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The perks of not selling well.
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Sony confirms PS4 Neo, [Cites smartphone cycle, waiting until enough games post E3]
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The perks of not selling well.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Doesn't anyone still remember how this generation started? Sony said "nah, no need to rush to market; we're gonna hang back and react to whatever Microsoft does" at which point they knew they'd be first to hit market.
What if House is just lying and playing coy? If it is there but not on the show floor. They know it's out. They still want to show it and they might as well. The Dev kits out (according to posters in this thread) so it is happening. These people aren't bound to speak the truth, ya'know?
What if House is just lying and playing coy? If it is there but not on the show floor. They know it's out. They still want to show it and they might as well. The Dev kits out (according to posters in this thread) so it is happening. These people aren't bound to speak the truth, ya'know?
DeepEnigma
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Iced Arcade
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No surprised. I disn't expect the neo, scorpion or NX at E3.
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
Kaz Hirai spoke to The Times when he said they'd hang back and react to Microsoft. We created the same buzz then. What's different? Why do we always assume they are speaking the truth? I'm not being paranoid I'm just saying that we should treat this as what it is. A PR person trying to create PR. Not scripture.
...Scatter...
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Creative chatter?
kinoki
Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
It's certainly creative.
To me it feels increasingly like Neo ships in 2017, at least in NA. One possibility would be that they release Neo in Japan holiday 2016, giving PSVR the focus for holiday 2016 everywhere else. That shows some love to the smaller Japan audience and gives them a 4K bluray player, gets the manufacturing rolling, and even if they are losing a bit of money at first it won't be much.
Then in Feb/March 2017 when console sales are slow, introduce the Neo to get the early adopters in and excited.
Finally in Fall 2017 when Scorpio is released, they drop the price to be lower than Scorpio if it significantly outperforms Neo.
Then in Feb/March 2017 when console sales are slow, introduce the Neo to get the early adopters in and excited.
Finally in Fall 2017 when Scorpio is released, they drop the price to be lower than Scorpio if it significantly outperforms Neo.
gundamkyoukai
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Even with more power 60fps is not certain .
Open world games would really get help from a better cpu still even then i don't think some devs will do that .
When you look at it a good amount of games are already 60fps this gen .
geordiemp
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Nah, the only way Sony would give up Xmas sales world wide is if they have to wait for the technology to be ready for production (CPU improvement).
If Neo is ready for Japan, its ready world wide. Sony no longer thinks like Nintendo imo, japan is not important for the console market. Sony seemed to have woken up to where the market is and re-organised to focus on how to sell well (and thats not Japan).
Nothing is certain, but a Jaguar CPU is more likely to be the bottleneck in most cases if Sony do little to the CPU but up the clock.
Games that I like such as Witcher or Games running on Frostbite I think will get options from those devs, as they do it on PC anyway.
bigboss370
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awesome, good on them for getting ahead of this. and also not taking up E3 conference time for it as well. Sony seems to be staying in tune with what people want (and don't want) from E3 press conferences.
Obscuritas
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Performance-wise I agree, some terrible exceptions aside. In any case, the future still seems a developer's nightmare.
CouldBeWorse
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There is less than zero chance that it launches in Japan first.
It really depends on the CPU and how smoothly they can move code between the consoles. If the CPU is substantially better and code translates easily, I think a lot of devs would opt to go for 60 with some better AA/AF/shadows and be done. No one would be disappointed with that and it would be faster and less work than other options and the older console will still have a nice looking and viable 30fps build.
I genuinely think that advertising this as a 60fps gaming box with 4K blu support would be the best approach if they want to target high end, enthusiast players.
I know it won't happen in all cases but I think it would be a good scenario overall.
Garbage. Many people care about quality, enough people that TVs are being made the way they are and how they're marketed. Same goes for audio.
DVDs are cheap, as is the equipment used for it. Fortunately, those players are getting all but entirely phased out and even if it has to force people to buy at least a bluray player is better. Just like how people are starting to get forced into buying 4K/UHD TVs because the 1080p models are garbage and all the quality features can only be had on mid-upper tier UHD TVs. Those people when they buy these sets with online reviews, or in big box stores like Best Buy will be basically told they need to get better stuff to get a better picture.
And VHS stayed alive long into the DVD age. DVDs will thankfully die, sooner than later hopefully.
But I don't care. If people are happy with mid-tier PQ and low-tier audio that's fine, they can keep it with their streaming and even worse DVDs. There's more than enough people wanting or getting sold into higher quality stuff, and it will come along, even if forced into homes.
Robot Pants
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I like you. Hyped reinstated
I'd imagine Sony's answer would be PS5 in 2-3 years.
Which would likely be an even higher-spec PS4, but with the base number changed to indicate a new generation of software.
Patapwn
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As in, they're not going to stop selling the regular ps4. They're going with a budget and a high end version simultaneously on the market.
Obscuritas
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He's talking from the market point of view, he's not referring to the indivudual consumer.
fart town usa
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DerZuhälter;206306849 said:
Er mah gerd, it's gerna be so unintersting.... lol.
Just messing.
The Artisan
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I wish this was all a lie bro.
fart town usa
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Interesting.
Still gonna hold out for more details but if future games and VR are compatible with the current ps4, I might just have go the casual route rather than be all hardcore about it.....lol.
Still gonna hold out for more details but if future games and VR are compatible with the current ps4, I might just have go the casual route rather than be all hardcore about it.....lol.
THE:MILKMAN
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From the International Business Times:
So information is still possible, just no physical console shown (which I never expected)?
http://www.ibtimes.com/e3-2016-sony-confirms-ps4k-neo-upgrade-dont-expect-reveal-next-week-2380695
So information is still possible, just no physical console shown (which I never expected)?
http://www.ibtimes.com/e3-2016-sony-confirms-ps4k-neo-upgrade-dont-expect-reveal-next-week-2380695
Smh.
He's not talking about literally having the two consoles sitting next to each other in your home. It's a business idiom indicating that two similar products where one has extra features don't cannibalise each other's sakes.
Like the Apple S-suffix indicating a slightly higher spec, the two products 'sir' next to each other.
OT - if he's ring straight up the reason they're not showing it at E3 is because there's no content to show yet. One there are a few games ready we'll see it.
Interesting targeting too - definitely looks like it'll have a UHDBD player.
If you held the purchase until now, I believe that wait for Neo is the best choice, you will have a better machine to enjoy in less than a year I suppose.
Lifejumper
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Pls let it be 399..
Audioboxer
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I think like 95% of people expected Feb 2013 PS4 style unveil anyway. It will be hilarious if all Sony meant was they're not showing the physical unit and we still get specs/release date and price. Will make this topic look hilarious.
In reality though, I expect none of the 3 above. At most just a PR confirmation style sentence parroting the above (it's coming, stay tuned).
that would suck. glad it isn't the case
Or is it?
BradleyLove
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Given Neo-enabled titles can start being released from September 21st 2016 onwards, I'd be tempted to believe it's coming this year.
StrongBlackVine
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That is pure speculation by the author. Don't expect to them to say anything.
Please let it be $499...
its not
You have one?
Sony actually has a certification clause preventing it from running worse on Neo.
It does seem a bit like the worst of both worlds. People know it's coming, so many will want to wait rather than buy a standard PS4, but we don't know what it is or what benefits it will offer. It's all the downside of announcing without any of the hype building.
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