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Nintendo hits a Metroid fansite with a DMCA Takedown notice, file no longer hosted
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NoKisum
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Eolz
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Yeah I know that, and on other hosting websites.
It was a reply about why Metroid Database was hit and not others (at least, as we know of yet).
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I know that too, but it's harder to stop. Just wondering aloud why it's with MD only right now.
Torrents aren't inherently illegal.
Maybe they respond to DMCAs only on workdays?
It's just protecting their IP as others have mentioned in the thread.
Doing it now is probably the kinder thing really. The work is out there now for everyone to play, doesn't matter if they take down one place.
If Nintendo had have taken it down mid project, they'd have all wasted their time for nothing.
This is one of those immovable object vs unstoppable force paradoxes right here.
LincolnTunnel
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This isn't really a Transformative Work at all by copyright standards. It's essentially a shot for shot remake of a game that Nintendo is offering for sale, being offered for free online, utilizing copyrighted characters. From a legal standpoint the creators of the remake have no leg to stand on. The remake is not being used as a commentary on the original work. It's not parody. The aesthetic differences and improvements decrease the value of the original piece rather than enhance it. It has a potentially direct impact on the market value of the original. It doesn't matter that they're not making a profit on it, just that it has the potential to affect Nintendo's profits from it.
Yeah, they called the game "Project AM2R", but it blatantly says on the website that it's an initialism for "Another Metroid 2 Remake". The game is hosted at metroid2remake.blogspot.com. It doesn't matter if they rip the actual assets. they're using the same characters and the same story. They still refer to the enemies as Metroids. Hell, the subtitle of the game is still "Return of Samus". It sucks, because it seems like it's a pretty cool remake, but people don't really have any right to be upset or surprised at this. You can't just freely use somebody else's IP because you're a fan. Using disclaimers like "Fan Remake" don't give you the right to use a copyrighted IP.
funkystudent
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Nintendo really have it out for Metroid dont they?
Diprosalic
Banned
yes they truly hate it and wish they never invented it, they are ashamed of it and vowed to don't make metroid games that the fans want anymore even though they would generate billions, that must be it.
TheSpaceBetween
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Eh. I, and many others still prefer the original Metroid to Zero Mission, and I'm sure it will be no different with this game.
For a post that's mostly technically correct on legality, it's surprising you'd miss that freedom of speech encompasses the right to be upset about anything and everything.
Really the legal angle is missing the point. Nintendo has legal rights to do this, they're just idiots for continuing to perpetuate the at-this-point-justified narrative that they don't give a shit about Metroid fans.
CrAzY FiNgErS
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Folks, this is Nintendo being their most backwards yet instead of being smart and forward thinking. You see for years Sega has used and abused the Sonic franchise and the fan base until the last few years where they have embraced a forward thinking way of dealing with the community.
They let their Genesis roms collection on Steam have workshop support where new and old hacks from the community are welcome. Also Taxman from that same community has been sanctioned to create a brand new 2D Sonic with Sega's blessing. He also has created official HD ports of Sonic CD, as well as Sonic 1 and 2.
Nintendo, however, is being overly protective of their property when it comes to these kinds of things and all it does is piss the Metroid community off. With their recent "official" Metroid games(Other M, Federation Force) the fan base doesn't give a rat's ass, because that's not what the majority wants. We want stuff like AM2R and Nintendo is too blind or dumb to see it.
Edit-I don't want different for difference sake with this franchise. I don't want spin-offs, multiplayer, wonky controls, overly dramatic Samus with a emotional issues about "the baby" or Adam. I want a good old fashioned Metroidvania that the series is known for....named after a whole genre of games for crying out loud.
They let their Genesis roms collection on Steam have workshop support where new and old hacks from the community are welcome. Also Taxman from that same community has been sanctioned to create a brand new 2D Sonic with Sega's blessing. He also has created official HD ports of Sonic CD, as well as Sonic 1 and 2.
Nintendo, however, is being overly protective of their property when it comes to these kinds of things and all it does is piss the Metroid community off. With their recent "official" Metroid games(Other M, Federation Force) the fan base doesn't give a rat's ass, because that's not what the majority wants. We want stuff like AM2R and Nintendo is too blind or dumb to see it.
Edit-I don't want different for difference sake with this franchise. I don't want spin-offs, multiplayer, wonky controls, overly dramatic Samus with a emotional issues about "the baby" or Adam. I want a good old fashioned Metroidvania that the series is known for....named after a whole genre of games for crying out loud.
Why let facts get in the way of sniping at people?
That said, for what it's worth, Metroid Database does seem to sell its own merchandise, and maybe that's what set Nintendo off about them hosting AM2R and not the actual devs.
That's the thing. As much as people want to snipe at all the people saying that a C&D probably wouldn't happen, a lot of that conjecture about it not happening was based on the fact that Nintendo generally doesn't go after fan projects without serious cause. With maybe one or two exceptions, almost every C&D that's been issued to a fan project has been due to very clear mistakes made on part of the fan project people.
SirNinja
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We've known that ever since the terrible Metroid Fusion fanfiction that was Other M.
Pilgrimzero
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I think I grabbed this file yesterday. What's the final file size? It may have gotten cut off before it finished.
Eolz
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Just found out about it, but any possibility it might be linked to the fake/former employee sending copyright takedowns everywhere?
indigo-cyclops
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Got it saved, no sweat.
Crimsonclaw111
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All they have to do is look at the reception to Other M and Federation Force to know the interest in a real Metroid game.
Ya that was a thing, may be this may not be. Does Nintendo even do DMCAs generally?
LincolnTunnel
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My post had nothing to do with freedom of speech. I was using the word "right" as in "a moral entitlement to act in a certain way". Of course people have the legal right to say complain about whatever they want, but the point of my post was that, while it's a shit situation and people have the right to be upset, there is no justification to arguments that Nintendo should not be allowed to act in this manner. Sorry if that part of my original post wasn't clear enough.
NHarmonic.
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DEAD.
I think this is important to talk about.
Really, copyright law sucks. Fangames are a pretty dark grey area and it's understandable that corporations are going to shut stuff down.
Waiting until after release is the best way to respect the work of fans while maintaining the unfortunately "correct" appearance of non-condonation.
This project has been around - with public dev builds - for 8 years now. I find it very hard to believe that it's a coincidence that we're only seeing legal action now.
I predict the same for Mother 4. They've had a very public and professional web presence, and yet no C&D in sight. They'll finish the game and only then a few days later it'll get taken down.
It's not ideal but it's impossible to "un-release" something on the internet. Streisand effect. So if that's how it's gotta be, I'll accept it. It's certainly better than Square Enix shutting down every notable Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, and Dragon Quest fan project before their times. I'm not even a huge fan of any of those series, but as someone with roots in the fangame community, that makes my blood boil.
This doesn't. It's merely sub-optimal. I'll be thankful for the release of AM2R and leave it at that.
Fuck Square Enix, is what I'm saying.
Because being upset is the coolest thing.
chaosblade
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It's not that unlikely that Nintendo will see the response to Federation Force as a sign people just don't want Metroid games anymore. I seriously hope that aren't that stupid, but with the way publishers have seemingly deliberately killed off franchises with ridiculous decisions over the last decade you never know.
So uh, if I'm reading this right, they did that with Metroid Database because they have "Metroid" in the title and sell merch? Hmm, I really want to believe that's all. We'll see, I guess.
Still, this is one hell of a way to get fans pissed after the embarrassing treatment they give to the series lol. At this point it feels like they do it on purpose. Good job Ninty.
Game is fantastic, btw. Anyone interested should definitely try it.
Still, this is one hell of a way to get fans pissed after the embarrassing treatment they give to the series lol. At this point it feels like they do it on purpose. Good job Ninty.
Game is fantastic, btw. Anyone interested should definitely try it.
WaterAstro
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Just because it's still up doesn't mean it won't be hit with DMCA soon.
At least on Mediafire, it's 71.55 MB
Maybe they weren't aware of it until it was out? I didn't know of it until recently.
Being, none?
I'm convinced that at this point, the base that is so incredibly persistent for a pure metroid with no substitute is smaller than the F-Zero fanbase.
Professor Beef
Banned
It's possible they haven't heard about it at all. I know I certainly haven't.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Not really. It's just Nintendo army of lawyers unconsciously doing their trademark protection thing.
hosannainexcelsis
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Just to confirm, the tweet linked in the OP is the only source for the DMCA, right? I see nothing about a DMCA on the Metroid Database website.
Pellegri Testament
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Outside of extreme incompetence, there is literally no way they could not have heard about it at some point. When you're all over social media, you know what people are talking about in regards to your IPs. This wasn't something that only got brought up in the Metroid fandom yesterday, it's been talked about for years by people.
Professor Beef
Banned
I only provided a possibility. It's not that implausible. And only speaking for myself, I only heard about this thing yesterday.
Acerac
Banned
This is a far more faithful adaptation than Zero Mission was. I was let down by ZM as well, this remake is absolutely spot on.
TheLostBigBoss
Banned
Let this be a reminder to people who want to do projects on other companies IP's.
You announce it as a little side thing, go silent, drop the release without notice so when the DMCA hammer comes down on you it's already out in the open.
You announce it as a little side thing, go silent, drop the release without notice so when the DMCA hammer comes down on you it's already out in the open.
Combat Wombat
Banned
Strange that they've only taken it down on Metroid Database. The developer's official blog is the first result when you google the game.
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