But the thing is: it is 3 different kind of consumers. The person that will buy a $249 console will not buy one at $599.
It is no different than any other market really...
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Patrick Klepek: Sony possibly looking at increasing Neo specs due to Scorpio
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But the thing is: it is 3 different kind of consumers. The person that will buy a $249 console will not buy one at $599.
It is no different than any other market really...
lol this would piss off so many people it's not even funny. The game market is different than the cell phone market who expect things like this to happen. Most people that even want to be a neo are because they believe it will be the best possible for the next couple years at least. Releasing an even more powerful one just a year later will just piss them off.
Colonel Nasty
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No it's not. It's barely two.
Souless_PJ
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Lol the lengths people will stretch to play down the power difference is amazing.
Neo will be the best experience for a year, then Scorpio, then PS5 two years or so after that. It's just timing. You can't match technology a new CPU gen apart.
Neo will be the best experience for a year, then Scorpio, then PS5 two years or so after that. It's just timing. You can't match technology a new CPU gen apart.
The 32X was your idea wasn't it?
StrongBlackVine
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No it is not 3 different kind of consumers. The people that would buy your theoretical console next Fall are the same ones looking to buy a Neo this year.
Then they wait? In the case I was stating, Sony would announce both PS4 Slim and PS4K at the PlayStation Meeting on Setempber.
I've actually mentioned a similar strategy in a different thread. How exactly would they be getting screwed buying a $399 4.2Tflop PS4 slim?
If anything they would be getting a bargain.
You don't seem to be too fussed in the One S threads about a significantly less powerful intermediary console at the same price that's also getting replaced 18 months from now.
Colonel Nasty
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The S is the same price as the current Xbox and includes benefits not offered in the OG XB1. Why would anybody buy a Neo is there was a more powerful version coming next year? What's to say there wouldn't be a fourth version the following year? There's no benefit for Sony as a business to do this.
The xbox one s launched at $399. The price that memento mentioned for the "4.2tf PS4 Slim" too. You think the 4.2Tf PS4 slim system won't have benefits? Why would anyone buy a One S? What stops a fourth Xbox the following year?
Mementos strategy is essentially the same as MS' current plan but instead of a small performance boost between a XB1 and XB1s you get a much better one with PS4 Slim. Theoretically those people should be far less "pissed off" than anybody who buys a One S for $399.
StereoVsn
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It all makes perfect sense if you add duck-tape.
James Sawyer Ford
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Any new insider posts today?
Lol.
Colonel Nasty
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What? The S has replaced the OG Xbox at the exact same price, that's not what's happening with the Neo. People would buy the S because it's the lowest priced Xbox and the lowest priced UHD player. The PS4 as we know it will continue to exist because it's the cheapest barrier to entry. Sony's not going to raise the price of the base PS4 and eliminate the OG. The Neo is absolutely a good buy if it is indeed 400$ for a 4.2 machine. It is not if they announce a better model coming the following year. If they don't announce it and it happens next year that's even worse. It would be equally bad for Scropio.5 to be announced for 2018 or it just show up in Sept of that year.
Perhaps but what are you confused about? This isn't about what actually happens (because we don't know the price), it's what might be good according to mementos strategy outlined in his post. The one you replied to. If the plan outlined in his post happened there really should be nobody "pissed" certainly not you who seems happy about the XB1 S.
The S launched in august for $399. Mementos strategy is to price the more powerful console PS4 slim releasing at roughly the same time at $399 along with a PS4K 18 months from now. The same strategy as MS but a better PS4 Slim system this fall for the same price.
The thing is, you dont need to upgrade. You would play everything on PS4 Slim. The library is shared across the 3 SKUs. With PS4K you would just play it with better graphics. And if you want that, you throw $600 on it. It is no different than any other hardware industry.
Colonel Nasty
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The 400$ S came with a 2TB HDD. And I even I wouldn't haven't bought that version had I know about the bundles on launch day or the 300$ version WITH a games a few weeks later. I dunno why you keep coming back to the point of me buying an S? Not that I need to explain it to you but I purchased one because I own a 4K television and have been buying UHD Blu Rays waiting for one of the consoles to offer a player.
The Neo will not be the same as the S because it will cost more money than the base model. It would not be the same thing as MS because Sony's would cost more. The problem with Mementos plan is it's charging consumers a premium for tech that'll be outdated in a year. If they followed his plan they would cut the legs out from under the Neo, if they didn't announce it Neo owners would upset that they paid a premium for a machine that would be second fiddle the following year. Not even factoring asking developers to develop three versions for one hardware platform.
But that's my point, why would anyone buy a Neo? If you were interested in high end you'd wait the year, if you wanted the lowest price you'd buy the OG. There's no market for Neo. I'd argue there would be no market for the S as well if it were higher priced and the OG XB1 existed.
I couldn't tell if they were serious or not. Here come the crazies.
statham
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real ones?
qa_engineer
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4.8-5.2 Tflops is my guess, assuming they move forward.
Nope. Just blah blah blah. Someone mentioned being able to SLI two "Neo's" together. Wow.
I'm tired of the rumors upon rumors, I want some solid info. So far the meeting on 9/7 is it, the only thing we know 100% is that it exists in some form and is coming.
There are very clear differences between the Xbox One S / Scorpio, and what Memento is suggesting...
Firstly, whilst the XB1S does marginally outperform the standard XB1, it's not at all a marketed advantage.. in fact MS went out of their way to try and portray the machine as having the exact same output as the original console unless you were upscaling to 4k and having HDR. It's only because of places like Digital Foundry that we know otherwise. So people wouldn't be upgrading in large numbers to the XB1S because its performance dwarfs the machine they currently own. This not at all the case for the Neo (regardless of what you name it), with its 2.3x performance increase. There will be many PS4 owners that will move from the original console to the Neo, purely because it's significantly more powerful. The XB1 is my primary platform this gen... yet I'm not planning on upgrading to an XB1S, however even though I use my PS4 only for exclusives, I'll be switching to the Neo rather quickly.
Secondly... and this is a rather big one... The type of audience that'd by a mid-gen upgraded console, overlaps heavily with the sort of crowd we have here on this forum. They know already that the Scorpio exists, because MS told them that it does. So they're not going to blindly purchase an XB1S thinking that they're set for the second half of the generation only for MS to turn around next year and be all "nah, forget that weak BS. Here's the real powah!". Memento on the other hand is suggesting Sony put out the Neo, which people like myself will then go and purchase for its additional performance, only to then spring a surprise console on us again next year, that makes the machine I buy today look a bit stupid. That's the sort of shit Sega would come up with.
Firstly, whilst the XB1S does marginally outperform the standard XB1, it's not at all a marketed advantage.. in fact MS went out of their way to try and portray the machine as having the exact same output as the original console unless you were upscaling to 4k and having HDR. It's only because of places like Digital Foundry that we know otherwise. So people wouldn't be upgrading in large numbers to the XB1S because its performance dwarfs the machine they currently own. This not at all the case for the Neo (regardless of what you name it), with its 2.3x performance increase. There will be many PS4 owners that will move from the original console to the Neo, purely because it's significantly more powerful. The XB1 is my primary platform this gen... yet I'm not planning on upgrading to an XB1S, however even though I use my PS4 only for exclusives, I'll be switching to the Neo rather quickly.
Secondly... and this is a rather big one... The type of audience that'd by a mid-gen upgraded console, overlaps heavily with the sort of crowd we have here on this forum. They know already that the Scorpio exists, because MS told them that it does. So they're not going to blindly purchase an XB1S thinking that they're set for the second half of the generation only for MS to turn around next year and be all "nah, forget that weak BS. Here's the real powah!". Memento on the other hand is suggesting Sony put out the Neo, which people like myself will then go and purchase for its additional performance, only to then spring a surprise console on us again next year, that makes the machine I buy today look a bit stupid. That's the sort of shit Sega would come up with.
You don't know this even though I would guess it to be so but again memento is saying price the PS4 Slim at $399. Whether that is doable or happening is beside the point.
I mention it because I fail to see why anybody would be pissed, I'm trying to make the point clear that you being happy about buying a $399 console that would be outdated in a year would be the exact same situation except you have an even lower power more dated machine than anybody buying a PS4 Slim at $399. The same way that scorpio cuts the legs from under the XBox One S the strategy he is mentioning is identical except you get a 4.2Tf machine this year for $399. The question is are you pissed about buying a One S this year if you are then yeah I can see why you would feel the same about a $399 PS4 slim this year. If not then I fail to see why.
The marketed advantage is 4k and HDR. Who exactly goes for that then? The PS4 Slim can and would likely have the same marketing. You say this like sony have marketed what the PS4 Slim can do. Secondly memento mentioned that they both be announced so there is no springing a surprise. What memento is suggesting is exactly the same. You can decide.
It'll still be an area of difference. As PCs have the user tweak and test settings to get the most out of their unique hardware configurations. Whereas I don't think console devs would ever have more that a few optional settings.
I think MS especially will have to go this route for the Scorpio to transition into their main stream console beyond 2017 (unless they want to shift away from the "native 4K" marketing) because such a large portion of their market won't have TVs capable of displaying content in 4K.
Kwansu Dudes
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We need Mr. Rigby's input ASAP.
Yeah, absolutely. People are already confused about the Xbox One S vs. Scorpio. I saw it on Reddit today within a gaming sub.
As I said though, Sony would reveal both consoles at the PlayStation Meeting on Setempber.
PS4 Slim coming this October at $399 and PS4K coming Holiday 2017 at $599. (Important to set the price so expectations and choices can already be established by the interested consumers).
Basically nobody if they already own the XB1. Sure, some may pick one up anyway, because they want a cheap UHD BluRay player, or they're just the sort that typically buys console revisions... but the XB1S is not being sold as any kind of XB1.5. Any performance differences between it and the original console are effectively invisible, and the average person will never even know they are there. Sony couldn't position the Neo in a similar fashion without lowballing the machine so badly that you'd have to question it existence. They would also have to be willing to sell the console at a price that replaces the original console entirely... something they've pretty clearly stated they're not doing.
There are often small things that differentiate a new revision of a console from the prior version. The HDMI port on the 360 (and consequently its ability to output 1080p) is an example. Being on a whole different performance spectrum isn't typically one of them, and that'll push people to upgrade that wouldn't typically purchase a slim model for the same reasons. Doing that twice in the span of a year... not a good look.
Ah. missed that post. The rest of the above remains an issue though.
In general, all we have to go on are the statements of the manufactuerers. There's no more else to do.
For Sony's part, they have shut down launching units annually or too close together, still want to preserve the base concept of generations, and don't consider NEO upgrades to be a generation leap in line what what they consider a paradigm shift for gaming development. Only something in between, a higher quality option for base PS4 users looking for something a bit better.
wapplew
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Copy MS "told you in advance" strategy for Scorpio?
Not happening. AMD said they had 3 new chipsets between now and next Holiday. All 3 are accounted for, Xbox One S, Neo and Scorpio. There is no PS4 slim, the Neo and base PS4 will be sold alongside each other as entry and enthusiast level skus.
Basically. Maybe even put a nice little hype-concept video such as Microsoft did.
What if PS4K is using the same one of the Scorpio? They would be practically the same specs-wise anyways.
They won't be because they are semi-custom designs for whatever the case is for each company. They're on a contract with Microsoft for currently 3 specific designs (one of which is being replaced and phased out) and Sony for 2. The Neo won't be anything like the Scorpio.
What if Atlus is under NDA? Sony didnt announce anything after all.
AMD has said is they have 3 new contracts and confirmed both the Xbox One S and Scorpio are 2 of the 3. The NX at this point is pretty much all but going Tegra from Nvidia leaving the Neo as the only device that would fit AMDs new APU contract. They haven't mentioned anything in regards to that contract being with Sony but there is literally nothing else it can be and based on everything that has leaked the Neo is going with a bolstered PS4 APU which would be a new APU build.
wapplew
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The whole premium console mid gen upgrade no gen model already messy enough, no point for more hassle just to match Scorpio spec, let MS have that most powerful console.
Being most powerful Playstation alone is good enough.
It would have to be patched to at a minimum be the same FPS but bumped to 1080p. Where they go from there is anyone's guess as long as it doesn't add new features to the game.
paolo11
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Xenoflare
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Actually, if Xbox One S is anything to go by, it might benefit from the increased GPU power since FFXV uses dynamic resolution, so even if it doesn't have a patch, there will still going to be performance gains. Likely that the game would probably stay on 1080p instead of dynamic down-scaling.
Since PS4 to Neo has a supposedly large spec gap, the end result might be very obvious even without it.
Just my 2 cents
On regular PS4 FFXV goes from 1080p to 900p according to the stress on the GPU during a scene.
I think it is supposed to be? If it is, then locking 30 FPS would likely be the next thing. I can't see the team doing too much unless Sony is asking them to use it as a showpiece for the Neo.
Not at all. The Xbox One S is replacing the Xbox One base unit. The Neo will be sold alongside the base PS4. The Neo is also pretty significant upgrade from the base unit where the Xbox One S is just marginally better to be able to support HDR in games without those games performing worse that use it.
Xenoflare
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The One S is a traditional slim revision with reduced size and energy footprint, if the 4.2TF things are true (which is very likely), then it's much more powerful than just a "bit"
I think Neo also has far more attraction towards current owners of PS4 more so than the One S to OG One owners, even though most people with their PS4s are most likely content with their old console.
They are doing the same thing, why do people always say "for Sony" or "for MS"? There is literally no difference in how they are approaching this, one is only coming out after the other and reportedly more powerful. Market leader or not, they are doing the same thing. A mid generation upgrade to the same console that plays all the same games. All this other stuff people talking about is just nonsense (imo).
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johnnydrama
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I don't want to be mean, but maybe read up a little on the matter before posting in these threads? This is not a good look, man.
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