Do we have actuall numbers? I dont trust estimates from Patcher.
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Disney Infinity Canceled; Disney Exits Console Publishing; Avalanche Shut [Statement]
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FantasticMrSnake
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Totally ignorant question, is this game online? or you can still play with your figures?
Galactic Barret
Member
Wait a second!
Does this mean MvC4 is possible now? Edit: Disney opening/curating its development groups was a main reason why MvC2/3 had to be pulled, correct?
Surely, with a move to licensing its IPs, this means those titles and its sequel(s) will be allow life again?
Does this mean MvC4 is possible now? Edit: Disney opening/curating its development groups was a main reason why MvC2/3 had to be pulled, correct?
Surely, with a move to licensing its IPs, this means those titles and its sequel(s) will be allow life again?
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Basically this.
After the first waves I wasnt bothered to buy any more figures. And here you have Nintendo, and I stil do it.
The figure slection was mostly crap, and its a pity becuase of the history Disney has with their own characters.
Too bad for Avalanche though. Hope they landed on their feet.
Lots of bad decisions coming from Disney lately. Only Disney animation seems to have some good decissions right now. Theme park and other media wise, the thing is going into the crapper becuase of some stupid suits. It feels like a small repeat of the Eisner era.
Pachter said the TTL segment wasn't shrinking, if anything it's remained flat despite new players entering the business. So that means some of the established brands gave a little to the new ones, but on the whole the segment was solid.
That makes sense given the market for TTL - younger players are likely to remain on previous generation platforms, which are cheaper and also have a larger base. So I would fully expect to see platforms selling in the last three years of their generation to sell more than those in the first three. It's a bigger market, easy as that.
The other question would be to look at the total sales across all platforms (old and new gen), and compare year over year to see how the segment is selling. If Pacther is correct, then you should see relatively flat numbers in sum.
But that's no different, even when Skylanders was the only game in town. It seems from the get-go Activision's business model was to sell high from the onset, and heavily discount throughout the life of that particular version, until the next release, and so on and so forth. Razor and blade situation, get people to buy into the base game, sell them figures perpetually. TTL must have higher margins as well, because they have sustained the lower sale prices for years.
I don't think they announced that. Only that Disney Infinity was written-off and Avalanche was closed. Playmation wasn't in the announcement. Disney Interactive will still continue, albeit just to oversee licensed product I imagine. Johnny V might still have a job at DI, who knows.
It's hard when it's not a core business unit. EA, Activision, Ubisoft - those companies can stomach development like this, because it's what they do. Disney was always going to treat it like a second child, because theme parks, studios and networks were going to get the attention and the money. As long as those were doing well, they would fund non-core business units like DI, which was probably more like an experiment to see what kind of revenue it could generate more than a staple of its future. Shareholders would likely see the spend across the board and say, why spend money on this business segment when it's marginal at best, when you can take that money and make another blockbuster movie with bigger returns? Or a new theme park ride? Or a new hotel?
It's a shame, because Disney would make a great publisher, but it's attention is elsewhere. That's also why you don't see Comcast jumping in, but rather licensing. WB is an isolated case, maybe big media companies can look at them and emulate for success. WBIE had revenue of $2.2 billion in 2015. EA, in comparison, had $4.5 billion in revenue in the same year. DI probably isn't anywhere near that, and was by all accounts healthy last year.
Disney Interactive, in comparison, does about $200-$250 million per quarter in revenue, so about half that of WB.
WBIE has around 5-10k employees; DI has around 2k.
Disney has a market cap around $173B; WB has a market cap of around $58B. WBIE has a bigger share of the overall cap than DI does with Disney. And that's why I believe all this has happened as it has. Not as much to do with the sales or health of Disney Infinity itself.
FYI none of this is financial advice. I'm just reading what's been reported.
You guys did, and it's been much appreciated. Thanks for the years of fun my family and I had with the games.
HamsterExAstris
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That's pretty impressive considering that Disney had just the one game to deliver revenue with...
SpacePirate Ridley
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At least the final releases will have another figure based on Johnny Depp portrayals.
There being no Mace Windu figure is a tragedy.
And what about this being probably a suit decission when classic DISNEY characters not being even present?
Where's freaking Goofy for godsake!
MrPressStart
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Does this include the Star Wars line? I was thinking about trying to collect some of those.
Hero of Legend
Member
This rumor would very well be true for a couple reasons.
1. Remember Reggie announced amiibo support in Disney Infinity and Skylanders when announcing amiibo at E3 2014? Only Skylanders happened but a year later.
2. These:
The former is a direct collab with a Nintendo IP (Art Academy), the latter is a localization of a Bandai Namco-published game.
I think Nintendo and Disney could be extremely powerful allies in the gaming industry if done right. Even better if Nintendo also allows Disney to make CG Nintendo IP movies with their Feature Animation division.
Bringing this post back because welp, Nintendo just announced Disney Magical World 2 for NA.
Yup. Everything.
CosmicQueso
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He was talking about 2015 year as a whole, and the flat for the year was despite Star Wars and Dimensions entry, and with Amiibo having a full year of sales compared to a partial year in 2014. All that happened last year was share shifting when, given the additions to the market, it should have seen significant growth. Q1 this year did not grow over last year. This is not what I'd think of being "solid".
That would definitely suck.
No that includes mobile too.
Interfectum
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Makes sense, they got out before the bottom fell. The novelty is gone.
Yes, especially sad there too as they had another Star Wars playset and figures getting released this year. Not sure what they would involve though. Maybe Rogue One related? Wonder if we'll ever see the gameplay and figures they were working on but ended up being scrapped.
I really wanted a play set for Pinocchio, Snow White, or Peter Pan. I really enjoyed the first game despite a few issuses, but I did not like how quickly they moved to a sequel when the director of the game kept calling it a platform that would expand to include more disney characters.
prag16
Banned
Well, having something like that go out on social media IMMEDIATELY before the call isn't exactly "controlling the message".
Razgriz-Specter
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But see the problem then was that they didn't do crap for new stuff either.
Wreck-it Ralph - just 2 figures
Frozen - just 2 characters and a 3rd added 2 games later
Maleficent - just a figure of the version of the character many didn't like compared to the classic No Aurora either.
Cinderella - well liked movie, no figures even more disappointing considering they kept the classic look.
Big Hero 6 - just 2 characters of a team
Inside Out - good support
Good Dinosaur - just a figure
Jungle Book - just 1 figure
Into the woods - nope
So really Inside Out and Lone Ranger are the only modern core Disney properties that weren't afterthoughts.
CosmicQueso
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The point is that the social media team probably weren't the first people told of a huge decision like this. It's not one hand not knowing what the other is doing with that tweet about upcoming releases meaning it all being chaotic and mismanaged. It was likely vey managed. The social people and dev probably had no idea what was coming when they showed up to work yesterday. I don't know what point you're trying to make.
This sucks. Hard to believe this wasn't making enough money. The number of platforms supported probably hurt.
I hope that servers stick around. I love playing in the toybox with my kids. My daughter has never enjoyed gaming as much as she has as Maleficent in the toybox.
I guess we're stuck with more licensed bejeweled clones from now on.
I hope that servers stick around. I love playing in the toybox with my kids. My daughter has never enjoyed gaming as much as she has as Maleficent in the toybox.
I guess we're stuck with more licensed bejeweled clones from now on.
AH crap, I didn't even think about the servers shutting down and losing all that user created content. This blows.
I think they sold well but probably the costs of development and manufacturing exceeded what they were selling.
Welcome to publically traded companies. You can be doing well, but unless you can project 3000% YoY Growth for the next 10 years, you're as good as dead to the day traders.
Chiaroscuro
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Because Inside Out (Pixar) and Lone Ranger (Deep) were safe bets (even if one of them bombed hard after). New franchises are a challenge to work with, there are huge developing costs so why they are forced to play it safe. That is why there were no Frozen playset (considered for 1.0 but scrapped for Lone Ranger, no one foresee its sucess), no Big Hero playset (Marvel stuff were given focus), no Aladdin (old stuff). Right it is easy to point their mistakes after you have everything in place, after the movies release. But could we really blamw them?
Other stuff: Angelina was the reason for the Malificient figure, that iscwhy no classic look. Good Dinosaur was not a safe bet, even for Pixar (did not make that splash either). Plus big dinos does not translate to DI figures, so Spot was the only option. Releasing Spot means Mowgli would be too similar. Also Jungle Book film has a realistic approach, while DI is cartoonish. Translating the movie characters to DI would kill them. Releasing the classic animation look figures would also confuse the costumers. Compromissed solution? Release only one iconic character. Could not be Mowgli, so Baloo.
Also at the beginning the management was afraed of releasing Disney Princess and any girl stuff because DI was seen as a boys toy. Wrong aproach that the development team was slowing correcting.
Ryan242004
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Wow... My son will be devastated 
he loves those things
he loves those thingsJames Scott
Banned
Infinity were the most expensive figures, right? Even with that, they had the biggest IPs in the business, I wonder what the profit margins on these things are. I don't believe Activision, Nintendo, nor Disney have disclosed this.
I think Nintendo mentioned that some actually lose money, IIRC while others make a small profit depending on their simplicity.
I think Nintendo mentioned that some actually lose money, IIRC while others make a small profit depending on their simplicity.
TheSlySoul
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To me they started getting good in 2.0. 3.0 included more details which was neat.
I am mostly really sad my dreams of a Simba figure are dead.
This is sad. Hope the Skylanders and Amiibos don't follow suit.
I don't see how Amiibo would be affected.
Changing shit on kids with autism is never fun.
I'm lucky, my autistic son only loves the figures. I was able to snag up the Hulk Buster and Ultron figures for 4 bucks each at Bestbuy. We didn't have the 3.0 version. I was worried he would get upset by not having the game, but he hasn't asked for it.
I'm hoping I can keep getting figures at a discounted rate.
Also, I wish disney would have just changed the business model to focus on the action/play packs. They could have kept churning those out to make a profit.
Man Called Aerodynamics
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My daughter is on the spectrum and really likes Infinity as well. At least Minecraft isn't going anywhere.
mediapulp_wes
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Shouldn't do as it's not developed by Disney. Although there was speculation there would be KH content for DI, but that's not gonna happen now.
Have to say this was the first thing I thought about when reading the first post, so hopefully a silver lining.
doubt it. SE doing the work.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/01...lar-toys-to-life-series-thanks-to-star-wars-2
From January this year...
From January this year...
Apparently that wasn't enough
mediapulp_wes
Member
Exactly. This is the problem when you need to keep shareholders and the market sweet. Making money isn't enough, you need to meet expectations. They didn't so they decided to cut their losses.
Ban Puncher
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Chiaroscuro
Member
Yes. It is like why you are spending x to get a 10% profit when you could spend x in another business and get 20%.
This was incredibly weird to me too, it was the only set from 2.0 to not come with a female character packed in, even 3.0 had all the sets come with a male and a female character with the sole exception of marvel battlegrounds with came with only one character.
Bringing this post back because welp, Nintendo just announced Disney Magical World 2 for NA.
Nintendo and Disney together would be a phenomenal fit. Nintendo to make Disney games and Disney to help manage the media portion of Nintendos IPs.
Talk about an opportunity for some great Disney games and also some half-decent Nintendo movies.
Lapidus' Beard
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Damn, outta nowhere! Didn't they just released some sort of planning of upcoming stuff?
Such a shame, as 3.0 was really fun to play.
Welll.... There goes my dream of one of the best licences they have becoming a playset, The Muppets.
Such a shame, as 3.0 was really fun to play.
Welll.... There goes my dream of one of the best licences they have becoming a playset, The Muppets.
Father_Brain
Banned
And licensing, including Battlefront.
James Scott
Banned
Saw that people were throwing around the idea of Disney licensing their IPs for LEGO Dimensions?
WB has Star Wars Legos but it seems like Disney blocked them from adding them to Lego dimensions.
They're releasing LEGOs based on classic disney characters as well
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202408
WB has Star Wars Legos but it seems like Disney blocked them from adding them to Lego dimensions.
They're releasing LEGOs based on classic disney characters as well
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1202408
Fox Mulder
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Never played the game, but the figures looked great.