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Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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mmazurkiewicz
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anyone know how much cleveland plasma is selling the 65" E6 for?
Mr. Wonderful
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Those are two different brands of TVs... Not even close to a 1:1 comparison.
It shows that even at higher nits of brightness on the LCD (something very important for HDR) that Dolby Vision still produces the brighter, more detailed image.
There are DV tech demos for single screen users that display the difference. DV is the clear winner for now until HDR adopts dynamic metadata.
Dr. Zoidberg
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Everything sub-4K is going to be upscaled. The numbers we have are for 1080p, which the PS4, 360, and XB1 output. Which resolutions are you concerned about?
OG_Original Gamer
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Dolby Vision can win, if Dolby can get the chipset into new UHD bluray players next year. Another problem, is Sony and Samsung don't want Dolby chipsets in their displays. One they don't have to license the tech, and two, the idea of another chipset taking control of their display don't sit well with them.
Dolby Vision does have wins already, most movies will have already been color graded in Dolby Vision for theaters. Cheaper display manufactures may increase the number of available displays with Dolby Vision. It has already gotten big content streaming support.
Vizio in the U.S will sell more displays than Sony/Samsung.
For those that do have access to Vudu Dolby Vision, Mad Max FR has been regraded to reference quality. Its like watching a new film.
Dolby Vision does have wins already, most movies will have already been color graded in Dolby Vision for theaters. Cheaper display manufactures may increase the number of available displays with Dolby Vision. It has already gotten big content streaming support.
Vizio in the U.S will sell more displays than Sony/Samsung.
For those that do have access to Vudu Dolby Vision, Mad Max FR has been regraded to reference quality. Its like watching a new film.
The issue for me will be Xbox One S and PS4K not supporting it and I'll be using the latter as my UHD Blu Ray driver for quite some time.
PS2, Wii, and SNES. I already have a CRT that I usually play on but I'm wondering whether increased input lag is worth it to play on a 65"
The Hermit
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I live in Brasil, so I can only buy cheap TVs (and pay a lot for them)
Are those ones passable?
http://4k.com/tv/a-review-of-the-lg-electronics-49ub8200-49-inch-4k-ultra-hd-60hz-smart-led-tv/
http://4k.com/tv/lg-uf6800-review-4k-ultra-hd-tv-series-55uf6800-65uf6800/
Are those ones passable?
http://4k.com/tv/a-review-of-the-lg-electronics-49ub8200-49-inch-4k-ultra-hd-60hz-smart-led-tv/
http://4k.com/tv/lg-uf6800-review-4k-ultra-hd-tv-series-55uf6800-65uf6800/
*sigh*
I am still no closer to finding a choice a few weeks ago than I am now and I have been all over Rtings. I don't know if I should trust the ratings or not. My priority is gaming and thus far my two picks are VIZIO D55-D2 D-Series 55" Class Full Array LED Smart TV (Black) and the Vizio P50-C1.
Between those two, what should I get? 4K doesn't mean much to me right now.
I am still no closer to finding a choice a few weeks ago than I am now and I have been all over Rtings. I don't know if I should trust the ratings or not. My priority is gaming and thus far my two picks are VIZIO D55-D2 D-Series 55" Class Full Array LED Smart TV (Black) and the Vizio P50-C1.
Between those two, what should I get? 4K doesn't mean much to me right now.
JadedWriter
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Anybody know if either of these are any good?
VIZIO D-Series D40u-D1 40
VIZIO SmartCast E-Series E43u-D2 43
Sorry about asking about broke man sets but I'm on a budget. I also don't need 4K so if you guys could recommend something in that size and price range that'd be great.
VIZIO D-Series D40u-D1 40
VIZIO SmartCast E-Series E43u-D2 43
Sorry about asking about broke man sets but I'm on a budget. I also don't need 4K so if you guys could recommend something in that size and price range that'd be great.
DJ Lushious
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If you can go without the extra 5", the Vizio P-Series are fantastic. I can't speak on the D-Series, though.
I really, really hope that Neo properly supports Dolby Vision. Getting either a Vizio M or P series this year.
My C6 OLED has arrived. Gaming on this thing is pure bliss, looks incredible running at native 4K (sitting about 4 ft away). Haven't had any issues with the input lag, feels comparable to my old EC9300 running in Game mode.
Congrats. The curved screen is probably ideal when sitting at 4 feet. 3D should be fantastic as well.
Totaleclipes
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Yea I'm eyeing this TV but the 65 inch version and the Samsung js8500 I'm torn too.
JadedWriter
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So Vizio's are good now? I went to B&H and he said he always recommends Sony over them. I'm looking at a 40 inch D series though.
Art Vandilay
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The P-series is at least.
JadedWriter
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If I could afford that and find the space for that I would get a P series. I'm part of broke man gaf so I pretty much just have a tight budget. I was recommended the Sony 650D.
And how reliable is Rtings? They gave the 4K 40 inch D series better ratings than Sony's current sets.
Art Vandilay
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What's your spending limit? Best Buy offers the 50" for $810 open box before tax. That's $73/mo with 12 months no interest financing at 7% tax. There's bound to be better deals during Black Friday/Cyber Monday sales though.
Has anyone seen the 50" and 55" side by side? I'm tempted to get the 55" since it's 120Hz if I'm not mistaken, but I'm kind of concerned about the IPS panel.
Edit: I'm looking to replace the living room TV so thinking better viewing angles would help, but not sure if that's really an issue with VA or is overblown.
JadedWriter
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Pretty much $500 is my absolute max. I just moved into my apartment and I have no tv. Won't really have the money for it till next month.
Art Vandilay
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I'd just get a 1080p then. Not really sure what to advise though since I've only been researching 4K HDR sets lately.
JadedWriter
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Yeah I've been looking at those. It's almost like the manufacturers don't even care about making a good 1080p set anymore in that price range.
Art Vandilay
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You could always go with an older model. I bet you could find a nice 2015 model for a decent price.
Anyone tried this monitor with a ps4? (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MSOND8C/?tag=neogaf0e-20)
Is it go well with ps4 and computer gaming?
Is it go well with ps4 and computer gaming?
JadedWriter
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Yeah I have seen some pretty good prices, but I'm not sure which is good for gaming. I go to Rtings and pretty much one of the best sets in that range and size is the 4K Vizio I posted earlier, the D series.
Vizio makes cheap TVs so people buy them. Whether they're good or not, well, that depends on who you ask.
Joei
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Does anyone who has a Vizio P tv use the tablet controller that comes with the TV? I've been back and forth on getting either the Sony 810c from last year with no HDR but great features otherwise, plus it's 55". Or one of the P series tvs, either the 50" or 55" and both with a supposedly good HDR feature, but I haven't had any chance to use the tablet or see it in use. Do you guys like it or even use it? Do you HAVE to use it to take advantage of the Smart features? That's a factor, not to mention that the Sony is $900 at 55" while the Vizio 55" is $1200 (the 50" is $900). Aside from the tablet issues, is the HDR feature really worth the extra 300?
JadedWriter
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Damn. I mean Hyundai used to be shit. Guess I should go Sony or Samsung.
Art Vandilay
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Can't comment on the tablet, but I feel as though HDR is the next big thing. I won't be buying a TV without it.
farmerboy
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My C6 OLED has arrived. Gaming on this thing is pure bliss, looks incredible running at native 4K (sitting about 4 ft away). Haven't had any issues with the input lag, feels comparable to my old EC9300 running in Game mode.
Having narrowed down a potential buy to either a E6 or KS9000 I was starting to think KS9000. Mainly because insane input lag and $2000 cheaper for the same size in Oz.
With the extra 2 grand of "entertainment dollars" I could purchase, guilt free ;-), the Neo, PSVR, maybe a new amp with ATMOS and speakers as well. You get the drift.
Then you post that pic and comments.
Thanks man.
OG_Original Gamer
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I use it for what it's made for, as well as internet searches, viewing this forum and others, checking email. I also have the app on my phone.
HDR is like no other, Dolby Vision is awesome,and HDR10 coming sometime this month.
E6 has good input lag. Not sure why thought it'd be "insane". The E, C and G series all have 34ms latency.
But if you feel like you're not getting value for money (which would be understandable since OLED is expensive) then you're better off with the Samsung. Personally I think if you're going to get a TV for the next 5+ years and you've got the money, then OLED is where you need to be going.
OG_Original Gamer
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Doesn't matter, there's will be several displays with both formats.
No display tech is inherently bad for gaming. What's bad for gaming is the high input lag TVs that manufacturers can make, so as long as you buy a TV with low enough input lag then it doesn't matter if it's IPS, OLED etc. You sound happy with your set so all is good. IPS has decent contrast.
If the Blu Ray player doesn't support Dolby Vision then it matters.
It's an issue if the player doesn't support it.
farmerboy
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I was saying that KS9000 @ 21ms input lag is insane, as in great. Agree that 34ms is pretty good too and I certainly wouldn't base a purchase solely on 34ms v 21ms.
And I think the OLEDs are good value for money, it's just that my money can go a little further buying the KS9000. Trust me, if I had the coin, I'd buy the E6 in a heartbeat. It's just that knowing that I probably want to buy the Neo and PSVR and maybe the new amp then I need to consider going the cheaper option.
The other thing, I currently own a Panny plasma circa 2008. I'm pretty convinced I'll be happy with whatever I buy.
DJ Lushious
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I dare you to find me a professional review on the Vizio P-Series that isn't glowing. Here, I'll help you: they don't exist.
I wouldn't listen to Kyoufu. S/he is wholly misinformed. Vizio used to be "cheap." However, they have been diligent about turning around their brand image, while still maintaining a competitive price point. The Vizio P-Series is critically praised as being one of the best LED LCD UHDTVs on the market. It truly is an outstanding set and the 65" can be had for $2000.
If you want to ChromeCast, then either the tablet or another smartphone/tablet must be used. Also, the picture settings can only be adjusted via the tablet/smartphone app. I only use the tablet/smartphone app for these use cases, whereas my Harmony remote does all the other heavy lifting.
And yes, HDR is worth it. I'll even go so far as to say HDR is more important than 4K. If you're going to drop that coin on a new TV, at least make sure it is as future-proof as possible.
JadedWriter
Member
Does this mean I'd be perfectly fine getting the D series I was looking at? It actually seems to out score most of the Sony's.
JadedWriter
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Damn double post from my phone.
DJ Lushious
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RTings has good enough things to say about the D-Series and they've become the de facto review site for HDTVs. From a general viewpoint, I'd say you wouldn't be making a poor decision going for a D-Series. And, worst case, scenario, always buy from a place with a return period that doesn't involve a stocking fee.
PeterVenkman
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My C6 OLED has arrived. Gaming on this thing is pure bliss, looks incredible running at native 4K (sitting about 4 ft away). Haven't had any issues with the input lag, feels comparable to my old EC9300 running in Game mode.
Hey nice setup! We have the same speakers. I've got a b6 that I use with my computer as well - do you notice any connectivity issues in UHD deep color with 4:4:4 color enabled? I think it's a tv software thing since turning the tv on and off resets the issue.
I should definitely play Crysis on this thing.
JadedWriter
Member
Well fuck I had no clue Rtings was that reliable. I guess the D series being essentially #3 set on this list is a really good thing then:
Best picture quality 40-42-43 inch TVs - Spring 2016
I think you've taken it all the wrong way or maybe I didn't word my post correctly. Vizio does make cheap TVs. Or should I say, cheap-er but that that's not a bad thing. They do have some good TVs to pick from but how good they are will depend on who you ask. Some people are perfectly happy with LCDs and some people will want something more out of their television.
The other thing, I currently own a Panny plasma circa 2008. I'm pretty convinced I'll be happy with whatever I buy.
I don't know man, panny plasmas are still ridiculously good for 1080p sources. Still love my 2009 model.
Yeah, I had some random connectivity issues with deep color enabled. Didn't get a signal unless I turned the TV off and on again.
I've seemingly managed to fix it by going in the Nvidia CP -> Set up Digital Audio and turning off audio pass through on HDMI. Of course you'll need to have your receiver hooked up directly to the PC otherwise then you won't get audio this way.
Been reading reviews on the Vizio P-series. Two reviews in particular pointed out that while the tv accepts a 4:4:4 signal @4K the tv only displays 4:2:2. This makes a difference to me at least when used for PC gaming.
I'm assuming this is a non-issue for the consoles.
On the Sony 930D I see that it accepts a 120hz 1080 signal but has artifacts. For anyone with this tv; How noticeable are the artifacts?
I once used a TV for gaming. Felt like I needed sunglasses to use it for certain games. (If they had text for example.) How do the LG OLEDs fare with games that have text that you need to read. (World of Warcraft for example.) my concern is with the brightness required for HDR.
I'm assuming this is a non-issue for the consoles.
On the Sony 930D I see that it accepts a 120hz 1080 signal but has artifacts. For anyone with this tv; How noticeable are the artifacts?
I once used a TV for gaming. Felt like I needed sunglasses to use it for certain games. (If they had text for example.) How do the LG OLEDs fare with games that have text that you need to read. (World of Warcraft for example.) my concern is with the brightness required for HDR.
PeterVenkman
Member
Hm I actually disabled the audio passthrough awhile back and thought it solved the issue, but it happened again last night. I still can't figure out what triggers it, but the only thing that fixes it is restarting the tv.
It tends to happen most after I switch inputs using the home button - it gets real cranky if Amazon prime video has been open for awhile, and I've had random "HDR content has stopped playing" messages pop up on my PC input hours after watching a movie on Vudu. Hopefully it becomes more stable with future firmware updates.