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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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ultrazilla
Gold Member
I'm being completely honest when I say that *part* of my decision to purchase the game was because of the "online aspect" of the game with a chance to come across real players in game.
Sean seems like a really good fellow but I'm not happy that I was mislead regarding the online aspects *IF* this is true.
Sean seems like a really good fellow but I'm not happy that I was mislead regarding the online aspects *IF* this is true.
Yeah I thought the main selling point was how different the experience would be for everyone, and the chances of players even seeing the same planets were small.
I predict an even bigger shit storm though. Just wait until people start comparing planets and then analysing how so many planets look the same, have the same creatures etc.
I do feel sorry for the devs and the backlash they're going to receive.
The gaming media has started picking up on the story too http://kotaku.com/two-no-mans-sky-players-wound-up-on-the-same-planet-bu-1785051898
legacyzero
Banned
Never needed this game to be a Multiplayer game. Totally hope they add something substantial to it at some point, but as it is, it's awesome.
BUT- You got some 'splainin to do, Sean.
BUT- You got some 'splainin to do, Sean.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Quoting for new page because it reflects my thoughts.
from the gameinformer interview:
Q:It will be so surreal to see another person walking around on a planet.
A:We keep talking about Jack's dad from Lost, basically just to see them in the distance. Like, Did I? What?
Q:The player characters look different than anything else you'll see?
A:Yeah.
Q:Will that be the first time you have any idea what you'd look like?
A:Yeah.
Q
o you have that model built out?A:Yes.
NoFaceNico
Member
This is going to sound stupid but I had this recurring dream in my teen years that I had the planet earth all to myself. Maybe that was the first sign of me being antisocial as fuck, but it was awesome. Every now and then I would have the dream again and while I was just walking around I'd find someone else. Sometimes it was a friend, sometimes it was someone off in the distance or driving by and I could never catch up to them. Sure it was against my wish of having the planet to myself but it at least made it interesting, too much of the same is boring so seeing someone by chance made things interesting and I could still usually go back to being on my own.
So you see, finding another person would be cool because it wouldn't be based around the game. Discovering someone would be an event in itself just like discovering a new world or animal, except this would have been better because it's something that isn't part of the AI and you can't name it, it's another person like you. It would be a very significant and exciting part of any playthrough, as they pitched it to us.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
So when Sean answers the question "can you play with your friends," apparently his "yes" doesn't mean anything?
No, it means you can, but the odds of actually finding them are ridiculously difficult and rare. Back in '14 he already said if everyone was in the same spot you still wouldn't be able to see everyone- you've never had the ability to pick and choose who instance in your bubble.
old manatee
Banned
..because it is instanced.
Ultimately, ya'll did this to yourselves.
Which of course has no bearing on the lack of multiplayer at present- which is consistent with Sean saying that while you can meet your friends it doesn't mean you'll instance together.
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travisbickle
Member
from the gameinformer interview:
Q:It will be so surreal to see another person walking around on a planet.
A:We keep talking about Jack's dad from Lost, basically just to see them in the distance. Like, Did I? What?
Q:The player characters look different than anything else you'll see?
A:Yeah.
Q:Will that be the first time you have any idea what you'd look like?
A:Yeah.
Q
A:Yes.
Yeah. Hello Games have definitely planned for what has happened in the OP. So either the servers fucked up/there's a bug or HELLO GAMES LIED !@$$@@!@$ angryface $@&!'
Krappadizzle
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GankzyMcfly
Member
But two DID find eachother were in the same spot and didnt see eachother...
from the gameinformer interview:
Q:It will be so surreal to see another person walking around on a planet.
A:We keep talking about Jack's dad from Lost, basically just to see them in the distance. Like, Did I? What?
Q:The player characters look different than anything else you'll see?
A:Yeah.
Q:Will that be the first time you have any idea what you'd look like?
A:Yeah.
Q
A:Yes.
Isn't this what this about? That they are most likely not telling the truth.
They didn't find each other though. They went to the same place, but again you don't get to decide who enters your lobby.
How were so many people buying this game for the multiplayer aspects? The game hasn't been advertised like that at all. Unless I'm missing something the only information we have regarding multiplayer comes from interviews where the interviewer brought it up and Sean qualified his answers by saying that meeting anyond is incredibly unlikely.
Low information consumers.
GankzyMcfly
Member
But the dev said yes when asked if you could play with friends....
Dude. The quote in the op is from 2 weeks ago. He doesn't say shit about instances or servers.
TheChewyWaffles
Member
diaspora explains everything away through selective quoting
And technically you can.
There's been numerous articles and interviews that center on this not being multiplayer or cooperative.
I understand your sentiment, but your position I don't think lines up with reality.
How could they ever turn down or even regret any of the hype? Like think about how many more copies the hype will let them sell... and then they're supposed to feel bad that some (or even a lot) of people are disappointing? It's no different then any other blockbuster game, think about watch dogs or assassins creed 9 or whatever, building hype is the marketing strategy.... just because the team is small and more visible on social media doesn't change the economics of selling copies. At some point you compare how many copies you're projected to sell vs. how many people will complain on the internet about it, and then you realize that you don't care about the whiners and will be way better off building the hype.
edit: It's not about promising something and under delivering, it's about getting word of mouth out to literally as many people as you can. Yea it sucks that enthusiasts are disappointed, but selling copies at wal mart to casuals makes up for it.
edit2: OR think about it from the other direction. How many games come out and die because there's no hype. That could be no man's sky. When Sony comes to the no man's sky team and says we're willing to back your game with marketing you fuckin accept, damned be the "consequences" (if you can even call internet disappointment a consequence, the real world doesn't give a shit about internet outrage/scandals/crises whatever)
GankzyMcfly
Member
We can do this forever...so you can play with your friends? But you dont get to choose when...and its extremely unlikely?
Permanently A
Junior Member
Eh, not exactly.
Sean said many times over several interviews that you can see other players, but always with the caveat that it would be an extremely rare and unlikely event.
In Sean's recent tweet he said "The chances of two players ever crossing paths in a universe this large is pretty much zero. To be super clear - No Man's Sky is not a multiplayer game. Please don't go in looking for that experience." This does not say "meeting other people is impossible" it says "meeting other people is highly improbable so don't expect it."
So the contradiction is that Sean has consistently said meeting other people is technically possible, yet from the OP's streams it apparently is not.
I expect this to be a bug, because I don't see why they would lie about this.
depths20XX
Member
I don't think most people were buying it for that. The idea of it being a possibility of seeing someone was interesting to some people I'm guessing.
There was also this weird info from coming from the devs of "it is multiplayer but it's also single player because the universe is too big". Which kinda doesn't mesh well when 2 people find the same planet on the first day. It also doesn't mesh well with the whole "hey we're all going to the central point so why wouldn't more and more of us be seeing each other?" thing.
It's all very vague on how it works at this point basically.
I think the two on twitch are gonna give it another go in the next 20 minutes or so, I imagine they're gonna keep trying to sync up.
One of them even bought PS+ so that they both had it, in case that was a variable.
The point is, the "two people in the same spot" issue is s-o-l-v-e-d. Now it's the instancing problem, and we're gonna see a lot more people over the coming days trying to meet up, and if it doesn't happen, that's going to be disappointing.
People meet up in Dark Souls on purpose without much difficulty. And from a technical standpoint, a location in NMS is just 3 digits. If you detect two players in the same "section" of galaxy, you can throw them in the same instance.
This is the only thing I could find about that label thing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4wza1b/no_mans_sky_european_packaging_relabeled_to_avoid/
Take it with a huge grain of salt
https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/4wza1b/no_mans_sky_european_packaging_relabeled_to_avoid/
Take it with a huge grain of salt
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Correct.
If you play Destiny, there are times when I can see people on my friends list in the tower with me even though we're not in a fire team together.
It all comes down to if/how No Man's Sky handles the instancing.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
So Dr, let's say that No Man's Sky *DOESN'T* have this. Could they patch it in? Basically instancing?
The two Twitch streamers are at the same place again and they are still not seeing each other: http://multitwitch.tv/psytokat/thesadcactus
MassiveNights
Banned
Both not connected to online game service........
fluffydelusions
Member
I thought it was super hard to find the same planet?
Either you can meet people or you can't.
It's possible right now that there is actually no multiplayer code to handle two people meeting. The press leading up, the devs have consistently answered "yes" to people being able to see each other if they're in the same spot. So it remains to be seen.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
That is an extremely bold generalization to make. Not to mention that it doesn't help solve the issue rather it exacerbates the exact thing that you are upset about.
Try and guess if I'm getting the game or not...
I have always believed that it is up to the consumer to hold the entities whom they support accountable and that in doing so it creates a better, stronger, healthier product for the consumer and therefore for the creators of said product as well.
There is nothing wrong with expressing concern for an advertised feature that obviously many are concerned isn't there or are just confused about in the first place.
I thought every planet was procedurally generated too.
So how on earth have two people managed to find the EXACT same planet?!
if a friend of mine and I go to the same spot in Destiny's cosmodrome, what are the odds we'll instance with each other?
That's not really true no, like Destiny two people can see each other if they're in the same spot but there's no way to deliberately enter a chose person's lobby/instance.
That's not really true no, like Destiny two people can see each other if they're in the same spot but there's no way to deliberately enter a chose person's lobby/instance.
perfectsil
Member
I knew people would try to find each other day one but I thought that could take months...
But 2 weeks ago he said it was both single and multi. Is Sean a schizophrenic? Why the mixed signals?
GankzyMcfly
Member
Shouldnt he have mentioned this when he was asked "can you play with your friends" shouldnt he have said... "Not really but hypothetically its possible" why the lack of clarity?
2 weeks ago he said that people could find each other- and that's still possible.
Because it theoretically is, just really, really, really fucking hard and impossibly rare. But possible.
Chill Penguin
Member
No defending that. He outright says the chances of running into another player is small because of the size of what we're trying to do. He straight up lied about this, and he deserves all the backlash he's getting right now.
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