Meeting as in sharing coordinates. They obviously assumed given the scale and the math used to determine starting positions it wouldn't be possible on day one.
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A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Meeting as in sharing coordinates. They obviously assumed given the scale and the math used to determine starting positions it wouldn't be possible on day one.
Then why are you not adressing the video he link?
See, these are the kind of mental gymnasitics that the developers right now are facilitating with their vague tweets. They don't want to outright confirm that a feature, which many players are expecting based on many interviews, is not in the game at all. Not at this stage, when the game needs to rake in the bulk of its sales.
@"they never confirmed MP"-people: see the quoted post? This is what happens. This is the result of intentional misinformation that the devs are feeding their fans right now.
Again: the dev intentionally being vague with that comment in order to perpetuate false expectations.
1. Wrong. Many features that Molyneux talked about made it into his games - albeit mostly in gimped form. The comparison is apt.
2.-4. Wishful thinking (that these are the reasons players cannot actually meet right now).
perineumlick
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Did you see the post about the packet capture? There is no matchmaker or player instance going on here. This is a single player game at the moment with a glorified leaderboard system, which is fine; I'm enjoying myself with the game. That said, he should man up and call it what it is, and people spazzing out because people are calling it out need to reevaluate themselves; we're all adults here and this is a hobby we share. Nothing to get defensive about.
Was more a respond to the crowbatvideo everyone is posting. Game is out for a day and "everybody" is going nuts about this Thing and Murray is the worst Person ever. Dont like this overreaction.
There must be some sort of time distortion/alternate reality shit going on due to the release of the game because the game we've got is the exact one that was promoted to me.
CrazedProfessional
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I don't understand, out of all the things to lie about. The one thing; Multiplayer, a lie guaranteed to be found out is the one they told.
Like sure at E3 there are lies per spokesperson, per trailer but none of them go as far as to promise multiplayer that actually isn't there.
Like sure at E3 there are lies per spokesperson, per trailer but none of them go as far as to promise multiplayer that actually isn't there.
GankzyMcfly
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Yea from how it sounds it appears that it might not even have the pop in pop out multiplayer like darksouls from what people have been posting here.
Im still not 100% sure thought cuz the devs have been unclear (and that all sounds pretty technical and legit but im not that knowledgeable with the tech side of things).
wesleyshark
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BudokaiMR2
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Wow a lot of people seem really angry!
I never really expected this to be a multi-player game which is why I have been more invested in Elite. These huge sprawling games just don't seem very fun if there aren't player interactions going on to help fill the void.
Will still probably pick it up once I return from Gamescom just because it does offer some different features that will probably never be in Elite.
I never really expected this to be a multi-player game which is why I have been more invested in Elite. These huge sprawling games just don't seem very fun if there aren't player interactions going on to help fill the void.
Will still probably pick it up once I return from Gamescom just because it does offer some different features that will probably never be in Elite.
My expectations were that it was a single player discovery game, I don't know how people let their expectations get out of control.
Besides some vague statements here and there this game has never been addressed as a multiplayer game.
i was replying ad hoc, expanded on my post slightly
TheSpoiler
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...and that also was said to have a multiplayer feature. That is probably doesn't even contain going by gossi's packet post.
Why do people think it's okay to tell other people how to feel in terms of being a consumer? If you are promised a product with features, and it does not come with said features, you have a right to not be okay with that. Just like you have a right to ignore that. Both don't need to seep into each other, and I don't see why people feel the need to tell others to forget about it.
The point stands that they said their would be a multiplayer feature in this game, and there most likely isn't (unless the ghost thing COULD happen), but "playing with your friends" and "griefing" implies more than that. It's a single player game with multiplayer elements going by their words.
C'mon now. Let's not sit here and act like people aren't being rational about this situation, regardless of whether or not you care about the multiplayer feature. The video isn't even all that bad considering it's just taking what he said, in context, about the multiplayer aspect of the game.
ClosingADoor
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If your customers have a question about the product they are buying, a company should probably respond to it. They don't have to, but it is a good business practice.
If someone buys a product that they thought was going to have a certain feature and find out it isn't there, why can't the company confirm that?
Interviews were he told you can play with friends and you can have interactionts with other people if found are vague statements?
BackFromThePast
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Yea. We were lied to.
Well, the Crowbat video speaks differently.
For now the only MP component seems asking on Twitter if there's a MP component in the game. I'm still interested in the game, but I don't know why Sean or some people from NMS give a "Yes, you can do this, this and this one online, you can't do that" reply.
Ok but on the box it doesn't mention multiplayer anywhere, that is no one's fault but your own if you purchased that game expecting the box to be a lie.
Shambalakan
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I really didn't know this is so important for NMS players!
I think that they put multiplayer in but it is switched off right now or parts of it are disabled.
I personally think the only multiplayer component of this game is the metadata everyone is adding about animals/planets and their names.
thomasmahler
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The game isn't sending out any movement data. There is no multiplayer, period.
TheChewyWaffles
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And for people who bought digitally?
What the hell are you guys (and some others) talking about with expectations being set too high? The expectations were set by Murray himself in various interviews during which he clearly stated players would be able to meet and see each other. This is solely on the devs (intentional misinformation).
The box isn't the be all and end all. Interviews are just as much part of the marketing.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't all there when he tweeted that? Nope. This is intentional misinformation.
This whole controversy is kinda hilarious. It would be SO EASY to clear it up with a yes or no answer but apparently being super vague about everything even after the game is out is the way they're going.
Like...if it's a server thing just say so. If it isn't in the game at all, people are going to figure that out. The latest info about the movement data is really damning.
Like...if it's a server thing just say so. If it isn't in the game at all, people are going to figure that out. The latest info about the movement data is really damning.
That customer should learn to read
Would you buy a grill expecting to cook 4 burgers when it says it only holds 2?
.do we see two people meeting on the box art or something?
This falls on consumers
Edit: I don't care if the commercial shows 4 burgers being cooked the box still says it can hold 2
ISee
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For small and niche games, especially when they have a troubled and problematic development process? For sure! But you overread that part generously.
If people wouldn't buy and preorder niche games only big and boring AAA CoD clones would come out. So instead of telling them that they are part of a problem (that only exists in you head, btw) just thank them for being optimistic about something and willing to support it before release.
And thank you for pointing out that games existed before pre orders. I surely wasn't aware about that, because obviously I'm stupid. But guess what the world and especially the way we are trading and promoting things has changed. Thinking that this industry could go back to a no pre order area is like thinking that commerce could be done without the internet today. Or would you agree to a statement like:" We need no Amazon, because there was a time before Amazon." Pre orders are a big part of this hobby (industry). Get used to it. And to be honest pre orders aren't the problem. People like you defending companies/developers after they were caught lying are. But that's just my opinion.
irrotational
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This will get lost in the thread...but hey ho.
Two players starting near each other may be less rare than they thought...a good example of this is the birthday problem...
Take a room of 30 people, whats the chance that a pair of them share the same birthday? Doing rough mental maths you think 30 people, 365 days so maybe it's about 1 in 12 or something.
Actually it's about 50 percent! The reason is that what matters is the number of pairs of people you generate not the number of people.
Given 30 people there are an awful lot of possibly pairs you can pick, and each one of those might have the same birthday.
Sure there are 18 quintillion planets but if you work out the number of pairs of people (out of a few million) it's going to be a very large number. Couple that with the fact that people can travel a bit, so they don't have to start on exactly the same planet and the probability gets significantly higher again.
Two players starting near each other may be less rare than they thought...a good example of this is the birthday problem...
Take a room of 30 people, whats the chance that a pair of them share the same birthday? Doing rough mental maths you think 30 people, 365 days so maybe it's about 1 in 12 or something.
Actually it's about 50 percent! The reason is that what matters is the number of pairs of people you generate not the number of people.
Given 30 people there are an awful lot of possibly pairs you can pick, and each one of those might have the same birthday.
Sure there are 18 quintillion planets but if you work out the number of pairs of people (out of a few million) it's going to be a very large number. Couple that with the fact that people can travel a bit, so they don't have to start on exactly the same planet and the probability gets significantly higher again.
PrioritySe7en
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I never thought it was a multiplayer game, even if there was an offhand chance of seeing another player. Hopefully no one bought a game if they had doubts on the features included.
TheSpoiler
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So if the developer says one thing, but the back of the box says another, it's my fault for being confused as a consumer?
I'm learning something new every day.
Nah, your analogy is busted.
It'd be more like a grill was coming out with an additional feature. During previews of said grill, written interviews, all that jazz about the grill, the addition was said to be in.
On the back of the box on release day, the grill doesn't come with the addition. On social media, they continue to say the grill has the addition, if ever so slyly.
That's called false advertisement. The back of the box is not some get-out-of-jail-free card. I'm not saying they should be sued or anything, but the onus is not on the consumer in a situation like this.
I'm not saying there is. But people are upset that two guys found each other day 1.
They did try: "To be super clear - No Man's Sky is not a multiplayer game. Please don't go in looking for that experience."
I mean, I don't know how to be more clear than that.
I do think Sean fucked up by tweeting about two players "meeting" last night, however, when the point was they didn't. But I gather he hasn't slept in a week, so.
Yeah man, it's been like that since the 80's, when has the box ever been wrong? Never once in my life.
They didnt
thomasmahler
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Sean Murray said in interviews that there's multiplayer. Now we find out the game doesn't even send any movement data out to a server. It doesn't matter one bit what's on the box - A feature that was promised isn't in the product and nobody at Hello Games ever informed anybody that the feature didn't make it into the game or that it's disabled for now or whatever.
This is a full-on Molyneux right there.
ClosingADoor
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That customer has read and listened to direct statements from the developer saying feature X was there on multiple occasions. Not even 2 days ago he implied it was there. And today he is talking about two players "finding each other." You can't blame people for being confused about this.
Oh, and if your commercial says something different then the box, then a company should clear that up asap. If they don't, it is called misinformation or false advertising.
Wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE0nuW-mQ8A
Giving him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't all there when he tweeted that? Nope. This is intentional misinformation.
He should have said this way before the game was released and not just play the "maybe, maybe not, you'll see *wink*" game.
The Elite
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He also mentions the servers being an issue. I notice people keep ignoring that.
SlickShoes
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NMS has lots of things Elite doesn't have though, it's not just a direct comparison.
As someone who only followed this game here and there, I also thought I remembered something about "being able to see other players".
I'm not a big multiplayer guy so it does not really change much, it would have been cool though to have some sort of Dark Souls esque ghost thing.
Or footsteps.
I'm not a big multiplayer guy so it does not really change much, it would have been cool though to have some sort of Dark Souls esque ghost thing.
Or footsteps.
Fine then I blame people for throwing their money at a game that had unreal hype and expectations since day 1.
But I have to blame people because look how outraged some of the people are getting in here, on GAF, we are supposed to be against this behavior no?
Because one single dude just made a statement about packet sniffing everything goes real?
I am skeptical that you can just read out every data they send. Normally those packages are encrypted and you can't read shit out of them.
Furthermore, how do you know about the implementation? I am a software engineer myself and there are times where you only send data to servers when specific conditions are met.
If they don't share an instance there is no reason to send out movement data for the server. The server would only need the system, create an instance for multiple players and THEN start sending movement data. Otherwise EVERY player would send out movement data to servers and that would be just wasted bandwidth/processing power for the server.
At this point it is just unclear what happened there and we should keep cool until there is REAL confirmation about that matter.
ClosingADoor
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I don't see any outrage. I see confused people who think a developer should probably clear up some questions people have about their game.
OuterLimits
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I still think the more odd issue is that in a game with supposedly 18 quintrillion planets had two people able to try and meet up on the same planet Day 1.
Btw,I'm enjoying the game but it is a bummer if indeed there is zero chance of ever running into another player. I always figured it was obviously super slim of course.
Not sure why he can't just give a clear answer on things. He sounds like a politician often.
Btw,I'm enjoying the game but it is a bummer if indeed there is zero chance of ever running into another player. I always figured it was obviously super slim of course.
Not sure why he can't just give a clear answer on things. He sounds like a politician often.
So he says it's incredibly rare? Maybe you guys should have not glossed over that.
ClosingADoor
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Incredibly rare is not the same as impossible. That is why people are confused.
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