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[Dragonslayer_023]

I'm fine to "sexy" content on VR, both for males and females.

But groping a girl against her will is too much for me, even if it doesn't have nudity. Hell, nudity is not the point here.

Btw I also hate gruesome kills. The GoW VR comparison someone said doesn't work to me because its basically monsters trying to kill you (I still find chainsaw kills gruesome though).

You're not "groping a girl against her will," it's a video game.

 

[YianGaruga]

Geez Louise...really? This was really needed? That video was so pervy that I couldn't watch all of it. Games like this where you can interact in such a way don't help the situation. These types of experiences are what make unbalanced people think it's perfectly ok to grope people in public, like we've seen so recently at Evo and other gaming conventions. This type of game is not needed in this world, I'm sorry.

Yes and violent games turn you into murderers.

There are so many games out there that are SO MUCH WORSE regarding sex, this is nothing

 

[v0yce]

I'm fine to "sexy" content on VR, both for males and females.

But groping a girl against her will is too much for me, even if it doesn't have nudity. Hell, nudity is not the point here.

Btw I also hate gruesome kills. The GoW VR comparison someone said doesn't work to me because its basically monsters trying to kill you (I still find chainsaw kills gruesome though).

Okay, how about a clean headshot in Halo vs another Spartan?

 

[TheBeebs]

Welp - time to get my pre-order in.

 

[Portugeezer]

Seems more fun than stabbing people in their throats.

 

[GorillaJu]

Sexual harassment simulator 2016

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

Geez Louise...really? This was really needed? That video was so pervy that I couldn't watch all of it. Games like this where you can interact in such a way don't help the situation. These types of experiences are what make unbalanced people think it's perfectly ok to grope people in public, like we've seen so recently at Evo and other gaming conventions. This type of game is not needed in this world, I'm sorry.

If you think games like this turn people into sex criminals you also have to accept that violent games turn people into killers. I thought we were past all that.

 

[DVCY201]

LOL, now everyone can pretend to be that pervy old grandpa in Japanese anime

I don't think a digital character has much agency, so it's hard for me to seriously consider this sexual harassment. But it's fair game if you don't like the content

 

[King Gilga]

You're not "groping a girl against her will," it's a video game.

You are groping someone against their will in a video game.

It's disgusting tbh.

I'm fine if it's a straight up full on sex game or w/e.

But if it was an extension of this it'd be a rape game.

So yeah, not fucking kosher.

 

[Ferr986]

Okay, how about a clean headshot in Halo vs another Spartan?

I don't even play Halo or any FPS but whatever. I'm just saying context matters.

Just make a dating sim with actual sexy acts, I think it would be better than making a molester simulator. Same as how you're playing a war in Halo (I guess?) and not killing innocent civiliants (I know there's games that makes you kill civiliants, hate that too).

 

[Deadpool_X]

If you think games like this turn people into sex criminals you also have to accept that violent games turn people into killers. I thought we were past all that.

I said nothing about it "turning people into sex criminals". I said that it could give unbanalanced people the idea that what they are doing in game is acceptable in the real world as well. Almost everyone can distinguish the line between game and reality, but for those few who can't, playing a game like this could desensitize them to the point where they feel it's an acceptable thing in the gaming fandom to do. The fact that the character is protesting vehemently and the player can still continue only strengthens the idea in their mind that it's no big deal. Sick, demented people are constantly looking for inspiration to tell them that their screwed up minds and thought processes are valid...

 

[Astral/H3X]

Maybe if she was "into" it, I'd consider PSVR to go along with my Vive. But it's just odd to hear them basically saying stop that.

Like I get shyness and all of that, and maybe that's the intent, but my American ears which are used to American responses just hears molesting.

Like the photo shoots in the regular game? Totally awesome, because they don't seem like they'd definitely not rather be there. This? Uh, well... Yeah.

 

[Dragonslayer_023]

I said nothing about it "turning people into sex criminals". I said that it could give unbanalanced people the idea that what they are doing in game is acceptable in the real world as well. Almost everyone can distinguish the line between game and reality, but for those few who can't, playing a game like this could desensitize them to the point where they feel it's an acceptable thing in the gaming fandom to do. The fact that the character is protesting vehemently and the player can still continue only strengthens the idea in their mind that it's no big deal. Sick, demented people are constantly looking for inspiration to tell them that their screwed up minds and thought processes are valid...

Yes so you are saying that violent videogames could do the same thing.

 

[Hektor]

I said nothing about it "turning people into sex criminals". I said that it could give unbanalanced people the idea that what they are doing in game is acceptable in the real world as well. Almost everyone can distinguish the line between game and reality, but for those few who can't, playing a game like this could desensitize them to the point where they feel it's an acceptable thing in the gaming fandom to do. The fact that the character is protesting vehemently and the player can still continue only strengthens the idea in their mind that it's no big deal. Sick, demented people are constantly looking for inspiration to tell them that their screwed up minds and thought processes are valid...

You can make th exact same argument about violent videogames. And in fact, that argument already was made a thousand times already against them.

 

[Yukinari]

I don't even play Halo or any FPS but whatever. I'm just saying context matters.

Just make a dating sim with actual sexy acts, I think it would be better than making a molester simulator. Same as how you're playing a war in Halo (I guess?) and not killing innocent civiliants (I know there's games that makes you kill civiliants, hate that too).

Everyone made such a huge deal over Hatred and every site gave it massive press about how violent it is.

Then you play the actual game and its not only mediocre but barely worth the controversy.

 

[YianGaruga]

For the west, they should replace the silver toy with a gun and you can shoot her in the head and watch her die (against her will even)

that seems to be more acceptable than jiggling breasts

 

[Sangetsu-II]

You are groping someone against their will in a video game.

So if the digital character is ok with being groped, we are good right? lol

 

[Kthulhu]

I said nothing about it "turning people into sex criminals". I said that it could give unbanalanced people the idea that what they are doing in game is acceptable in the real world as well. Almost everyone can distinguish the line between game and reality, but for those few who can't, playing a game like this could desensitize them to the point where they feel it's an acceptable thing in the gaming fandom to do. The fact that the character is protesting vehemently and the player can still continue only strengthens the idea in their mind that it's no big deal. Sick, demented people are constantly looking for inspiration to tell them that their screwed up minds and thought processes are valid...

There are a million things in this world that could potentially cause someone "unbalanced" to think something is okay. Doesn't mean the rest of us should be denied something we want for the small minority who can't handle an damn video game.

 

[YianGaruga]

So if the digital character is ok with being groped, we are good right? lol

You are groping someone against their will in a video game.

I bet Nyotengu would be into it

 

[King Gilga]

So if the digital character is ok with being groped, we are good right? lol

Yeah sure, put it in her pooper, I don't care.

 

[Tyaren]

For the west, they should replace the silver toy with a gun and you can shoot her in the head and watch her die (against her will even)

that seems to be more acceptable than jiggling breasts

 

[Sangetsu-II]

I bet Nyotengu would be into it

1018 human years of experience

I bet she would indeed.

 

[Deadpool_X]

Yes so you are saying that violent videogames could do the same thing.

So what you're saying is that you'd rather allow a literal virtual molestation simulator (an experience where you can molest a very clearly unwilling participant) to exist because no one has done a scientific study to see the correlation between mentally unstable people and the influences on their life in a real world capacity to molest someone? Wow, I guess I'd just rather be proactive than reactive when it comes to a person being victimized.

There are a million things in this world that could potentially cause someone "unbalanced" to think something is okay. Doesn't mean the rest of us should be denied something we want for the small minority who can't handle an damn video game.

So, you're saying that you want an experience where you get to sexually molest someone who is very clearly asking you not to, telling you to stop, etc?

 

[Astral/H3X]

So if the digital character is ok with being groped, we are good right? lol

Yes, actually. There's nothing wrong with sexuality -- there is something wrong with non-consensual sexuality.

 

[Hektor]

So what you're saying is that you'd rather allow a literal virtual molestation simulator (an experience where you can molest a very clearly unwilling participant) to exist because no one has done a scientific study to see the correlation between mentally unstable people and the influences on their life in a real world capacity to molest someone? Wow, I guess I'd just rather be proactive than reactive when it comes to a person being victimized.

So what you're saying is that you'd rather allow a literal virtual murder simulator (an experience where you can murder a very clearly unwilling participant) to exist because no one has done a scientific study to see the correlation between mentally unstable people and the influences on their life in a real world capacity to murder someone? Wow, I guess I'd just rather be proactive than reactive when it comes to a person being victimized.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

So what you're saying is that you'd rather allow a literal virtual molestation simulator (an experience where you can molest a very clearly unwilling participant) to exist because no one has done a scientific study to see the correlation between mentally unstable people and the influences on their life in a real world capacity to molest someone? Wow, I guess I'd just rather be proactive than reactive when it comes to a person being victimized.

No, I think what they're saying is why you're seemingly taking umbrage with something like this and not something like GTA V, where you can kill innocent people pleading for their lives.

 

[MattXIII]

My girlfriend is gonna love this! She's put so much time into DOAX3 she's almost got me the platinum trophy XD

 

[SparksterMeta0]

looks rough

Looks smooth...

NeoGAF

 

[YianGaruga]

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[Sangetsu-II]

Yes, actually. There's nothing wrong with sexuality -- there is something wrong with non-consensual sexuality.

Sure, if the person existed in real life.

It's a videogame (that has been already done in a lot of videogames on Vita mind you) just because now we have it in first person mode people decide to be against it?

Very hypocritical.

 

[Thabass]

No, I think what they're saying is why you're seemingly taking umbrage with something like this and not something like GTA V, where you can kill innocent people pleading for their lives.

Which begs the question: How did you (or people within this conversation) feel about killing innocent people in the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 mission: No Russian?

 

[Cheeseman Battitude]

IBTL.

 

[Sub_Level]

Add Mila already!

 

[Deadpool_X]

No, I think what they're saying is why you're seemingly taking umbrage with something like this and not something like GTA V, where you can kill innocent people pleading for their lives.

I'm not ok with a VR version of GTA either. I think there is less of a barrier between real world and VR than there is when you are just sitting in your room, 6-10 feet from the tv with a controller in your hand.

 

[Astral/H3X]

So if the digital character is ok with being groped, we are good right? lol

Sure, if the person existed in real life.

It's a videogame (that has been already done in a lot of videogames on Vita mind you) just because now we have it in first person mode people decide to be against it?

Very hypocritical.

Erm, I suppose I missed the context of your post. I thought your comment was one of "This is bad, it's always bad, and you expect me to think it'd be better if she was consenting".

Personally it's against my tastes, but I don't think that the game is problematic for it.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I'm not ok with a VR version of GTA either. I think there is less of a barrier between real world and VR than there is when you are just sitting in your room, 6-10 feet from the tv with a controller in your hand.

I think people made the same comments when we went from 2D to 3D. Or from pixel graphics to what we have now.

 

[YianGaruga]

So, you're saying that you want an experience where you get to sexually molest someone who is very clearly asking you not to, telling you to stop, etc?

I already did this dozens of times in Senran Kagura games

I also killed civilians in GTA games

These are both on the same level to me. It's just weird stuff that you can do in a videogame that you cant (and to make it clear: absolutely SHOULD NOT) do in real life

which to me, is the entire point

 

[Chille]

and this is why I have preordered PSVR, I cant wait for this.

 

[NOOI]

I'm normally someone who is very much "lol Japan" with these things but this crosses a big line. It's pretty much digital sexual assault.

I actually prefer that the characters respond negatively to being touched. The REAL sleazeball games tend to have the females enjoying being fondled instead. The only reason the characters were so annoyed is that DOA is only meant to be cheesecake and has a line they can't cross on Console, and that means the girls had to behave negatively. If they didn't mind being touched then you probably would have tolerated it more, but it would also likely anger Japanese censors.

 

[FluxWaveZ]

I'm not ok with a VR version of GTA either. I think there is less of a barrier between real world and VR than there is when you are just sitting in your room, 6-10 feet from the tv with a controller in your hand.

Then you would be fine with non-consensual groping in this game or others if it was removed from the context of virtual reality?

 

[GorillaJu]

Yeah I don't think it makes you a molester irl or that there's anything really morally repugnant about it, but it's awkward as hell and not the kind of thing I'm interested in.

 

[Ferr986]

For the west, they should replace the silver toy with a gun and you can shoot her in the head and watch her die (against her will even)

that seems to be more acceptable than jiggling breasts

Can we stop this west vs east shit? I hate being labeled like this.

People in the west will like violent stuff, other sexy stuff, other neither. Just like everywhere, even Japan. The west is not a hivemind.

 

[M3d10n]

Which begs the question: How did you (or people within this conversation) feel about killing innocent people in the Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 mission: No Russian?

Shocked and disturbed, which was the whole point behind it.

How will you feel groping a virtual girl while she begs you to stop doing it?

 

[YianGaruga]

Can we stop this west vs east shit? I hate being labeled like this.

People in the west will like violent stuff, other sexy stuff, other neither. Just like everywhere, even Japan. The west is not a hivemind.

I wasn't sure how to put this, but if you look at the markets, the games that are being released and the type of content that gets cut from games, it is correct.

I'm not labeling literally every person who lives in those regions

 

[Sangetsu-II]

Erm, I suppose I missed the context of your post. I thought your comment was one of "This is bad, it's always bad, and you expect me to think it'd be better if she was consenting".

Personally it's against my tastes, but I don't think that the game is problematic for it.

I supposed it was the "lol" that threw you off. Sorry about that.

I don't think anything related to videogames is bad,

Videogames have always been meant to be a barrier to let go of the real life and do things you could never do before be killing or any type of genre. The main point is there have been games where you grope characters before and no one complained before because it was a videogame. Now that it's technically the person in the videogame we complain?

I agree if you used this software to train yourself to be a molester in real life that would be horrible and should be dealt with the proper authority.

But for now this isn't the case and it's a game to make you laugh or enjoy from the stresses of real life. Same as every other game out there.

 

[daveo42]

Can't we all agree that both are pretty deplorable and overly gratuitous?

 

[Suzushiiro]

So what you're saying is that you'd rather allow a literal virtual molestation simulator (an experience where you can molest a very clearly unwilling participant) to exist because no one has done a scientific study to see the correlation between mentally unstable people and the influences on their life in a real world capacity to molest someone? Wow, I guess I'd just rather be proactive than reactive when it comes to a person being victimized.

So you're saying you'd rather deprive people of the right to play and make the games they want because you believe that a tiny minority of people will be motivated to assault real-life people upon being exposed to them, with no real evidence that it's a thing that actually happens?

Shit, even if you were right, the idea that we should sanitize our media to prevent it from influencing a tiny minority of people with serious mental issues rather than identifying those people and getting them help is fucking ridiculous regardless.

 

[jediyoshi]

What's your point? This whataboutism doesn't change anything.

What's your point? Do you just choose not to reconcile mainstream acceptance of violence versus your preferences or does your dissonance stop there?

 

[Jonbo298]

Geez Louise...really? This was really needed? That video was so pervy that I couldn't watch all of it. Games like this where you can interact in such a way don't help the situation. These types of experiences are what make unbalanced people think it's perfectly ok to grope people in public, like we've seen so recently at Evo and other gaming conventions. This type of game is not needed in this world, I'm sorry.

 

[Peltz]

I said nothing about it "turning people into sex criminals". I said that it could give unbanalanced people the idea that what they are doing in game is acceptable in the real world as well. Almost everyone can distinguish the line between game and reality, but for those few who can't, playing a game like this could desensitize them to the point where they feel it's an acceptable thing in the gaming fandom to do. The fact that the character is protesting vehemently and the player can still continue only strengthens the idea in their mind that it's no big deal. Sick, demented people are constantly looking for inspiration to tell them that their screwed up minds and thought processes are valid...

Grand Theft Auto has far worse stuff in it and the world has pretty much accepted it as "just a videogame." If you find the content objectionable or tasteless, then feel free to criticize it as I do.

But if you think it's going to desensitize people to act a certain violent or sexual way, well chances are, those particular people are already predisposed to such behavior in the first place, and a videogame is not going to be a primary influence to trigger their behavior.... And even if it is a contributing factor, such contribution is not a large enough reason to outweigh the justification that the vast majority people can enjoy this product responsibly without bringing harm to others.

Personally, I find this type of software to be offensive and gross, but for aesthetic, moral, and critical reasons. Not because it poses any real or substantial danger to women that can truly de-merit its existence.