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Battlefield 5 retail listing at World of Games (Swiss), "tactical shooter in WW1"
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DiddyInAHellcat
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Sidewinder
Member
Exactly, all that shit that you can unlock and use in BF4 tires me out just looking at it...
Give me a bunch of guns and vehicles to choose from without any mods, let's go back to the roots!
...for steampunk suppressors, Tesla laser sights, and 20 different optics that all kind of look like monocles.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Imagine the bitching though if you couldn't pimp a bajillion guns.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
The bitching will come. Regardles of what they announce.
Gemüsepizza
Member
DICE servers are usually empty. Matchmaking does not work, if I click "Play now" in BF4, I will be put on an empty server 99% of the time.
No, not really. Server browser and custom servers are massively overrated, and are harmful to the playing experience of the majority of gamers. It leads to:
- Only the same maps being played over and over (Metro, Operation Locker, ...)
- Shitty people becoming little dictator admins, making up stupid rules and randomly kicking people because of bullshit
- Not having a consistent multiplayer experience because every game and server has different rules.
This simply ruins the fun of playing BF. Unfortunately there seems to be a very vocal minority of gamers who claims this needs to be put in every game. More often than not those people are part of the cringeworthy "PC master race" group of PC gamers, and just repeat stuff like this over and over without thinking it through.
JumPeRJumPzZ
Banned
You really have to inform yourself about the weaponry in WW1, especially later in the War.
From what was teased in this current topic, it wont be strict WW1...
Dictator93
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First time i have seen anyone bemoan optional choice for server set up. I am pretty sure people, and especially pc gamers, view that as necessary basically for server-based multi.Gemüsepizza;202193115 said:
MilkyJoe
Member
Ugh this again...
Gemüsepizza
Member
Are you denying that the points I have listed are a result of having a server browser with custom servers?
It is not optional in BF4. It is the only way you can currently play BF4.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Lol
K
Gemüsepizza
Member
It is quite telling that no one actually replies to the arguments I made.
Oh, and I play FPS games online since 1999.
Oh, and I play FPS games online since 1999.
packy34
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Gemüsepizza;202193841 said:
Sorry, but you're wrong. Eliminating player choice is never good for players or the community. Know how to solve literally all of the problems you mentioned? Admin your own server and set it up however you want. I don't want the game telling me how I should play it just because people like you can't take a few minutes to search for an acceptable server.
Gemüsepizza
Member
How do I know that a specific server is "acceptable"? And are you seriously suggesting that I should rent my own server just so I can have a normal playing experience? Also, right now, there is no choice. The only real option you have is to play on a custom server of a shitty clan with stupid rules.
Guys, this is not really a controversial opinion. Even people like LevelCap have been criticising BF4 for stuff like this for a long time.
Reckless Onion
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Gemüsepizza;202194317 said:
just play on official servers, there are plenty of them filled
I like the way Counterstrike GO handles servers, you have matchmaking for folks who only want to play official content/playlist/rules on official servers and then you have community servers ran by anyone with server browser etc.
One of the main reasons I like server browsers is that you can sort out servers by ping which is always handy and searching for what you want is never hard. Nine times out of ten you'll find good servers which you then favourite and go back to easily. Sure you sometimes find servers with 'little Hitlers' running them but there's plenty that are run by decent folk too who just want to have fun. Then the other issue you have is that if a community is 'dying' or at least very small matchmaking can take a long time with a small pool of players and not very practical, whilst even having just a couple of servers favourited with a returning set of players can keep you playing for a long time.
Personally I think a combination of both is always handy, but taking away choices is never the way to go.
Just search the official servers surely ? Been a while since I've played BF4 but I don't recall it being that much of a problem to find DICE run servers unless they've started reducing those numbers available (which I would strongly disagree with them doing)
One of the main reasons I like server browsers is that you can sort out servers by ping which is always handy and searching for what you want is never hard. Nine times out of ten you'll find good servers which you then favourite and go back to easily. Sure you sometimes find servers with 'little Hitlers' running them but there's plenty that are run by decent folk too who just want to have fun. Then the other issue you have is that if a community is 'dying' or at least very small matchmaking can take a long time with a small pool of players and not very practical, whilst even having just a couple of servers favourited with a returning set of players can keep you playing for a long time.
Personally I think a combination of both is always handy, but taking away choices is never the way to go.
Gemüsepizza;202194317 said:
Just search the official servers surely ? Been a while since I've played BF4 but I don't recall it being that much of a problem to find DICE run servers unless they've started reducing those numbers available (which I would strongly disagree with them doing)
OdysseusVA
Banned
Gemüsepizza;202194317 said:
Oh, levelcap? Well that settles it then!
packy34
Member
Gemüsepizza;202194317 said:
LevelCap also wants one shot headshots removed from R6 Siege... His opinions don't hold much weight with people who actually play these games.
How do you know if a server is acceptable? Play on it for a round or 2. Is that so hard that the entire server system should be thrown out for a dumbed-down zero-choice matchmaking system?
And saying every single server is run by "clans" with "stupid rules" is hyperbole. They exist, but it's not every single server. Again, this is about you being too lazy to find something that suits you, and you think the answer is to punish everyone that enjoys it.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
*sigh*Gemüsepizza;202194171 said:
1. There are custom servers on the consoles so it's not just a PC thing.Gemüsepizza;202193841 said:
2. It leads to more variety, not less. If you see lot of Metro and Locker it's because people want to play them. Doesn't mean that there won't be any official servers left.
3. Hate the players, not the servers.
orichalcos
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Yes. \o/
Reckless Onion
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we are what ? 3 years in? i dont have a problem finding official servers at all.
ElzarTheBam
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I just need to hear that new theme.
packy34
Member
Most people don't have a problem using server browsers. Some people will find problems where none exist though.
mcz117chief
Member
Me too, the one from Battlefield 3 is an utter tripe, I presume the one from 4 isn't much better. Time to go back to the good old days of musical instruments.
packy34
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4 didn't really have the theme at all from what I remember.
Summer Haze
Banned
Gemüsepizza;202193841 said:
Your first point is completely false. I just took a look at the server browser on PS4 and while the majority of them are custom servers (hardcore), there are a wide variety of maps to choose from from both the vanilla and expansion maps. There are certain servers which rotate the same maps over and over, but, you know...maybe don't use those ones?
Your other two points are exaggerations and are easily avoidable, at least in my experience. I play custom servers exclusively and I can count the amount of times on one hand that I've been kicked from a server in around 500 hours of gameplay. And only one of those times was through mode abuse (I shot his chopper out of the sky with a tank and he kicked me). Other times were teamkilling (sometimes it just needs to be done
). And in regards to rules...they are rarely ever enforced, nor do they ever really change the flow or consistency of the game. It's usually just for things like no C4 jeeps, or no jet ramming, or certain weapons being frowned upon. And again, you could always just go find another server if you don't like the rules, as I said, there are plenty to choose from.Gemüsepizza;202194171 said:
What argument? Your argument is that You dont like that there are server with only one map being played. You know what? People enjoy that and matchmaking completely disallows that.
Having shitty experience on a server being admined by douchebags is similar to having bad experience in matchmaking.
Having a server browser in a game forces devs to make game around dedicated servers, which inherently expands the amount of customization of game modes and ensures that latency per match is better for majority of the players due to use of dedicated servers.
You know what i hate about games with only matchmaking? That all have stupid gameplay restrictions. They not only changes maps all the time, so You are forces to plays on ones You dont like, but also force userbase to "enjoy" settings set by developers like kills to win or match timelimit.
You know why Crysis 2 MP died fast on PC? Solely due to matchmaking.
Game had amazing mode called Assault, which was not played solely due to stupid time and match per kill restrictions. In games with dedicated servers You can change options like that, in games with matchmaking You are forced to some preset or just one 'balanced' option set by developers.
mcz117chief
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Well considering how the one from the 3rd game sounds I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't recognize it in the 4th one (it's probably some static in the background). Funny that 2142 is in future and despite that has an instrumental theme that is actually my favourite. I don't have a problem with electronic music in general but the theme of the 3rd game is just terrible.
BRRRRBBZZZZ BBRRRRRMMMMBBBZZZZ BRRRBBBZZZZZ
packy34
Member
I remember saying the same thing on reddit when 3 came out and I was downvoted into oblivion. I really loved the theme in 1943; it's probably the strongest version. I hope they haven't forgotten about it.
ElzarTheBam
Member
mcz117chief
Member
I guess it's just taste, but I couldn't adjust to the new themes myself. I know that many people share our feelings though.
Leyasu
Banned
Matchmaking on its own is without doubt one of the worst things to happen to online gaming. Especially when you have no control over any of it. Just thinking about Halos matchmaking makes me want rage..
When was the last time there was a futuristic battlefield?
Sidewinder
Member
Yeah that's probably pretty accurate
They should also go back to the roots for the theme. BF 1942, 1943 and BF2 theme were awesome, always listened to them for a while before actually playing the game.Reckless Onion
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packy34
Member
Some people grew up on that and don't understand why server browsers are so great. I would guess that's what's going on with that guy who was posting here. He made a few not so subtle jabs at the "PC master race", so yeah.
I would kill for Bad Company 3..
ElzarTheBam
Member
Well aparently one of the head guys from BC2 (not there now) wanted to make it, others at DICE did not.
Morning Star
Member
I'm really not against a well-implemented matchmaking system that enforces a server to use standard rulesets. Particularily fast-respawn vehicle servers were always mega annoying
Issue in BF4 now is that both the server browser and the matchmaking suck. The server browser was always iffy for me in that it straight up didn't show populated servers matching search criteria (with great pings, too!)
Issue in BF4 now is that both the server browser and the matchmaking suck. The server browser was always iffy for me in that it straight up didn't show populated servers matching search criteria (with great pings, too!)
-hadouken
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Battlefield 4 was not set in the Middle East...
wonderfuldays
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Will BF5 remove single player campaign and price for 49.99 this time?
They should.
They should.