DS also had a production problem early on when NVidia failed with the Tegra delivery/promises, and the system had to have its hardware changed hastily to the current ARM chip.
I'm trying to figure out why is everyone so upset about Nintendo missing out on E3...I mean some members complain about how the gaming industry uses "hype" to sell games. And, yet, Nintendo is takes a different approach than the normal route of "hype". Now, everybody decries that Nintendo is dumb or Nintendo are idiots for missing the holiday sales and we have posters are going on with another "571259346 reasons the Wii U is an epic failure" rant.
Nintendo want to launch the NX correctly, by having their own first party games ready and NOT rely on the constantly crappy third parties like Nintendo did with the 3DS and the Wii U launches. You posters remember that right? So, you guys would rather Nintendo release the NX without games, like with what did with the Wii U? Or you guys want Nintendo to pull of an Ubisoft's "Assassin Creed Unity" or an EA's "Battlefield 4" with the NX's launch titles? So, essentially, you all want the NX to fail? I'm honestly confused by everyone disappointment.
Furthermore, from an logistical point of view, their could very well be an hardware issues resulting in the the NX not launching during the holiday season as well. We don't even have the big picture yet. However, Nintendo is fucking doomed according to most posters here with the limited amount of information we do have.
Nintendo want to launch the NX correctly, by having their own first party games ready and NOT rely on the constantly crappy third parties like Nintendo did with the 3DS and the Wii U launches. You posters remember that right? So, you guys would rather Nintendo release the NX without games, like with what did with the Wii U? Or you guys want Nintendo to pull of an Ubisoft's "Assassin Creed Unity" or an EA's "Battlefield 4" with the NX's launch titles? So, essentially, you all want the NX to fail? I'm honestly confused by everyone disappointment.
Furthermore, from an logistical point of view, their could very well be an hardware issues resulting in the the NX not launching during the holiday season as well. We don't even have the big picture yet. However, Nintendo is fucking doomed according to most posters here with the limited amount of information we do have.
What do you honestly expect them to do, take resources and manpower away from their new hardware to prop up a low selling piece of hardware they're going to discontinue soon anyway?
Night Angel
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No, he probably expects they'd release their new hardware before the holiday shopping season this year instead of having nothing for basically two years running.
Could you link to it?
brandonh83
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Not sure where it is. Someone posted it earlier, no idea which site region it was from. But it said Mar 2017.
ShadowFox08
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I haven't skimmed through 70 something odd pages, but how likely do you think Nintendo will use a 14nm polaris for NX hardware now that out in March?
Dagobert Duck
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I still cant wrap my head around "we will just show Zelda"....that game must be something...
Crimson_Justice
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Trying to find some positivity here. At least this will get almost everyone at the E3 show floor to try the game out. As long as they say, "Coming to Wii U and 'NX' in March 2017," this could be a great way to get people interested in the NX.
Not saying the situation doesn't suck, of course.
MilkyJoe
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1) Nintendo is Japanese, so the US is not the home camp
2) The US is still part of the world.
Dagobert Duck
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Weird thing will be "it will come to Wii U and NX" "Whats the NX, am I playing this on NX right now?" "We can't tell...."
Nostremitus
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They said NX wouldn't be at E3, did they say no NX games would be there in video form? Or were they talking about showing off the console itself? Or no NX information at all?
So...I have a question about Wii U. How much was Wii U downclocked, if at all, to get it to not overheat? What could have prevented such a massive downclock? What would the ramifications have been of such a move? I hear people mention it, but I've never really gotten a definitive answer.
Also, since Nintendo is saying they'll release it in March, it better:
- Not be overpriced
- Have at least 1 game per month until E3 (that's at least 4 games, probably should be at least 1 through November just from them)
- Have some definitive promise of third party support
I'm just sick of the lies, hand-waving and non-committal BS from Nintendo.
Also, since Nintendo is saying they'll release it in March, it better:
- Not be overpriced
- Have at least 1 game per month until E3 (that's at least 4 games, probably should be at least 1 through November just from them)
- Have some definitive promise of third party support
I'm just sick of the lies, hand-waving and non-committal BS from Nintendo.
Pancake Mix
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He can't, it's on the press site only.
No information at all seems to be the deal.
they plan for another event to be the reveal of nx and that nx won't be at e3.
either they have a separate event within a month, or they're announcing anywhere between july and october.
Nostremitus
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So, Spaceworld?
MatrixMan.EXE
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Missing E3 isn't really the end of the world, but as I've stressed in the thread multiple times, it's a great opportunity for some fantastic extra publicity during an event that attracts a certain type of buzz and audience that a Nintendo Direct wouldn't.
I feel as though people claiming that they'd get the same amount of coverage for their own event some other time in the year are being disingenuous. They won't. It's not the end of the world, but it's a very odd decision when E3 is as big as it is. Claim that it doesn't mean much anymore, but remember that it set the tone for this generation and generations before it. Sony announcing their $399 price after Microsoft's $499 for example wouldn't have had that same immediate impact if they were two separate events months apart.
Ideally Nintendo would already be ready with their own event, then more info at E3, but alas, they don't seem ready. I just hope they know what they're doing. They need to nail the reveal event, whenever it is. And I still suspect it'll be before the end of September so that Japanese 3rd parties can talk about their NX games at TGS.
I feel as though people claiming that they'd get the same amount of coverage for their own event some other time in the year are being disingenuous. They won't. It's not the end of the world, but it's a very odd decision when E3 is as big as it is. Claim that it doesn't mean much anymore, but remember that it set the tone for this generation and generations before it. Sony announcing their $399 price after Microsoft's $499 for example wouldn't have had that same immediate impact if they were two separate events months apart.
Ideally Nintendo would already be ready with their own event, then more info at E3, but alas, they don't seem ready. I just hope they know what they're doing. They need to nail the reveal event, whenever it is. And I still suspect it'll be before the end of September so that Japanese 3rd parties can talk about their NX games at TGS.
they could very well do a convention thing that's open to the general public. they did a smaller concept version of this in 2001 and 2002 for the gamecube. was really neat in 2001 and not quite as impressive in 2002 (although playing tww early as a non-e3-attending teenager was cool).
Nintendo said they would focus on Zelda at E3 but they would also announce their full E3 plans later...what does that even mean?
If they only have Zelda playable will they show other games during the direct; will they show other games during treehouse? If they are ONLY focusing on Zelda for every aspect of E3 how much are they really going to show off??
In the past, Nintendo has really only ever shown off three ~15-minute Zelda "sections" of gameplay in demos.
I can't see them doing only Zelda in treehouse segments but after the past couple days who knows with this Company.
Silent_Ocarina
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All right, so I've had some time to digest this information, so here are my thoughts.
On NX missing out on the 2016:
This is certainly unfortunate. I'm inclined to believe that this decision happened relatively recently. What called for that decision, we really can't say. It could be a software issue, a hardware problem, or some other unforeseen circumstance. I doubt they're avoiding the holidays; I think they would launch for the holidays if they could. If it's not ready, it's not ready. It's a bit concerning about their product, but we can make a decision once we know what it actually is.
On NX not being present at E3 (Or E3 plans in general):
This is the bigger point out of all this, in my opinion. If Nintendo really does plan on launching NX worldwide in/by March 2017, why wouldn't they show it at E3? I can't imagine a case where it's not ready to be shown. After all, we knew about Wii and Wii U long before they released.
Here's my train of thought regarding this.
1. Nintendo wants to reveal NX at their own event.
- This is fine. I have no complaints against this. People keep saying Nintendo wants their own event, but that doesn't mean they can't still show it at E3. They're going to be at E3 anyway. Why wouldn't you want your own event to show off NX, then promote it further at E3? This leads to the next point.
2. Nintendo wants to reveal NX at a point after E3.
- My initial reaction to this is, "Why?" If the thing is supposed to be ready by March 2017, I would have to presume Nintendo can show it now if they wanted. Yet, they insist on keeping their cards close to their chest. The only conclusion I can draw from that decision is:
3. Nintendo wants to reveal NX as close to its release as possible.
- Again, "Why?" I get that people like to point out that Wii U didn't perform well after being shown so early, but Wii U was the culmination of a multitude of mistakes. Showing the console a year later would not have helped its fortunes. It's just really odd to have a machine launch without ever being showcased at an E3. I'm not sure how Nintendo finds this position advantageous.
Even ignoring the fact that NX won't be there, why is Zelda going to be the only game playable on the floor? I know that Nintendo can reveal more games, but why aren't games like Color Splash and Federation Force (ha) playable? They're already at E3; they have the space. It just doesn't make sense to me. On a different note, I really hope they don't go overboard with Zelda, but that's more because I'm too weak to avoid all the information I can get even though I want a fresh first playthrough.
But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
On NX missing out on the 2016:
This is certainly unfortunate. I'm inclined to believe that this decision happened relatively recently. What called for that decision, we really can't say. It could be a software issue, a hardware problem, or some other unforeseen circumstance. I doubt they're avoiding the holidays; I think they would launch for the holidays if they could. If it's not ready, it's not ready. It's a bit concerning about their product, but we can make a decision once we know what it actually is.
On NX not being present at E3 (Or E3 plans in general):
This is the bigger point out of all this, in my opinion. If Nintendo really does plan on launching NX worldwide in/by March 2017, why wouldn't they show it at E3? I can't imagine a case where it's not ready to be shown. After all, we knew about Wii and Wii U long before they released.
Here's my train of thought regarding this.
1. Nintendo wants to reveal NX at their own event.
- This is fine. I have no complaints against this. People keep saying Nintendo wants their own event, but that doesn't mean they can't still show it at E3. They're going to be at E3 anyway. Why wouldn't you want your own event to show off NX, then promote it further at E3? This leads to the next point.
2. Nintendo wants to reveal NX at a point after E3.
- My initial reaction to this is, "Why?" If the thing is supposed to be ready by March 2017, I would have to presume Nintendo can show it now if they wanted. Yet, they insist on keeping their cards close to their chest. The only conclusion I can draw from that decision is:
3. Nintendo wants to reveal NX as close to its release as possible.
- Again, "Why?" I get that people like to point out that Wii U didn't perform well after being shown so early, but Wii U was the culmination of a multitude of mistakes. Showing the console a year later would not have helped its fortunes. It's just really odd to have a machine launch without ever being showcased at an E3. I'm not sure how Nintendo finds this position advantageous.
Even ignoring the fact that NX won't be there, why is Zelda going to be the only game playable on the floor? I know that Nintendo can reveal more games, but why aren't games like Color Splash and Federation Force (ha) playable? They're already at E3; they have the space. It just doesn't make sense to me. On a different note, I really hope they don't go overboard with Zelda, but that's more because I'm too weak to avoid all the information I can get even though I want a fresh first playthrough.
But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
None. They downclocked it and changed TDP profiles of their own volition for the "Japanese Household".
TDP profiles?
Thermal design power. The WiiU is a tiny footprint system, and it was initially promised to be a lot more than what was delivered, which they attributed to making a console for the "japanese home" and making it small, quiet, and low in power-draw.
It does what it was designed to do really well, its just not what any one wanted, and it under-delivered on the promised power for third parties and development tools were a mess.
So if they didn't downclock and change the TDP, would it have done what they originally promised? And if so, what would the difference had been?
Who knows. All we have is history, the rest is speculation.
The timing is better, but you have to remember that Iwata was sort of bragging about WiiU lower consumption while at the same time they were packing very old 40 nm tech inside (and I don't remember availability that year, but Sony was already at 28 nm a year later)
Very well explained, horrendous decision that didn't pay off in any way in my eyes.
IIRC, 28nm was not ready when WiiU entered production for what Nintendo was trying to make. Hense the old node.
MEsoJD
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I really don't know what Nintendo can do to make this new console successful. They need to show that they actually learned some of the trends that are necessary or at least expected in gaming platforms. A proper online interface, a regular controller, less reliance on gimmicks, etc... If not, they need to become a software company for consoles and pc. For crying out loud they need to do evolve their thinking. They are stuck in the past in too many areas.
At least the handhelds still seem to be doing well.
At least the handhelds still seem to be doing well.
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