Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
Yes, way, way higher than the standard Xbox One at least, especially on the CPU side. Which leads me to believe they're gonna come out of the gate swinging, power-wise, if Occulus support is true.
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Kotaku: XB1 Slim 2016, More Powerful XB1 Scorpio/VR 2017, iterative boxes from now on
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Well people have gone though the same thing with phones and tablets. I'm going to guess that it's not going to be that hard.
Dyson Industries
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The bolded is my key takeaway as well. Shifting to a PC-centric service for the Xbox brand is a matter of survival for Microsoft at this point.
They are a set of specs.
They are a representation of 400 dollars worth of graphics power from the year 2013.
PS4 Neo is going to be where graphics and computing power is in 2016
Scorpio is going to be where graphics are computing power is in 2017
They are x86 based machines, and we are now finally reached the logical place where we are going to have backwards compatibility in perpetuity.
HBM2?
PSNeo, no way -- XBScorpio, likely (with Vega).
PS5, for sure (if not, then whatever AMD's "Nextgen Memory" is).
Yep. I made the guess after the Halo 5 NPD that Halo 6 would launch day and date on pc and console. Looks like I was correct.
I don't know if it's survival, but I like their take on "console" gaming. They are essentially creating a "Nexus" device with Scorpio that developers can create a baseline for fidelity, performance, and expectation.
The PC essentially becomes an Xbox Certified Box with scalability as far as your money takes you.
thehillissilent
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Windows 10 store adoption is crucial to MS at this point. Their 1-year free upgrade to Windows 10 was all apart of the plan. I don't think MS is going to stop making Xbox devices anytime soon though. Some people still prefer their physical media.
The Xbox console is going to become PC-lite, basically a PC locked down to the Windows 10 store with the Universal Windows Apps and Xbox games. It will be like the Google and Apple ecosystem. It would be funny for MS to allow side-loading of apps onto Xbox.
HBM2?
PSNeo, no way -- XBScorpio, likely (with Vega).
PS5, for sure (if not, then whatever AMD's 'Nextgen' memory is).
Amy I don't think Microsoft will put in HBM 2 next year. The tech will still be immature with foundries still working out kinks. I'd imagine a likelier scenario of 4X Xbox One's memory bandwith aka 68X4 = 280 GB/S in Scorpio.
Hockeymac18
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Yes. Or in other words, "Xbox" becomes a platform at that point. Which I think can potentially be a great thing, especially as far as hardware innovation is concerned.
The challenge will be in tying everything together seamlessly between all potential configurations, and not confusing the consumer on messaging (I feel like this will be the biggest challenge... Naming conventions and announcements need to be well done here)
If the console come out later and you agree on the same price it should (by definition) be more powerful.
Price meaning production costs.
Why are people thinking that 'oculus support' means that it would be equivalent to the power of a PC running Oculus Software, as in a 970ti / Intel i5-4590 combo?
In essence, Oculus is just a head-mounted display with tracking. They could be targeting completely different performance from the new Xbox console with console specific VR software. I mean, the PS4 has shown itself to be quite capable of VR already with PSVR. The Oculus headset could just as easily scale down using console hardware if they wanted to.
XBScorpio likely to be Vega based? Great if true, should be interesting. But if Polaris based then I doubt it. :/
qa_engineer
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Yep. Nvidia so desperately wants a piece of the custom soc market.
I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm saying it won't happen. I mean why stop there if we're playing the money is no object game and pie in the sky type dreams can come true, why not a dual Vega GPU with HBM2 and Zen CPU.
Edit: 2017 does change the price of these off the shelf type products though so I won't completely rule it out.
tiredheadcrab
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Polygon is reporting that the performance target for Scorpio is 6 teraflops. What's ps4 neo supposed to be?
http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/25/11774294/xbox-one-slim-one-two-scorpio
http://www.polygon.com/2016/5/25/11774294/xbox-one-slim-one-two-scorpio
johnnydrama
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6 TF is a really really powerful device. It has to be Vega at this point! We are talking GCN flagship performance!
Hmm, wonder if they are making that up or it came from a source.
wonderful103
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This is all a story with no real basis.
Iterative has been planned from the get go.
Again, by all console manufacturers.
And money talks for the rest of it. Wherever the money may be flowing from is where the marketing and dlc deals go.
And last but not least, first party means close to nothing nowadays. Third party games are, for the most part, putting asses in the seats.
SEGAvangelist
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Yeah, just read this. Xbox One Slim in August and Scorpio in late 2017. They also say MS was expecting Neo, but in 2017 and not 2016. That lines up with Gopher's posts here. He indicated that MS was caught off guard.
outunderthestars
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4.2 but this is Authur Gies, so I would take his report with more than one grain of salt.
Yeah, I guess that makes sense.
Well, probably no HBM2 until "Xbox Tarantula" or whatever, and PlayStation 5.
qa_engineer
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Thats more powerful than a 390X or 980.
I was about to say, for 2017 that's really not "pie in the sky type dreams" lol. And if Polygon is anywhere close to the ballpark of a 6TF console, then Vega is definitely a possibility.
I'm sure Polygon has some sort of rumour verification and corroboration mechanism. We have no reasn to doubt them.
tiredheadcrab
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Gies was the secret sauce guy with the Xbox one.
Swass
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6 months time is hardly enough time for technology to evolve to the point where a console priced the same as it's competitor is going to substantially outperform it.
I also think another hurdle Microsoft is going to encounter is changing the architecture likely means there won't be forward compatibility, so likely there will be 2 copies of Xbox games sitting on store shelves, Xbox One and Xbox Two versions. Also all Xbox One games will likely need patches to run on the new architecture unless they build in a native mode to run them. Seems a lot more messy than the Sony plans that's for sure.
KyanMehwulfe
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This is the sentiment I've read the most in terms of the business and financial side of the hardware industry.
They look at smartphones selling new versions $400 phones every year and then back to their own 6-8 year lifecycles, and feel rather jealous and wonder why they cannot have the same annual iterative upgrade incentives.
Of course it brings its own risk, especially as the difference between each iteration (especially to consumers) changes less and less. Computers, laptops, smartphones have all begun to commoditize, and consoles could face the same risk if the improvements per iteration begin to have diminishing returns (which is both objective based on specs but also somewhat subjective because consumers become desensitized slowly to too regular iterations). The 'wow' of each new product could end up facing the same problems that laptops or smartphones do, if they try release iterations annually. So, while it'll likely help revenues a lot in the short run, it does carry longer term risks, too, if they release improvements too often.
thehillissilent
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If it truly is 6TF, that console is going to be a beast.
I'm pretty damn sure whatever Microsoft is targetting will eventually be double sourced and cross examined by multiple other websites.
Rumours say it could be considerably more powerful. I don't know what the point is for MS if it's not. They can't be 'just equal' to the winning team and hope to sway people over. They need to blow the PS4k out of the water and make Xbox the place to play multiplats again. If that means it becomes the 'premium' machine, and is a little more expensive, then so be it. Right now they have basically no USP at all, and with their exclusives now being on PC there's even less of a USP.
And yes, they'll always have an uphill fight in Europe, sure.
That fool tried to turn INTO the secret sauce by the end lmao. It was a sight to behold seeing them feverish posts before the XB1 launch to the shitstorm that washed over afterwards.
SinCityAssassin
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Scorpio Kinect based microsoft believe.
Mass Effect
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It probably won't be. An announcement there for a system months away would tank sales.
I mean they matter to some extent, but if the sales of most MS (and Sony really) exclusives are to go by, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to.
You think the people who buy Xboxes mainly to play CoD, Madden, and Assassin's Creed will all go jumping to PC? And what about their friends? You think people will leave their friends?
Let's face it, most console players don't even consider PC gaming an option.
Dee Dah Dave
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6TF is what I predicted a while back. It's about the max they can do for a holiday 2017 system at a reasonable price.
It wont have anything to do with the XB1 though IMO. They will drop that like a bad smell and go full steam ahead with the next gen message.
It wont have anything to do with the XB1 though IMO. They will drop that like a bad smell and go full steam ahead with the next gen message.
Interesting how they said they decided to announce Scorpio this year instead of the next so as to have something against the PS4 Neo.
Xbox One Two??
Based ekim.
2017 tho.
i'd imagine it'll be earlier in the year to better compete with neo. i'd be surprised if its late 2017. in other words, MS will make sure we know about it to garnish mindshare during the 2016 neo launch. we definitely could see something at e3.
though i guess the rumor directly states that they just shared this with devs a week ago... so perhaps not shown/discussed at e3... but 2016! maybe.
EDIT: see above
EDIT 2: i see polygon is saying late 2017
pixellated_man
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This. The real reason why consoles will remain appealing to the mass market, iterative model or not.
There are of course several other reasons why people choose consoles over pc's but ease of use and simplicity is perhaps the primary one.
For me, games on physical media which I can sell, exchange or share with other people is the biggie. Oh, and exclusives of course. Can't remain a gamer and be ok missing out on Sony and Nintendo exclusives personally. Pc exclusives just don't have the same appeal to me. And those that do, eventually appear on console anyway. Divinity original sin being a recent example.
thehillissilent
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I'm thinking that $500 might be the base price especially with a cheaper XB1 Slim model available to play the same games. $400 would be a dream though with that amount of power. I'm still curious about the CPU.
wonderful103
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It's going to work the same way as Sony and Nintendo's.
Architectures can change, bringing new cert processes and game profiles. But they're on the same API.
I wonder where they will draw the line as far as requiring that new games be able to run on the older hardware? So if we assume that for the next few years everything will run on new Neo/Scorpio hardware as well as the original PS4/xbone hardware, what happens in 2019/2020 if/when the next iteration of more powerful hardware releases? Will they still require that new games in 2021 run on the 2013 consoles? Or will it be at the developer's discretion how many iterations back they must support? It could a sort of rolling system of current hardware plus the last 1 or 2 revisions, or they could draw hard lines at certain points that designate a new "generation". Obviously there has to be a line drawn somewhere and it needs to be done in a way that is relatively transparent to the casual / low information consumer. Maybe by then the industry will have gone fully digital and the software will just prevent purchasing/downloading a game that is incompatible and then it can really vary from title to title. I think that's how the mobile marketplace usually works. I can see some developers wanting to maximize sales by supporting as large an install base as possible, however others may want to innovate in ways that precludes supporting the older platforms.
I'd be very surprised If they announced this more powerful xbox at E3 this year. Xbox One sales would tank as would software. Plus who in there right mind would buy a slim x1 and another xbox a year later.
