Note the second part of my post (which was edited in, so I don't blame you for missing it).
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Rumor: NX controller supports Wii-like motion control and force-feedback.
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I mean gyro is expected. Wiimote-like functionality and force feedback is the potential news here.
It'll probably work in a similar manner to the Wii U GamePad while in Handheld Mode, but you can use it as a full-on Wii Remote-like set-up (potentially with an IR blaster as well) while in Dock Mode.
...Touché
Cow Mengde
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I like the rumors more and more. Please be true! Motion control aiming is awesome.
TheMagician
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Super Mario 64 20th Anniversary Edition at launch would be nice.
All in NX level graphics of course.
All in NX level graphics of course.
Candescence
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You're assuming that games will be built around a specific control method rather than having multiple. I can imagine shooters having pure dual-stick, gyro, and pointer options, for example. Nintendo is not going to design this thing in a way that makes it a problem to play in handheld or docked mode. I wouldn't trust lazy third-party devs to not fuck that up, though, most of them tend to force a single control binding set down your throat and expect you to enjoy using it... Christ, remember when Goldeneye let you use two N64 controllers for dual-stick aiming? Good times.
Yeah, varied control options are sorely missing from most console games, and Nintendo moving towards encouraging multiple control options is an absolute blessing.
OrbitalBeard
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Even the best, most innovative products at the conceptual level can turn out poorly if it fails in its execution. You have done nothing to convince me that having multiple control options is a bad thing. The Wii had multiple control options, as did Wii U. Neither succeeded or failed based on it.
Also, regardless of your desire for NX to be primarily a handheld, if the rumors are true, it's clear Nintendo will be creating and marketing the device as both a portable and home console.
Edit - Mind you, if you're talking about NX shipping with a completely separate set of motion controls in addition to a more traditional option, then yeah, I can agree with that possibly being an issue. That's not what this article is saying though.
It makes sense financially as well.
Nintendo lost a massive amount of revenue by allowing consumers to use Wii controllers on the Wii U..yet earned then little acknowledgment or thanks for it. The added value was largely ignored by consumers...so they might as well just charge the extra $60 for additional upgraded Wiimotes/nunchuks and try and keep the NX itself as cheap as possible while making the profit on peripherals.
I Wanna Be The Guy
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Only if they vastly update the camera and controls. But then that would remove most of the challenge of the game so I dunno.
basically if you want a "standard" controller you're gonna have to go backwards in time
mentallyinept
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I see how my post could be read like that but that's not really the main point I was trying to convey.
I was more focusing on the potential of them going back to the Wii control scheme considering this OP mentioned that you could use Wii Remotes with NX games and the new NX controllers are being described as a Wii Remote Plus-Plus.
I'll edit my post to clear this up.
Edit: What Mega said:
It is wrong. They need to make a clean break from all this Wii branded mess and avoid confusing people any further. NX needs to be a fresh start with one new controller.
Plinko
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LOL at the people freaking out and thinking Nintendo is going back to waggle-only.
The Wii U already allows multiple control options and this thing is a handheld. There's absolutely zero chance this thing is waggle-only.
The Wii U already allows multiple control options and this thing is a handheld. There's absolutely zero chance this thing is waggle-only.
Davey Cakes
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Absolutely agreed. I was fine with two iterations of the Wii name but Nintendo needs to move on. I really hope they realize it, too.
What's kind of funny is that "Wii Go" as an example name makes a lot more sense than Wii U. We go. But that doesn't mean Nintendo should use it. The company needs to return to the days when a Nintendo system was just called a "Nintendo."
Obviously things like Mii's are still fine. Amiibos too. The "ii" isn't the problem but the actual Wii name itself is tied to a system that people have abandoned and a system that was mostly a failure.
A clean break means Nintendo can take a completely new approach to marketing.
Also, the benefit of NX being a console and handheld at the same time is that the DS name in all its variations also go away. 3DS and 2DS have been doing well (enough) but Nintendo needs to simplify and go all or nothing. A line of products that all work together and a line of games that can be labeled as "play on handheld or on TV" would go a long way to refresh Nintendo's brand in the overall scheme of things.
And again I ask, what of peripherals like the GameCube Adapter? Would this crusade be on everything with the Wii name on it in any way?
Candescence
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Not to mention the Dualshock 4 is only 'standard' if you ignore the gyro, the tracking triangle and the touchpad. The NX, if this rumor is to be believed, is basically all that except cut in half and able to be attached to a portable screen.
Me, too. Looks like we might be finally getting that remote update we've been wanting. This has me more excited than the system itself, honestly.
Huge Succeeded
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The Wii Remote needed more buttons to begin with for that to happen
yeah that was pretty much my point, that the poster I quoted wanted a supposed standard controller but that type of controller ceased to be standard after the ps3/x360 gen
Davey Cakes
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No, I don't believe so. If NX will have some legacy functionality with Wii-branded controllers/peripherals then this obviously extends to the Gamecube Adapter. That is, until Nintendo rebrands such peripherals with the NX name.
I think they can cut the Wii name for the system completely but smoothly transition away from Wii-branded products while still supporting them.
brandonh83
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I hope to fucking god that Nintendo names it Wii 2. That day on the internet... I just... I have no idea.
OrbitalBeard
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As hilarious as that day would be, the aftermath wouldn't be. You should want this device to be successful.
Candescence
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I hope this thing is real.
Sheesh, I forgot that was a thing. Honestly, it seems kinda outdated now, what with the Vive controllers being a thing, combine that thing with the Steam Controller and make it compatible with lighthouse tracking and it'd be incredible.
Davey Cakes
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Agreed. Some internet entertainment is not worth Nintendo fucking up their marketing approach again.
Basically this.
Probably the tablet thing has basic gyroscopes that the default controllers don't have. I'm afraid that if the patent talking about controllers with no circuit parts and so is true, this is just optional, for the docked mode or simply a lie.
The dream is dead.
says you ;p
They can definitely work on that now. Let's hope they've done it.
Camera I'll give you, but controls? That's the best Mario has ever controlled; before, after or otherwise.
brandonh83
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Maybe I can have a nightmare about it one night, one of those that feel real.
outunderthestars
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You can't let the needs of a small niche audience dictate the design of something that you are hoping to sell 50 million units of.
Jorok Goldblade
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The NX thread is dead. Long live the NX thread.
But seriously, this is great news so long as the controllers have a full standard set of buttons. Having two fully functioning remote (instead of the nunchuck being extremely limited) and the right button layout to have the option to use it as a "split pro controller" is a great setup.
But seriously, this is great news so long as the controllers have a full standard set of buttons. Having two fully functioning remote (instead of the nunchuck being extremely limited) and the right button layout to have the option to use it as a "split pro controller" is a great setup.
TheGreyHulk
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that haptic feedback sounds pretty damn good. curious to see what this damn system is all about. it sounds like there's so many different ways to enjoy games on NX. stop playing with my wiimotions nintendo. spill the beans already!
AR + Cardboard. Go wild
But let me ask you this, how does something like a GameCube Adapter (which is USB-based, by the way) hurt the NX in any way? If anything, losing functionality for the Smash 4 port would make it be seen as inferior. Hell, it's not just the competitive scene that still uses GameCube Controllers. Have you seen how many college students go to their Student Life area (the MSC in my case) with their GameCube Controllers ready? Don't underestimate the use of the Adapter, even if it's just for Smash. No use in pissing off a ton of people just for the sake of wiping the slate clean. As I've learned over the years of being on GAF, not everything is as cut-&-cry as you'd like to think.
The Gamecube controller and GC adapter don't use Wii-style connectors in any part of the chain and they're not an option for controlling the vast majority of Wii and Wii U games. I think it's fine since it works with so few games (Smash and a few N64 games?) and it's primarily branded at a tiny hardcore niche. It would be simple and non-intrusive to continue supporting it for Smash players.
My concern lies with the Wii u gamepad, Wii U wireless controller, Wii remote, Will Classic Controllers, the Nunchuk and the other plastic attachments murkying the waters of the potential for awesome simplicity and the start of a solid new brand with the NX and the general NX library. All that old stuff is too much and needs to be left in the past.
But then there's the fact that the new NES Controllers coming this November use the exact same plug found on the bottom of Wii Remotes. Either the NX is gonna use a similar port or the Wii Remotes will be kept around in some way (possibly under a rebrand).
Huge Succeeded
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Except I don't think they could, because they'd still have to develop around the hundreds of millions of regular Wii Remotes as a standard. It's hard for me to say whether or not it was a complete mistake keeping the Wii Remote so simple, but just like two or three more small ancillary face buttons positioned around the A button would have done wonders for its forward compatibility. Dropping that dumbass tin speaker in favor of extra buttons would have been pretty nice
I really don't trust Nintendo to make informed decisions about their control schemes anymore, to be honest. Not after the 3DS shipped with one circle pad. Nintendo is the kind of company that would release a 3D-centric platform that plays 3D games. Without a second analog stick. And though many people defended that decision at first, it's pretty obvious that it was a poor decision when you look at the horrible and goofy Circle Pad Pros which are meant to enable sensible controls for pretty much every 3D game with real ambition on the platform, and the even more horrible New 3DS Nub (which supports CCP-enabled games but does a piss-poor job of actually replacing a real analog)
JetSetRadio
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I always loved how that wrist strap made you feel like a 4 year old.
Spieler Eins
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Maybe you played the DS version.
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