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Zelda Wii U - Recap of 5 hours gameplay stream

Formless

Member
It was days after being enchanted by this new Zelda gameplay that I finally realized "wait a second. We're back to button pressing for sword gameplay. Isn't that a step back?"

Wii Motion + was amazing for sword control. But then the irony is, is that really all Skyward Sword's legacy will be known for? Is it even an effective legacy when a demo for this game was revealed and not once in hours of watching did I remember that I was "supposed" to feel like the series regressed in combat, because everything else looked so amazing?

Is this a sign of how weak the legacy of motion controls really is? Because I loved Skyward Swords one-of-a-kind motion control puzzles and gameplay. But it's seemingly and clearly not the pinnacle of Zelda design, because of what BotW is now doing, which is an interesting thought to me. Just really interesting thoughts.

I liked the motion controls as well though I seem to have a better time with motion controls than most people I know or read about.

I think SS was too late during the Wii craze to make too much of an impact, as was Wii Motion+ in general really. Red Steel 2 and SS controlled more like what the initial sizzle trailers for Wii games depicted, but it took years.


It seems like having more puzzle elements outside of dungeons was sparked by efforts in SS at least, and some of the art style seems to have carried over to this new game.
 
WW and TP do exactly the same thing story wise as what people are suggesting with BotW. Both WW and TP tell OoT's plot and explains what happened in between.

Also with a world this large, I wouldn't expect some sort of other world.

There's a clear difference between those two outcomes (child Link and adult Link) and the Hero's downfall outcome- both of those outcomes actually happened in OoT, and the Hero's downfall never did!

It really wouldn't sit well with most players if they found out that this Link was the same one from OoT and for some reason this one died fighting Ganon, whereas everyone's memory of how OoT played out doesn't show that as an ending. I get it that it was brought in to make the timeline somewhat cohesive, but I really seriously doubt they will ever touch this downfall event directly.

As for other world, I actually think there's a good chance we will see one, specifically because Aonuma stated that the towns were very tied into the story, and from what we've seen in the present in BotW we haven't seen evidence of towns. I honestly think there will be some sort of time travel. Perhaps it will be the exact same world and landscape used, but there will be another layer of the world in this game.
 
I loved what I saw of Breath of the Wind, but I really hope the NX version runs at a higher resolution and/or frame rate. That WiiU gameplay was definitely sub-1080p.
 

Vena

Member
I'm thinking it's definitely Fallen Hero Timeline 100 years after OoT. Before The Sealing War.

They would need to sort of retcon the bit about the seven sages and Zelda sealing Ganon shortly after Link's defeat, but since that tidbit only appears in a couple sentences of HH, that is probably one of the easiest parts of the timeline to modify. They already kinda rewrote the intro of ALTTP for OoT, so a few lines in HH are nothing.

My problem with this time table is that the master sword, and the general state of Hylia, seems to have been left to the elements for a millennia not a measly hundred years.
 

MajorMane

Member
My problem with this time table is that the master sword, and the general state of Hylia, seems to have been left to the elements for a millennia not a measly hundred years.

To be fair, time in Hyrule moves at its own damn speed. Landscapes and locations change on a whim in a few years where in the real world it would take much, much longer.

Regarding the Master Sword, well, obviously something happened to it. If you subscribe to the Fallen Hero timeline theory, then it's likely it was damaged in the fight with Ganon(dorf). If you subscribe to a post-WW theory, well, obviously it's damaged because it's been under water for so long! If you subscribe to a "Nintendo doesn't care about the timeline that much" theory, game design! And so on, so forth.
 

RagnarokX

Member
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:

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4D0zdQW.jpg


Prtv4D4.jpg


jHcut6d.gif


So it looks like the Eastern Abby is where Hyrule Castle was.

My problem with this time table is that the master sword, and the general state of Hylia, seems to have been left to the elements for a millennia not a measly hundred years.

The Master Sword looks like it's been damaged in battle and left in the elements. The Temple of Time looks much less damaged than the Twilight Princess version and TP was only about 100 years, too.
 

zeldablue

Member
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:

Hhhhnnnnggg....

Well there you have it folks.

EDIT: So maybe Death Mountain became inactive and was renamed Mt. Hylia, yeah?
 
Someone here asked me to try cutting a really big tree and you can't. The ax just phases through the giant trees. I hope they add some sort of indication that the tree is too thick for Link. Everything is so interactive, so the tree phasing thing took me out of the experience a little.

Aw. I wanted to cut them down. Thank you for trying it.
 

KingBroly

Banned
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:

MDG3rnw.jpg


4D0zdQW.jpg


Prtv4D4.jpg


jHcut6d.gif


So it looks like the Eastern Abby is where Hyrule Castle was.

The Master Sword looks like it's been damaged in battle and left in the elements. The Temple of Time looks much less damaged than the Twilight Princess version and TP was only about 100 years, too.

So you're saying the Great Plateau is literally Hyrule Field from OOT? Well, a good portion of it, anyway.
 

Hobbun

Member
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:


So it looks like the Eastern Abby is where Hyrule Castle was.

Ok, so 60% of OoT’s world fits in 2% of BotW's world? Fuck, that is awesome.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:

MDG3rnw.jpg


4D0zdQW.jpg


Prtv4D4.jpg


jHcut6d.gif


So it looks like the Eastern Abby is where Hyrule Castle was.



The Master Sword looks like it's been damaged in battle and left in the elements. The Temple of Time looks much less damaged than the Twilight Princess version and TP was only about 100 years, too.

Wow.

Wow wow wow wow.

Holy shit.
 

RagnarokX

Member
Hhhhnnnnggg....

Well there you have it folks.

EDIT: So maybe Death Mountain became inactive and was renamed Mt. Hylia, yeah?

Not necessarily. I'm saying that the entire plateau was lifted into the sky and dropped in the south away from Ganon. This map shouldn't be taken for 100% because obviously the scale of things between OoT and BotW is different, but the Temple of Time and Eastern Abby at least match up with the Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle.
 

MajorMane

Member
Not necessarily. I'm saying that the entire plateau was lifted into the sky and dropped in the south away from Ganon. This map shouldn't be taken for 100% because obviously the scale of things between OoT and BotW is different, but the Temple of Time and Eastern Abby at least match up with the Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle.

Lifting large land masses into the sky and then dropping them wherever they feel like it? Preposterous.

The map is pretty interesting. Would seemingly further help link this game to OoT as Aonuma has hinted.
 
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:

MDG3rnw.jpg


4D0zdQW.jpg


Prtv4D4.jpg


jHcut6d.gif


So it looks like the Eastern Abby is where Hyrule Castle was.



The Master Sword looks like it's been damaged in battle and left in the elements. The Temple of Time looks much less damaged than the Twilight Princess version and TP was only about 100 years, too.

Holy shit, this is amazing.

And terribly depressing. I feel like this new Zelda game will have a darker tone than previous Zelda games, albeit its colorful graphics. Which is great. That whole Hyrule in ruins thing they are going for allows for a deep storyline
 

BowieZ

Banned
Wait why are we assuming the Great Plateau was airlifted? Just because of the manmade walls around it?

Could they not have built those walls to keep it from eroding away?
 
Not necessarily. I'm saying that the entire plateau was lifted into the sky and dropped in the south away from Ganon. This map shouldn't be taken for 100% because obviously the scale of things between OoT and BotW is different, but the Temple of Time and Eastern Abby at least match up with the Temple of Time and Hyrule Castle.

Yeah that's a great find! I doubt the landmass was actually moved, they just have applied a much larger scale outside of the Hyrule castle town ruins. I wonder why it's specifically called an abbey though? That implies a church, which I can't really recall seeing since AoL.
 
Holy shit, this is amazing.

And terribly depressing. I feel like this new Zelda game will have a darker tone than previous Zelda games, albeit its colorful graphics. Which is great. That whole Hyrule in ruins thing they are going for allows for a deep storyline

It's like the feeling when you
went to sunken Hyrule in Wind Waker. Just waves and waves of melancholy even when you restored color to the area. Only this is a whole level above that.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
So Mt. Hylia is an old, inactive Death Mountain.

That or Zora's Domain remained frozen over and just got worse. Causing Zora's River to overflow.

I still think it's just a very expanded re-imagining of Hyrule Castle/Town area and not the entirety of an older Hyrule. But anything is possible.
 

RagnarokX

Member
Wait why are we assuming the Great Plateau was airlifted? Just because of the manmade walls around it?

Could they not have built those walls to keep it from eroding away?

Because it looks like Sky Keep, which the Temple of Time was built on top of:

4XxPfwI.jpg


The base of the plateau is surround by clouds, meaning it may be airborne. The plateau is described as a sacred place that no one can enter until recently when monsters started appearing.

Yeah that's a great find! I doubt the landmass was actually moved, they just have applied a much larger scale outside of the Hyrule castle town ruins. I wonder why it's specifically called an abbey though? That implies a church, which I can't really recall seeing since AoL.

The scale isn't just different. The entire thing is rotated 90 degrees.
 

rhandino

Banned
I wonder why it's specifically called an abbey though? That implies a church, which I can't really recall seeing since AoL.
An abbey is a building or collection of buildings, typically providing work and housing for Christian and Catholic monks and nuns, though the term has also been applied to the homesteads of nobility.

an ancient Hyrule Castle turned into an Abbey when they build a new castle? =P
 
Has anyone played the trailer music backwards yet?

We have to dissect everything!

No idea how to play it backwards, but I just watched the trailer at 2x speed and it the music was deliciously goofy, with the benefit of making the game appear to run at 60fps! Worth a look!

An abbey is a building or collection of buildings, typically providing work and housing for Christian and Catholic monks and nuns, though the term has also been applied to the homesteads of nobility.

an ancient Hyrule Castle turned into an Abbey when they build a new castle? =P

Ah good call, I've only heard it in reference to Christianity, although I believe several Dragon Quest games have had abbeys and abbots too, typically referencing a religion. I guess the Hylian religion is either dedicated to Hylia or the three goddesses, or I guess even the Triforce. Could tie into the Hyrule royal family too.
 
Probably already stated since I'm a bit late on the long form videos that have been out, but do the menus run at 45/60fps? YouTube is always a bad place to reference for anything visual, but I've seen on more than one video that there run noticeably smoother than the game does.
 

BowieZ

Banned
Has anyone played the trailer music backwards yet?

We have to dissect everything!
Numerous people have made YouTube videos of it. Sadly my hard-worked original music I uploaded last week is currently 13 pages back in a sea of hundreds of trailer music rips, speed ups and reversals lol.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
I still think the Great Plateau is just a re-imagined/scaled up version of Castle Town/Hyrule Castle area and probably not much more. No movement or anything fancy going on. But who knows at this point. Would be pretty wild if the entirety of the old kingdom of Hyrule was just that plateau region.


The position of everything still doesn't make much sense if you're trying to map it to OoT's map or any of the other games really. You just have to let it go at a certain point when it comes to Zelda and how Nintendo operates with the details and geography of the series.
 

BowieZ

Banned
Because it looks like Sky Keep, which the Temple of Time was built on top of:

4XxPfwI.jpg


The base of the plateau is surround by clouds, meaning it may be airborne. The plateau is described as a sacred place that no one can enter until recently when monsters started appearing.
There's definitely a similarity but the architecture looks completely different, and actually resembles the architecture of the Temple of Time, which is interesting. But I think you point out a bigger clue which is the clouds. They could suggest recent airborne status... or of course they could just be there to represent how high and separate it is.

My theory is that the earth had eroded greatly from the Great Flood, except for Hyrule because of its protection from the water for so long. And after the floodwaters subsided, a fortifying wall was built around Hyrule to stop it from crumbling away.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
Well, it's not like they haven't done it before...

True, a bit different but similar enough. The main difference is that the greater world isn't just more places like AoL, but looks to be the same locations as the original just farther away and with a few places, like the ToT, being in totally different locations compared to the others.
 
This may not be through 'upgrades'. Eating certain foods and potions increase your ability, so it may just be referring to things that boost, rather than permanent upgrades. Nate was pretty hesitant to answer that question in gamexplain's interview and gave a ambiguous answer.

Not only that, but it may also refer to things that increase your ability to traverse, such as the hookshot, which in a lot of cases would negate the need for extra stamina.

That's... clearly not what the quote is saying? It specifically says "stamina upgrades", not traveling items. I mean, who knows, but at that point you might as well think the entire thing is fabricated. :D
 
So I found this nice map of OoT and decided to overlay it with the Great Plateau map using the Temple of Time as a scale and orientation base:

MDG3rnw.jpg


4D0zdQW.jpg


Prtv4D4.jpg


jHcut6d.gif


So it looks like the Eastern Abby is where Hyrule Castle was.



The Master Sword looks like it's been damaged in battle and left in the elements. The Temple of Time looks much less damaged than the Twilight Princess version and TP was only about 100 years, too.


if thats hyrule castle, then whats that castle where calamity ganon is? New Hyrule Castle? spirit tracks sequel confirmed?



Wait , whats that flying thing in the distance.
 

Enduin

No bald cap? Lies!
if thats hyrule castle, then whats that castle where calamity ganon is? New Hyrule Castle? spirit tracks sequel confirmed?

Well in two of the 3 timelines Hyrule Castle was totally destroyed by Ganon, so the prevailing idea is that they built a new Hyrule Castle/Town in another location that wasn't completely devastated by a demon king for 7+ years.
 
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