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Plasma, LCD, OLED, LED, best tv for next gen
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Dee Dah Dave
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There's some settings here. It's the UK KS7000 but is the same as US KS8000 if that's your TV. I tried them but personally didn't like the softer look of the Movie mode, but that's just me. It's somewhere to start anyway!
Backfoggen
Banned
Did you test this yourself? Rtings and Digitalfernsehen.de say game mode can be enabled for HDR sources.
Are dead pixels common? Not really, but that's standard for a manufacturer warranty. This is where a third party warranty can be of benefit. (but many do contain similar limitations)
While you don't really have a leg to stand on it's not unheard of to have an exception made. If you really want it taken care of, plead your case with both Vizio and the retailer who sold you the television. Be assertive and take it through the chain of command until someone just doesn't want to deal with it anymore and caves.
ClayKavalier
Banned
I'm deciding between the same two models as well.
M series has HDR, P series has HDR plus "wide color gamut."
Not sure what exactly that means and without being able to see the same content on both TVs side by side it's hard to tell how big a difference it makes, but the HDR demo I saw on a P series looked pretty incredible.
Art Vandilay
Member
Sounds like it's time to go kill some pixels. That's weird as hell though. I hope it works out.
Art Vandilay
Member
I read a review saying to be wary of the M series since it's 8-bit instead of 10-bit or 12-bit if I'm not mistaken. Apparently that makes HDR content look better. I'll try to find the link.
Edit: P series is 10-bit by the way.
I haven't been able to find any reviews of the 2016 M series. How could it support HDR if it's only 8-bit?
I was also under the impression that the P series was 12 bit.
Art Vandilay
Member
That's what the guy was complaining about, the fact that it wasn't true HDR. I'm still trying to find that link.
http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-m-series-2016/
This isn't the link I was referring to, but touches on the issue as well.
Bit the bullet on a LG 65E6P. Got it for $4600 after taxes from Amazon prime through the warehouse deals (normally $6000 plus tax so about $1800 cheaper than normal). Figuring the better speakers and picture is worth it over the KS9000.
Description says "small scratches, less than 1/4" x 1/4" on top and back of item" Nothing on the screen. Probably something I can't even notice. We'll see on the 23rd lol.
Made the delivery a week earlier than the KS9000. If this one is in good condition, I'll cancel the samsung.
Description says "small scratches, less than 1/4" x 1/4" on top and back of item" Nothing on the screen. Probably something I can't even notice. We'll see on the 23rd lol.
Made the delivery a week earlier than the KS9000. If this one is in good condition, I'll cancel the samsung.
Samurai G0SU
Member
Any good channels on Youtube to view 4k content? Seems like i need to search for something in order to filter it 4k. I can't just have an option to see 'all channels with 4k content'
DJ Lushious
Member
I thought this statement was a little funny. RTings has been dropping the ball on some things lately. I'm not quite understanding why.
Leave it up to AVSForum to debunk this.
And SamuraiG0SU, I've just been able to do what you do to get 4K videos. I wish there was a way to filter them out somehow, too.
That link says it was updated two hours ago. I have my doubts concerning RTIBGS.com being malicious. (They rated the TV quite high for video games ) From reading his post he also mentions a software bug and having to go through steps to reset the TV if you're not getting the proper output. There is more to the story. I hope RTINGS.com revisits this soon.
Meanwhile I returning the HK450 wireless sound bar I bought. A 4K HDR receiver is what I'll need it looks like.
Panasonic is also offering HDR on their 8bit-Panels (e.g. DXW784 in Europe). And they are doing a fine job of emulating HDR, kind of an "HDR-Ready-TV" (compared to HD ready and Full HD TVs at the beginning of the HD era).
Just speaking for the 55E6 (And hoping you won't have any problems with the same unit in 65): This is as good as it gets right now. Enjoy it, I love that TV and after weeks of testing fortunately not a single fault in my unit. I haz a happy^^
DJ Lushious
Member
Yes, but the software bug van be easily fixed via firmware updates. The P-Series is, what, maybe 3 months old and has seen two firmware updates. Plenty more to go, including the coveted HDR10 update. I just wanted to make sure your incorrect blanket statement doesn't negatively influence anyone from looking into the P-Series.
And I wouldn't hedge my bets on RTings revisiting it. The reported that the TV hits ~86% of the DCI-P3 color space, yet Vizio's engineers consistently get 92-93%. When Matt McRae, Vizio's CTO, reached out to them to see learn more about their testing methods and how they got number, he went unanswered. And that was easily two months ago.
I value RTings, but lately I've found them to be sloppy.
Whoa there. I was citing exactly what I read. No need to try to attack there or take it personal.
My 65" should arrive this weekend or shortly after and I'm pretty worried it'll have all kinds of issues. Large OLED panels feel like a lottery.
ClayKavalier
Banned
I wish Vizio's TV lineup was simpler.
M55 has HDR, VA panel, and is 60hz.
P50 has HDR plus "high color gamut," VA panel, and is 60hz
P55 is same as above but an IPS panel and 120hz
After viewing them more I'm not convinced that the P series looks quite a bit better, especially with HDR content. Black levels are pretty insane. And I'm able to get the 55". But I usually play games at night and apparently the VA panels are better for that. On the other hand, 120hz would be a nice feature to have too.
Is 120hz worth it to play movies at 24fps or is it not that big a deal? I thought that that was the key selling point of 120hz TVs but a lot of tech sites seem to say 120hz isn't really necessary.
Also does 120hz have any benefit for gaming? I've heard that playing games with steady 30/60fps frame rates in 120hz mode makes them feel a lot smoother, as if they are running at a higher fps. True or bs?
M55 has HDR, VA panel, and is 60hz.
P50 has HDR plus "high color gamut," VA panel, and is 60hz
P55 is same as above but an IPS panel and 120hz
After viewing them more I'm not convinced that the P series looks quite a bit better, especially with HDR content. Black levels are pretty insane. And I'm able to get the 55". But I usually play games at night and apparently the VA panels are better for that. On the other hand, 120hz would be a nice feature to have too.
Is 120hz worth it to play movies at 24fps or is it not that big a deal? I thought that that was the key selling point of 120hz TVs but a lot of tech sites seem to say 120hz isn't really necessary.
Also does 120hz have any benefit for gaming? I've heard that playing games with steady 30/60fps frame rates in 120hz mode makes them feel a lot smoother, as if they are running at a higher fps. True or bs?
I just tried out the 3D with Avatar on my C6 OLED, looks absolutely stellar. I've never been too impressed by 3D movies before. Always seemed like the image quality hit was not worth it, combined with crosstalk issues.
On this TV, zero crosstalk and the image quality looks just as sharp as it does in 2D. Actually excited for that Star Wars: TFA Blu-ray in 3D now.
On this TV, zero crosstalk and the image quality looks just as sharp as it does in 2D. Actually excited for that Star Wars: TFA Blu-ray in 3D now.
Nope, 120hz is motion interpolation, it adds in extra frames for smoother motion but adds input lag, as such is a big no no for gaming or movies. It's main use is for sports
Edit: Sorry I think I was mistaken, it looks like the panel itself is 120hz, in which case it can accept higher framerates, but that won't be useful to you unless you have a PC that can achieve those. Usually when company's market their tvs with a high Hz rating (200hz, Motionflow 800 etc) it's referring to their motion enhancing, which is a no go for gaming.
DJ Lushious
Member
That's an odd definition of what a personal attack is.
PeterVenkman
Member
Just as an update for anyone using a 2016 LG OLED with a PC - nvidia driver update did default digital audio to ON, so I had to manually change it back. Even if you dismiss the HD audio driver it still does it.
finalflame
Member
Hey guys.
So there was a recent deal at Dell where they put up an LG 65UH6550 for $1049 with a promotional $300 GC. At least that's what the page said.
http://slickdeals.net/f/8915419-lg-...-smart-tv-300-dell-gc-for-1-050-free-shipping
I went ahead and ordered it, but for everyone who ordered it turned out the confirmation was for a 65UH5500. I can barely find any information on the 5500 -- other than it also has HDR Pro and a 60hz refresh rate, but seemingly no simulated 120hz (which I don't care for). There is no info on the feature-set outside of that, panel type, etc, and it's not on LG's website :/
Any recommendations on whether I should keep it or try to get a free return? For $1050 - $300 GC - $75 that Dell offered to give me if I decided to keep it and not return it, is it maybe still a good deal?
What bothers me is that I can't find a full spec sheet on it...and am kind of hesitant to even take it out of the box to check the image quality.
Thoughts?
So there was a recent deal at Dell where they put up an LG 65UH6550 for $1049 with a promotional $300 GC. At least that's what the page said.
http://slickdeals.net/f/8915419-lg-...-smart-tv-300-dell-gc-for-1-050-free-shipping
I went ahead and ordered it, but for everyone who ordered it turned out the confirmation was for a 65UH5500. I can barely find any information on the 5500 -- other than it also has HDR Pro and a 60hz refresh rate, but seemingly no simulated 120hz (which I don't care for). There is no info on the feature-set outside of that, panel type, etc, and it's not on LG's website :/
Any recommendations on whether I should keep it or try to get a free return? For $1050 - $300 GC - $75 that Dell offered to give me if I decided to keep it and not return it, is it maybe still a good deal?
What bothers me is that I can't find a full spec sheet on it...and am kind of hesitant to even take it out of the box to check the image quality.
Thoughts?
DJ Lushious
Member
Vizio P-Series or the lesser M-Series. However, it's important know what size you're aiming for.
Sony 65ZD9 supposedly being announced very soon. Apparently an OLED killer.
Supposedly stacked dual LCD panels, with 2nd panel as backlight only. ~1000 zones, up to 4000 nits at max capacity (4x samsung KS9800). No Blooming, OLED level blacks with LED brightness. According to some posts on AVS at least.
Was going to buy a Samsung KS9800 for gaming, but might hold off now and see what happens with thi
Supposedly stacked dual LCD panels, with 2nd panel as backlight only. ~1000 zones, up to 4000 nits at max capacity (4x samsung KS9800). No Blooming, OLED level blacks with LED brightness. According to some posts on AVS at least.
Was going to buy a Samsung KS9800 for gaming, but might hold off now and see what happens with thi
jstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
the price tag on that thing, if it's real, and with those specs, will be insane
DangerMouse
Member
That sounds amazing. And probably quite expensive, heh.
Supposedly price tag should be around current OLEDs like the E6 or maybe even C6. Not too bad if it really is an Oled killer. A few Euro sites already have listings for 3500-4000 euro
They had a prototype of it at CES 2016. I doubt it'll be ready for release any time soon and 1000 zones does seem somewhat unlikely to me, but we'll see!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFis__LBqJA
I'd be surprised if it released before CES 2017.
If it features a good implementation of black frame insertion (Sony's "impulse mode") this could be a winner.
Jigolo
Member
Sony doing something crazy things as always lol
Backfoggen
Banned
I hope Sony is smart enough to improve input lag on whatever that OLED killer is compared to their current TVs. Major deal breaker.
Yeah, 65X930D is like 50ms. Gross
If this new set is as good as its being hyped and its ~20ms, Ill buy it
Just be wary that it's an IPS panel (better viewing angles, but not as good contrast or black levels) and it's a semi gloss screen (their higher end models are full gloss).
This review outlines whats good and not so great about that specific model.
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1462946905
That's not true at all. The X930D is 36ms in game mode.
source: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1461823563#4
It's been heavily rumoured for a long time, and a prototype was shown at CES, there's an image floating around with their current lineup, with a spot for the ZD9 at the top of their range which seems pretty legit, and a lot of people in the know seem very excited about it, so it seems pretty legit...
Backfoggen
Banned
There are plenty of reviews that say otherwise.
http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/kd65xd9305-201604034267.htm
http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930d
Just do a google search for "X930D input lag" and you'll find more.
Yes, but both of those articles pre-date the one I linked, so either input lag could have improved in that time via a firmware update, or more likely those sites had trouble taking the measurement. The article I linked explained it's measurement, citing that other reviewers had trouble. And after reading the hdtv test, it seems they definitely did, does this sound like they got an accurate measurement?
Compared to the article I linked
Oops. I believe ZD9 is real. I had posted a slide that popped up showing Disney releasing 4K soon but it was fake.
Backfoggen
Banned
One way to clear this up would be to message Rtings and ask if they could redo the test while mentioning this other result. They corrected stuff in the past.
Yeah people on AVS should relax a bit. There's no such a thing as a OLED killer, as much as they seem to like this word, because the tech is pretty new and it will always improve with new gens. I don't think this Sony will be even as good as the E6, let alone future OLEDs, because even with all those things there are some flaws in the LED tech that will still be there, no matter what you do. And no, it won't have black levels on par with a tech that TURNS OFF pixels to display a black image, not even with 1000 local dimming zones.
It will be a beast of a LED TV (with a beast price), no doubt about that, but let's try to be reasonable and not overhype new stuff.