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[Astral Dog]

A question regarding the notion that Nintendo will output more games due to a hybrid system, is this only about those who just owned one Nintendo system before, and now they will recieve more games? For example, for those who only owned a 3DS, they missed out on the WiiU games. Is this what the "more games being made" is about?

Yes, its mostly for the people that had to buy two pieces of hardware to play Nintendo games.
Also look from the developers perspective, no learning two configurations, no separate console and handheld teams, etc.

 

[ultrazilla]

First picks of the NX dock:

Spoiler

Don't hurt me

 

[Krowley]

A question regarding the notion that Nintendo will output more games due to a hybrid system, is this only about those who just owned one Nintendo system before, and now they will recieve more games? For example, for those who only owned a 3DS, they missed out on the WiiU games. Is this what the "more games being made" is about?

Pretty much, but I think it's a bit deeper than that.

Now, all of Nintendo will be working on the same hardware, and that hardware will be Wii-U level, or slightly better with an emphasis on the ability to output to TV. Games will presumably be designed so that they can appeal to both console and handheld gamers.

 

[Red Gyarados]

I dont know if it has been talked about but are the games going to be $40 or $60?

Since there is a version of Zelda BoW for NX I think it is safe to say that some games will be at $60, but maybe not all

 

[Oersted]

I dont know if it has been talked about but are the games going to be $40 or $60?

Since there is a version of Zelda BoW for NX I think it is safe to say that some games will be at $60, but maybe not all

We don't know

 

[Peltz]

I dont know if it has been talked about but are the games going to be $40 or $60?

Since there is a version of Zelda BoW for NX I think it is safe to say that some games will be at $60, but maybe not all

I would expect a range of various prices. Nintendo has already started experimenting with prices on Wii U software.

 

[Instro]

First picks of the NX dock:

Spoiler

Don't hurt me

If only.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Personally i think this is fantastic news for me as a gamer and depending how nintendo approach it i think this will be very successful. So excited to see this thing finally unveiled.

 

[test_account]

Thanks for the answers.

Yes but also the teams can now make more games because they're not stuck making two NSMBs, Mario Karts, Smash Bros, etc.

Besides Smash Bros, those other games are different titles though. But yeah, they would save some time regarding Smash Bros at least.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Guys did you watch this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqdhls1jcJk

It's Player Essence. Basically he really doubts what Eurogamer has been saying. Not as he says because he's a Nintendo fan, but because apparently Eurogamer has lied in the past just for clicks. No idea if that;s true....but i thought i'd share the video.

Personally i don't believe EG is making this stuff up for clicks.

 

[Asd202]

I would expect a range of various prices. Nintendo has already started experimenting with prices on Wii U software.

It's going to be $60 for majority of the games. Bookmark this post .

 

[Plinko]

Guys did you watch this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqdhls1jcJk

It's Player Essence. Basically he really doubts what Eurogamer has been saying. Not as he says because he's a Nintendo fan, but because apparently Eurogamer has lied in the past just for clicks. No idea if that;s true....but i thought i'd share the video.

Personally i don't believe EG is making this stuff up for clicks.

Article was hinted at by Emily Rogers, leaked by Eurogamer, corroborated by other sources. It's true.

 

[Neoleo2143]

Besides Smash Bros, those other games are different titles though.

The point is that these teams can work on different series, and thus diversify the library even further.

 

[Sendou]

Besides Smash Bros, those other games are different titles though.

What he said still stands though. Can't see them making two Mario Karts for the same platform for example. Rather I'd see them making Mario Kart 9 into something they can cash out into the future (extensive DLC plan / microtransactions and maybe constant patch support into the future).

But yes also more smaller projects.

 

[test_account]

The point is that these teams can work on different series, and thus diversify the library even further.

What he said still stands though. Can't see them making two Mario Karts for the same platform for example. Rather I'd see them making Mario Kart 9 into something they can cash out into the future (extensive DLC plan / microtransactions and maybe constant patch support into the future).

But yes also more smaller projects.

That might be, but i was thinking about the total output of games. Diveristy within the games would be something else EDIT: But i see the point.

 

[Asd202]

I'm not going to say that it'll actually happen, but if they were to use the Tegra X2 it would be possible to put a GPU and VRAM in the dock. It's extremely unlikely, but it's something that the chip would be capable of. They could make a $100 version of the dock with an underclocked Pascal equivalent of the 750 Ti and match PS4, which the regular dock would be something like 20-30% slower than Xbone. It's not likely, but shutting down speculation is no fun as long as it's at least somewhat grounded in reality.

What's the point? The base handheld will be a bottleneck regardless. Just giving more resolution will not change for what kind of hardware the games were made to begin with.

 

[NeonZ]

A question regarding the notion that Nintendo will output more games due to a hybrid system, is this only about those who just owned one Nintendo system before, and now they will recieve more games? For example, for those who only owned a 3DS, they missed out on the WiiU games. Is this what the "more games being made" is about?

It also means we likely won't see things like Mario Kart 7 vs Mario Kart 8 or SSB 3ds vs SSB Wii U again and we might get more original titles or fully fleshed out sequels.

 

[oti]

What he said still stands though. Can't see them making two Mario Karts for the same platform for example. Rather I'd see them making Mario Kart 9 into something they can cash out into the future (extensive DLC plan / microtransactions and maybe constant patch support into the future).

But yes also more smaller projects.

Oh maaaaaan 3D Mario DLC like MK8 did oh maaaaaan. I want it.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Besides Smash Bros, those other games are different titles though.

But they're incredily similar to the point of being redundant. Do we really need a slightly different version of a game like mario kart being released so close together? I don't think anyone will miss having 2 near identical games being released on different platforms so close together.

A hybrid device makes so much sense for nintendos software output and i think that alone will see the NX be a success. Both their handheld and home console output combined on one device plus their mobile titles and they won't have to double up on IP's. They also can share development between all teams.

This will also be the first time where all of their IP will be working to sell a single console. They can now have a home console that has all the popular handhelp IP's like pokemon and monster hunter on board.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

This is such depressing news. I want a Nintendo super console. Well this will no doubt flop and Nintendo will have to go 3rd party. It's sad.

If they tried to make a super console again they would have another Wii U on their hands. Home consoles aren't doing all that great in Japan, and besides the Wii every Nintendo home console has sold progressively worse in the West. Whereas their handhelds have sold truckloads both in Japan and the West.

From Nintendo's point of view, this is their best option, as it allows them to focus on a single platform and it will provide for both those who want a handheld and (the decreasing amount of) people who want their home consoles.

Whether Western third parties will give it any meaningful support is yet to be seen though.

 

[dtm808]

A question regarding the notion that Nintendo will output more games due to a hybrid system, is this only about those who just owned one Nintendo system before, and now they will recieve more games? For example, for those who only owned a 3DS, they missed out on the WiiU games. Is this what the "more games being made" is about?

Yes but also it will allow Ninty to make bigger and better games because they won't have to develop multiple versions of games (Mario kart 7/8 , smash 4, Mario 3d world/land etc). Also as many said already it will make development speedier because of a unified toolset that all devs can use for one system.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Article was hinted at by Emily Rogers, leaked by Eurogamer, corroborated by other sources. It's true.

Yeah, exactly. We just don't have the complete story yet though. I do recall Nintendo saying it would be easy for developers to port their games to their NX. Reggie called it a home console. Some things they have said themselves don't add up with what we have heard so far. But my hype and excitement is already gone anyway, will just wait for the official announcement now, which really is taking too long.

The point is that these teams can work on different series, and thus diversify the library even further.

WTF. It says i said that, but i never said that.

 

[cartman414]

If they tried to make a super console again they would have another Wii U on their hands. Home consoles aren't doing all that great in Japan, and besides the Wii every Nintendo home console has sold progressively worse in the West. Whereas their handhelds have sold truckloads both in Japan and the West.

From Nintendo's point of view, this is their best option, as it allows them to focus on a single platform and it will provide for both those who want a handheld and (the decreasing amount of) people who want their home consoles.

Whether Western third parties will give it any meaningful support is yet to be seen though.

Yeah. Unfortunately I can't see it getting anything along the lines of Bethesda.

 

[Combichristoffersen]

Yeah. Unfortunately I can't see it getting anything along the lines of Bethesda.

Or Rockstar, for that matter.

 

[test_account]

But they're incredily similar to the point of being redundant. Do we really need a slightly different version of a game like mario kart being released so close together? I don't think anyone will miss having 2 near identical games being released on different platforms so close together.

A hybrid device makes so much sense for nintendos software output and i think that alone will see the NX be a success. Both their handheld and home console output combined on one device plus their mobile titles and they won't have to double up on IP's. They also can share development between all teams.

This will also be the first time where all of their IP will be working to sell a single console. They can now have a home console that has all the popular handhelp IP's like pokemon and monster hunter on board.

The games could be spaced out. So instead of having just one Mario Kart game for each platform (two in total), there might be two games on one platform instead, but perhaps 2-3 years in between. I'm just more curious about the number of games being put out, if that will increase or be about the same.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

I was talking to some friends about all this and at one point we were talking about how Nintendo said NX would be multiple platforms. If that's true, it could mean they will announce this during the event whenever that is and perhaps a real new console? Yeah i know, highly doubt that. Mostly wishful thinking.

 

[Plinko]

The games could be spaced out. So instead of having just one Mario Kart game for each platform (two in total), there might be two games on one platform instead, but perhaps 2-3 years in between. I'm just more curious about the number of games being put out, if that will increase or be about the same.

Right. Or, instead of new iterations, sizeable DLC for games. 16 new tracks a year for Mario Kart, etc.

 

[goldenpp72]

I was talking to some friends about all this and at one point we were talking about how Nintendo said NX would be multiple platforms. If that's true, it could mean they will announce this during the event whenever that is and perhaps a real new console? Yeah i know, highly doubt that. Mostly wishful thinking.

Honestly, the best case scenario to me would be that they release a console with a certain spec level at 200 bucks or so, and then a portable with its own specs, but when combined, can become a more powerful platform. Sort of how developers need to make games for ps4 and neo, they would just create a scaled down version for when you can't have them docked. I doubt this is the case though, but it would appease some people anyways. If both platforms were 200 dollars and the same specs, they could still share the library and when combined become a '400 dollar' console that so many want.

This probably is impossible though.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

This is such depressing news. I want a Nintendo super console. Well this will no doubt flop and Nintendo will have to go 3rd party. It's sad.

 

[weepy]

If they tried to make a super console again they would have another Wii U on their hands. Home consoles aren't doing all that great in Japan, and besides the Wii every Nintendo home console has sold progressively worse in the West. Whereas their handhelds have sold truckloads both in Japan and the West.

From Nintendo's point of view, this is their best option, as it allows them to focus on a single platform and it will provide for both those who want a handheld and (the decreasing amount of) people who want their home consoles.

Whether Western third parties will give it any meaningful support is yet to be seen though.

Nintendo shouldn't have to resign themselves to the portable space like they're allegedly doing with the NX. They have too big of a war-chest for that. It's either an extremely powerful, on-the-go device, or an extremely dated console, maybe both. Point is, no one wants an overclocked WiiU for their home entertainment system and/or a battery seeping handheld with detachable controls. I'm sure that most people who are disappointed with this news are the nintendo fans looking for an online savvy, current gen console with a normal controller and at least some freaking attempt at courting Western 3rd party developers. This news shat all over that.

Whatever NX is, the big n wants to make it the jack of all trades and you know what that means if that's the case...

 

[Malakai]

They are just talking about what the X2 is in that section, not actually saying the NX is using an X2.

The issues is that the whole article is painting the picture that NX is using the X1. Given that developer kit hardware isn't final hardware spec and that developer kit X1 is being overclocked how can Eurogamer concluded this:

It is worth stressing with a firm emphasis that everything we have heard so far points to Tegra X1 as the SoC of choice for Nintendo NX,

If it is established that the NX is a dock-able handheld, and the fact that no one have yet to discuss if the dock have additional hardware or not how can Eurogamer conclude anything?

 

[Pittree]

I spent some more time playing with the idea and concepts being thrown arround so I updated my previous mockup.

I now think that the deattachable controllers could be nice for casual multiplayer on the go, but I am still trying to find a good use for the screen while docked.

I really don't want the screen go to waste like that while in console mode. Especially considering wireless transmission could liberate the (NX) screen for use while still making possible to display the game on the TV

 

[gafneo]

I spent some more time playing with the idea and concepts being thrown arround so I updated my previous mockup.

I now think that the deattachable controllers could be nice for casual multiplayer on the go, but I am still trying to find a good use for the screen while docked.

I really don't want the screen go to waste like that while in console mode. Especially considering wireless transmission could liberate the (NX) screen for use while still making possible to display the game on the TV

jeeze, this looks like real photos

 

[Plinko]

I spent some more time playing with the idea and concepts being thrown arround so I updated my previous mockup.

I now think that the deattachable controllers could be nice for casual multiplayer on the go, but I am still trying to find a good use for the screen while docked.

I really don't want the screen go to waste like that while in console mode. Especially considering wireless transmission could liberate the (NX) screen for use while still making possible to display the game on the TV

I think people are underestimating how big these attachments are going to be. My guess is they will be Wiimote-sized.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I really don't want the screen go to waste like that while in console mode. Especially considering wireless transmission could liberate the (NX) screen for use while still making possible to display the game on the TV

If the dock isn't wireless, using the screen would be a waste of resources (both hardware wise, and developer wise). I doubt most people would have the dock in a place that can be easily seen (by everyone, if playing a multiplayer game), and even if they did, I'd wager it's usually too far away to be useful anyway.

Now if it's wireless, sure--that makes sense. Otherwise no

That aside, I love your mockups.

 

[Baroquemantic]

I'm gonna guess the dock will not have additional processing power. What I think happens, if the NX does actually use a Tegra X1, is that it will run similarly to the Pixel C in handheld mode, and run at full speed in the dock like the Shield TV, which I believe has a fan in it for cooling. So handheld mode is around WiiU in terms of capability, and dock mode is somewhere between WiiU and XB1, though closer to the latter.

 

[BorkBork]

First mockup where I can actually visualize this thing. good job, Pittree

 

[recklesscognition]

I just realized I'd never buy this unless there is some sort of achievement system. Nothing else matters that much sadly.

 

[Pittree]

I think people are underestimating how big these attachments are going to be. My guess is they will be Wiimote-sized.

But making the attachments wiimote size would make the screen huge, wich would bring cost, battery, and portability issues to say the least. I gave a lot of tought on the subject, and I think that if the sliding parts are as described by Eurogamer, they are tiny and just meant for small fun multiplayer experiences on the go.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I just realized I'd never buy this unless there is some sort of achievement system. Nothing else matters that much sadly.

Well, you got that part right

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

Honestly, the best case scenario to me would be that they release a console with a certain spec level at 200 bucks or so, and then a portable with its own specs, but when combined, can become a more powerful platform. Sort of how developers need to make games for ps4 and neo, they would just create a scaled down version for when you can't have them docked. I doubt this is the case though, but it would appease some people anyways. If both platforms were 200 dollars and the same specs, they could still share the library and when combined become a '400 dollar' console that so many want.

This probably is impossible though.

That exactly. I would be very very ok with something like this.

 

[oti]

I just realized I'd never buy this unless there is some sort of achievement system. Nothing else matters that much sadly.

Thank god I'm not like this.

 

[ItsDorf]

I have my own theory on what Nintendo is doing.

Casuals are no longer interested in consoles they are now exclusively in the tablet and iPhone camps. Nintendo Wii-U clearly has some great technology in the unit with the tablet and off screen streaming that they will want to leverage. Nintendo want's that market and wants to bridge that and consoles into it's own class of device. Enter the NX.

Modified Android base ala Amazon Tablets, NX Tegra 1 (heavily modified to not be a Tegra 2 level but a 1.5 level of the Tegra) which can already do 720p / 60fps and 1080p as well. So a modified version of that would easily support 1080p 60fps docked, and probably 720p in mobile mode. Nintendo will have a store which users can get all the apps they want Netflix, etc and Nintendo games. It will not have the level of applications as Apple or Google, but it will have more titles and NES, N64 type games.

Eurogamer has a technical video of the Tegra 1
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/d...-mobile-games-machine-powered-by-nvidia-tegra


I'm envisioning something along these lines in white.

Price point $250.00 to $300.00 Nintendo isn't ever going to offer a 150.00 tablet gaming console.

I expect a full pro like controller as well will be offered for $60.00 each

 

[Haines]

I'm fairly disappointed this hot leaked before being shown to the public.

But that's Nintendo's fault waiting so long.

I hope they have an event before more leaks like software happen.

 

[kamineko]

After thinking it over, I feel pretty good about this.

I prefer the libraries of N's recent handhelds over its console libraries, but I also prefer gaming on a console for ergo/comfort and audio reasons.

Problem solved!

 

[Nanashrew]

This is such depressing news. I want a Nintendo super console. Well this will no doubt flop and Nintendo will have to go 3rd party. It's sad.

To me, this is their super console by putting all their efforts into a single thing where everything of theirs is available on a single device. Past, present and future will be on the NX and no split userbase.

 

[oti]

I'm fairly disappointed this hot leaked before being shown to the public.

But that's Nintendo's fault waiting so long.

I hope they have an event before more leaks like software happen.

Since the cat is out of the bag now I wouldn't mind more leaks until reveal. As you said, it's Nintendo's fault. All bets are off.

 

[weepy]

I'm gonna guess the dock will not have additional processing power. What I think happens, if the NX does actually use a Tegra X1, is that it will run similarly to the Pixel C in handheld mode, and run at full speed in the dock like the Shield TV, which I believe has a fan in it for cooling. So handheld mode is around WiiU in terms of capability, and dock mode is somewhere between WiiU and XB1, though closer to the latter.

One would hope, but there's too many rumors pointing the other way and I'm personally tired of trying to justify Nintendo's decisions other than they're being cheap...or ignorant.

 

[Fourth Storm]

If we're assuming the resolution changes when docked to a TV, 540p for the handheld probably scales a lot better.

I wonder if Nintendo will require all games to have an HD mode. If not, then 540p would make even more sense, as that will be the best resolution for scaling to a full HD display.

 

[enigmatic_alex44]

Wow most of these mock-ups I've seen posted are beyond ugly. Look like cheap toys

I'm hoping the final product is sleek and nice to look at like the Wii U gamepad.