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[Daante]

I feel streaming is where the future lies.

I have no need having lots of material and physical things anymore. That include blu ray movies. This is coming from someone who prime time dvd era had a physical colletion of over 300 movies.

I have seen rips of blue rays in mkv format, where they basically cut down the bitrate and size to half (or even less), and i dont think the difference from a well made "encode" such as that compared to a full physical blu ray is that big of a leap.

I have also seen streamed 4k rips of 4k ultra blu rays and that seemed great.

Compression, algorithms and better infrastructure/penetration in fast broadband access will only grow the coming years, so i would be very surprised if not high quality streaming quality (read blu ray competetive) will become standard.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

And this after 10 years of BD. Pretty clear why Sony won't include UHD in PS4 Pro. It's dead and unnecessary

22 million sold units is a pretty funny definition of dead.

 

[andythinkpad]

I had 6 bluray disc that came with PS3 for free. A coworker borrowed them.

I don't own any BR disc since them. NAS everything.

 

[neorej]

I feel streaming is where the future lies.

I have no need having lots of material and physical things anymore. That include blu ray movies. This is coming from someone who prime time dvd era had a physical colletion of over 300 movies.

I have seen rips of blue rays in mkv format, where they basically cut down the bitrate and size to half (or even less), and i dont think the difference from a well made "encode" such as that compared to a full physical blu ray is that big of a leap.

I have also seen streamed 4k rips of 4k ultra blu rays and that seemed great.

Compression, algorithms and better infrastructure/penetration in fast broadband access will only grow the coming years, so i would be very surprised if not high quality streaming quality (read blu ray competetive) will become standard.

Right now, the compression on services like Netflix put 4k streams on a lower bitrate than 1080p Blu-ray. That comes at a cost, a very visible one as well. You can't compress an image to hell and back and say "hey it looks just as good.". Maybe once we master middle out compression will we be able to make a lossless stream, but until that day physical media will offer a crispness and clarity that no streaming service can offer right now, especially in the 4k titles.

 

[Switzer]

Right now, the compression on services like Netflix put 4k streams on a lower bitrate than 1080p Blu-ray. That comes at a cost, a very visible one as well. You can't compress an image to hell and back and say "hey it looks just as good.". Maybe once we master middle out compression will we be able to make a lossless stream, but until that day physical media will offer a crispness and clarity that no streaming service can offer right now, especially in the 4k titles.

Plus by the time we get 4k stream bitrates to comparable quality to disc bitrates, we will all probably be moving on to 6K, 8k, wide-gamut, high-bitdepth, HFR. HDR, or some other new format.

 

[Shadowheart]

I love the idea of larger discs. BD blue me away of being able to have 4 layers. I imagined how many DVDs and CDs it will replace. The problem is BD never took off as storage. A decade later and I don't know of single soul that has a writing BD drive. No one other than happening to have one with a PS3/4 had a dedicated player. When I was transferring the family VHS tapes to digital, no one used BD and not everyone even had a DVD player. Everyone seemed to jump to streaming and digital file sharing (using the almighty USB stick).

But maybe enterprise will keep developing it because they NEED cheap reliable storage and most of that today is analogue.


The ball is in the connection companies' court: we need serious upgrade to net speeds, cloud storage, and file sharing sizes. Heck, I get texts on my phone today asking me to pay X amount to get '2 weeks of free Facebook usage!'. FUCK YOU.

Let alone 4G wireless roaming for phones is practically non-existent for most of the countries that can actually support it. Communication companies need to be shaken up.

 

[Joelstinton14]

I'm quite an avid collector of blu rays and films in general, i must about 200- 300 dvd/blu ray. But as with music and games, i'm starting to question more and more why i have all thesee physical objects. I kind of fluctuate between the advantages of both.

But to be honest i can see why sony have decided to drop the UHD player from their machine.

I posted this in the PS4pro has no UHD drive thread on the GG section:

I just been looking at the stats of blu ray sales in the UK. There is only sales data till up to 2014, but i was honestly surprised how low the sales were, i kind of had it in my head sales were equal.

From the AVForums

Number of discs sold in the UK, by format and year

DVD
1998 0.2m
1999 4.0m
2000 16.6m
2001 41.3m
2002 89.9m
2003 145.0m
2004 196.5m
2005 211.2m
2006 227.0m
2007 248.1m
2008 252.9m
2009 234.6m
2010 210.1m
2011 191.8m
2012 162.0m
2013 143.4m
2014 124.9m

Blu-ray
2007 0.8m
2008 3.7m
2009 8.4m
2010 13.0m
2011 15.3m
2012 16.7m
2013 18.8m
2014 17.3m


I was quite shocked to see that DVDs were still outselling Blu Rays almost 6.5/1.

The combined sales of blu rays and dvds dropped significantly the next year too according to a chart i can't seem to post unfortunately. It dropped to 119 m Combined sales.

So this is just not a physical vs digital issue, it seems in general, people don't care about quality or premium experiences. A shame really. But that how it is.

I think UHD and Blu rays will have a space to exist though, the enthusiast market is pretty strong still and i think that will keep physical media alive for a while. There is a good article on flavour wire about it.

 

[The Chosen One]

I prefer physical media and I have a decent blu-ray collection (maybe around 30-50 movies?). Doesn't compare to my DVD collection, which is over several hundred.

While I prefer physical media, I don't think i've bought a blu-ray movie since last Black Friday. I would buy a lot more, but the movies are just too expensive. So now I wait until it's available on HBO/Starz or something, and then if I really like it, I'll buy it. Because physical media hasn't gotten so expensive, the threshold that I choose to buy blu-rays is much higher than it used to be. Before I would buy a DVD at Best Buy or somewhere for $9-15, which is still cheaper than going to the movies. But now most movies I'm interested cost anywhere from $25-40.

For awhile, I was just buying TV shows on blu-ray, but between Netflix, Amazon Prime,and On-Demand, I can watch just about all the TV shows I'm interested in. That said, I do enjoy listening to various audio commentary, which currently streaming services still don't offer.

 

[Joni]

So this is just not a physical vs digital issue, it seems in general, people don't care about quality or premium experiences. A shame really. But that how it is.

It is also important to question if Blu-Ray justifies that premium for so many shows and movies. I have about 2500 DVDs and like 100 Blu-Ray. In most cases, it just doesn't feel worth to pay extra for the Blu-Ray especially when outside of the image Blu-Ray still feels like the inferior experience, thanks to stuff like 'pausing' not working consistent on Blu-Ray. If I turn off my PS3 I can restart a DVD exactly from where I left off. For Blu-Ray it depends on the studio, which means that for shows DVD is the better medium for watching.

 

[captive]

22 million sold units is a pretty funny definition of dead.

Seriously. I'm curious if any of these stats people are including cover the bluray/DVD combo packs. You can't hardly buy a Disney movie without it including the DVD. Do these count towards Blu-ray? DVD? Both? Neither?

 

[gatti-man]

I feel streaming is where the future lies.

I have no need having lots of material and physical things anymore. That include blu ray movies. This is coming from someone who prime time dvd era had a physical colletion of over 300 movies.

I have seen rips of blue rays in mkv format, where they basically cut down the bitrate and size to half (or even less), and i dont think the difference from a well made "encode" such as that compared to a full physical blu ray is that big of a leap.

I have also seen streamed 4k rips of 4k ultra blu rays and that seemed great.

Compression, algorithms and better infrastructure/penetration in fast broadband access will only grow the coming years, so i would be very surprised if not high quality streaming quality (read blu ray competetive) will become standard.

Blu Ray competitive sure. 4K competitive? Absolutely not. Like I've said before currently it's 30gb an hour to get a 4K stream that's around bluray quality. You can only compress things so much and the audio will always be shot to shit on streaming there is zero you can do about that.

By the time they have even semi improved things for 4K streaming we will be having 8k physical media. The increasing resolutions of content will make streaming that content almost impossible with comparative quality without a fiber connection.

As for the difference i will agree on a small tv (sub 60") streaming vs bluray or 4K might seem similar (except for the audio) but on a larger tv streaming starts to look like crap pretty quickly. I find non 4K Netflix to be unwatchable on my 75" and 4K Netflix is ok. 4K bluray physical still to this day drops my jaw and I've had it since launch. UHD is for enthusiasts I get that but there are real differences streamers are missing out on if you care about quality and actually experiencing the movie the way the director intended.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

UHD is for enthusiasts I get that but there are real differences streamers are missing out on if you care about quality and actually experiencing the movie the way the director intended.

But only enthusiasts care about those things, so the qualifier is redundant.

Most people just want to consume entertainment disposably and aren't in it for the art of it.

I was never a real audio/videophile but I used to care about that stuff somewhat. I really don't give a shit anymore. My two 55"1080p TVs are good enough. My cheap 5.1 set up in the main tv room and soundbar in the mancave are good enough. Blurays are good enough. Netflix and Amazon HD streams are good enough.

It's just super diminishing returns at this point for someone like me who's not an a/v enthusiast and just consuming movies, tv, shows, sports and games for their entertainment value with little interest in the visual and audio art aspects of them. Sports, and some games aside, I'm there for the stories. Not the cinematography, sound design, graphics etc. Even that we're working on cutting back as we spend too much time in front of screens.

The 4K jump is much more limited in appeal than the HDTV revolution as it really only caters to the videophile crowd. The resolution bump isn't as noticeable, especially in the screen sizes and viewing distances/conditions non-videophiles have. And it doesn't have the extra appeal of moving to 16x9, offering bigger screens that weighed much less and took up way less space than big CRTs etc.

 

[TAJ]

Fry's has the most floor space dedicated to movies on disc of any chain around here and they have several times more rows of DVD than they do Blu-ray in all of their stores I've been in.

Seriously. I'm curious if any of these stats people are including cover the bluray/DVD combo packs. You can't hardly buy a Disney movie without it including the DVD. Do these count towards Blu-ray? DVD? Both? Neither?

Those only count as Blu-ray sales.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

60% of all movies I buy on physical media have zero chanche to come to Netflix, so I see no point in goung all digital.

 

[AstroNut325]

I'm slowly going more digital. There is a not-so-insignificant environmental impact in manufacturing, transporting, and final distribution of physical entertainment media.

I've become much more environmentally conscious over the past few years. So I'm I'm going to buy less physical media moving forward.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I'm slowly going more digital. There is a not-so-insignificant environmental impact in manufacturing, transporting, and final distribution of physical entertainment media.

I've become much more environmentally conscious over the past few years. So I'm I'm going to buy less physical media moving forward.

Its not like the Netflix or iTunes servers run with love and air.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Its not like the Netflix or iTunes servers run with love and air.

Prove it!

 

[AstroNut325]

Its not like the Netflix or iTunes servers run with love and air.

They're on the road to 100% renewable energy sources:
http://fortune.com/2015/05/27/netflix-clean-energy/

And Apple is ahead of the game:
http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/c...rgy-across-all-data-centers/74708.fullarticle

 

[Walter White Walker]

I can't even tell you the last time I turned our Blu-Ray player on. Maybe once in the last few years? We stream pretty much everything.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

They're on the road to 100% renewable energy sources:
http://fortune.com/2015/05/27/netflix-clean-energy/

And Apple is ahead of the game:
http://www.datacenterdynamics.com/c...rgy-across-all-data-centers/74708.fullarticle

And then comes the electricity and your own internet connection and thousand other sources that make the difference even smaller

 

[AstroNut325]

And then comes the electricity and your own internet connection and thousand other sources that make the difference even smaller

Electricity in most developed countries is moving towards 100% renewables. Even China and India have invested heavily into renewable energy sources.

Heck, even the US Telco companies are going renewable:
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...power-leader-in-the-u-s-telecom-industry.html

And residential solar is growing fast:
http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-market-insight-report-2016-q2

I'll have solar panels on my roof I'm a year or two.

There is simply no denying that digital is much more environmentally friendly. Especially in the long run.

 

[TAJ]

Electricity in most developed countries is moving towards 100% renewables. Even China and India have invested heavily into renewable energy sources.

Heck, even the US Telco companies are going renewable:
http://www.computerworld.com/articl...power-leader-in-the-u-s-telecom-industry.html

And residential solar is growing fast:
http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-market-insight-report-2016-q2

I'll have solar panels on my roof I'm a year or two.

There is simply no denying that digital is much more environmentally friendly. Especially in the long run.

What happened in Nevada could happen in another state any time and instantly kill residential solar business.

 

[Bleepey]

I have a PS3 with a broken disc drive which I use to stream Netflix. I am actually considering getting a blu ray player solely cos movie studios want to ensure the only time they release special features in a movie I like, it's confined to just the blu Ray. I'd probably still buy 1-3 a year.

 

[BumRush]

It's definitely dying.

But man, there's absolutely nothing like a UHD blu-ray on an oled...

 

[QuantumZebra]

I have a 100+ disc bluray collection, but I have uploaded 90% of it to Vudu (awesome service).

Physical media beyond flash drives = dead

 

[mollipen]

I really don't like having a shelf full of physical things at this point, but I also don't like the idea that one button push and a movie or song could be erased from existence if that's what a company wants once we're relying on digital-only services.

As long as there's a disc or a file I can have in my hand for the things I really care about, then I love also having other options to use for those times I don't need that. But as soon as those tangible options go away, we're in serious trouble when it comes to the history of entertainment and the preservation of it.

 

[PastorOfMuppets]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but one thing that really hindered the adoption rate of Blu Ray is how inconvenient they are. Not just vs streaming but vs DVD.

My freshmen year in college, I took all my DVDs with me so I'd have something to watch on my laptop during my downtime. DVDs worked out of the box on most computers. You'd just pop in the disc and it would autoplay. I had a working DVD player in my computer long before I had a dedicated DVD player.

You can't do that with Blu Ray unless you pay for (or torrent) a software suite. All of a sudden, all those college kids and have even less of a reason to buy blu ray players. You've just lost an entire generation to Netflix.

This is the same reason why despite being a data standard for years that computers have not adapted blu ray either. The movie studios got so paranoid with DRM that they killed an entire segment of the market and pretty much just gave it away to Netflix. I know buying physical PC software isn't as widespread as it used to be but think about all those software suites people and companies buy on disc still. They come on DVDs - not BD-ROMs.

The other thing people need to realize is that not everything needs to be in 4K to be enjoyed. It's a marginal improvement for a lot of people who aren't videophiles. If you enjoy watching Seinfeld in 1080p, how much better is it gonna be in 4K? It's not like the show was ever known for amazing special effects and great cinematography.

 

[killertofu]

I've been ripping my blurays into my computer to use for Plex and I've had to rename the files depending on how it is when its played on a bluray player.

Man, I really really miss special features. I think that's what got me to go into the industry.


But fuck these loading times, fuck the internet capabilities that just slow down the player, fuck the FBI warnings.

Too damn annoying.

 

[Marty Chinn]

I think UHD will stick around simply because the enthusiast market will keep it alive and that's good. Personally, I feel once I've hit that 4K mark, I'm good. 4K is really starting to approach being as good as a 35mm film print for older movies and a lot of current movies are only being filmed in 4K with visual effects being done at 2K. A lot of remastering is being done at 4K for archival purposes. So for me, 4K seems to hit that boundry where it's probably good enough given the state of the last 100 years of cinema. I'm sure I'll change my mind down the road, but right now it feels like if this is the last physical format, it's at least at a quality that's good enough.

Personally, as someone who just simply loves movies, I'm still buying Blu rays. I've even started buying a couple UHDs since they come with Blu rays and I know eventually I'll be able to play the 4K version. So why not start building that collection now when I was going to get the Blu ray anyway? I can already see the fruits of building my movie collection paying off with my kids as they're going through all the Disney, Pixar and other family oriented movies. I just know as they grow older, they're going to see many of the movies in my library, especially the classics as I share it with them.

As time goes by, I keep upping the game with how much I invest into my setup too with a longer term plan of having an eventual dedicated theater setup which is when the library will truly shine, especially with UHDs. I can already see now that I'm experimenting with projectors how 1080p Netflix absolutely doesn't cut it compared to a Blu ray. DVDs projected are just terrible too. The dedicated theater will also bring new life into going through my library, especially when there are some movies where I never got to see them on a big screen. Watching Aliens just a few weeks ago was almost like watching it for the first time on a projector.

So ya, I'm still invested in physical media purely for the sake of ownership and quality alone. Having the long term plan of having a really really nice setup as the end game will pay off with the investment I'm doing already into physical movies.

I prefer digital these days. Which I hocking given my fierce defense of physical media over the years.

But I prefer having my movie collection with me wherever I go. With bluray my only option to watch it is at home in the living room. What if I want to watch that movie in the bedroom? Outside on the deck? In the bathroom? In the train?

I like having the option to watch via phone, tablet, laptop, tv. That to me kills the need for physical media.

I'm able to watch my large Blu ray collection in the family room, in the bedroom, in the bathroom, outside with a projector, etc all without touching the disc but still having full access to all my movies in full quality that blows away any streaming. My house is networked to distribute my collection to anywhere I want. That to me can only be done with physical media.

 

[MulderYuffie]

I expect physical for a little while yet I don't see as much need for movies as Tv Shows at least but hey whatevs.

 

[Emerson]

Are there people out there actually ripping and storing lossless BluRay movies digitally? Seen a few people suggest that in here. At roughly 25GB a piece between the storage cost, time and effort spent ripping, I'm not seeing a good reason to do that compared to the simplicity of putting a disc in a player, when you have to buy the disc either way.

 

[Marty Chinn]

Are there people out there actually ripping and storing lossless BluRay movies digitally? Seen a few people suggest that in here. At roughly 25GB a piece between the storage cost, time and effort spent ripping, I'm not seeing a good reason to do that compared to the simplicity of putting a disc in a player, when you have to buy the disc either way.

Yep, I'm doing that. The time and effort is extremely minimal. It literally takes seconds of my attention to deal with. I pop in the disc, check off the movie, audio streams and subtitles, and I hit go. It's stupidly simple and fast. As to why do it? Instant access to my entire movie library distributed throughout the house with the ability to start a movie in one place and continue in another at full quality and sound and without any of the warnings, trailers, and other stuff in the way.

 

[sfedai0]

Physical media wont be going away for a long time. First, not everything will be available for streaming. Second, until they solve the issue of bitrate vs bandwidth issue, all those with 4k, or 8k and whatever lies in the future will never be able to fully utilize their sets. Lastly, there will always be a market for the best visual fidelity format possible. Maybe that will be streaming, but not in the near future.

 

[Megabat]

I think 4K Blu-ray is probably the final physical film format. Lack of interest is certainly a factor, but reasonable home video quality has (in my opinion, based largely on specifications as I don't own a 4K TV) hit a ceiling. 3840x2160 resolution video that (almost?) saturates the DCI-P3 gamut is far more than anyone needs. Blu-ray solved every problem with DVD quality. I'm sure 4K is lovely, but Blu-ray transfers still astound me.

I stream maybe four times more movies than I buy on DVD/Blu-ray. It's relatively cheap, and pretty much rules most of the time. But the attention that goes into physical distribution will - I'm convinced - never make it to streaming services. Most films on Netflix and Amazon Prime are cropped from 2.35:1, 1.85:1, and even 1.33:1 aspect ratios to fit 16:9 televisions. Thhat definitely messes stuff up! Only Criterion Collection films on Hulu are consistently technically correct.

 

[n0razi]

I honestly don't think UHD Bluray has a future. Its like laserdisc... a superior format but can't compete with more accessible technology like streaming.

 

[neorej]

I think 4K Blu-ray is probably the final physical film format. Lack of interest is certainly a factor, but reasonable home video quality has (in my opinion, based largely on specifications as I don't own a 4K TV) hit a ceiling. 3840x2160 resolution video that (almost?) saturates the DCI-P3 gamut is far more than anyone needs. Blu-ray solved every problem with DVD quality. I'm sure 4K is lovely, but Blu-ray transfers still astound me.

I stream maybe four times more movies than I buy on DVD/Blu-ray. It's relatively cheap, and pretty much rules most of the time. But the attention that goes into physical distribution will - I'm convinced - never make it to streaming services. Most films on Netflix and Amazon Prime are cropped from 2.35:1, 1.85:1, and even 1.33:1 aspect ratios to fit 16:9 televisions. Thhat definitely messes stuff up! Only Criterion Collection films on Hulu are consistently technically correct.

It's not so much 4k, but HDR that is what it's all about in these new TVs. Seriously, watch any nature documentary on HDR, and you're convinced.

 

[Pyramid head]

I have one blu ray. It was bought for me. It's a waste of space.

I have some Tim Burton Batman collection which someone palmed off on me one christmas, I don't own a Bluray player so it's still shrink-wrapped. In fact, I've never watched a single thing on Bluray to this day. I wonder if the medium will die alltogether before I ever do?

Fake edit: I do have a PS3 laying around somewhere but I've only ever used it to play Demon's Souls.

 

[Undead Fantasy]

I hope not since I have never bought a movie digitally and never will.

 

[120v]

i don't even know when it happened but at some point i unconsciously stopped buying blu rays. probably whenever i got amazon prime

funny because i never really thought about it until the whole ps4 pro kerfuffle over UHD blu ray

stuff like redbox should keep physical around but when stream rentals go down the market will be pretty damn niche

 

[Wollan]

What's the boot-up time of UHDs? Are they still filling these up with previews?
Netflix instant-streaming is very convenient.

 

[KAP151]

Heavily invested in DVD and got rid of most of them at a pretty huge loss. Burnt big time.

Only own a dozen or so movies, plus a few TV box sets on BR. Great format, but wasnt going down that route again.

 

[A Fish Aficionado]

I only buy blu-rays of movies I love and are of note. Inception, Children of Men, Grand Budapest hotel etc.

I really wish the infrastructure problems would outpace the capabilities of streaming. It's not progress until it hits the everyman. Seems like 4K is more of a middle ground than an actual leap as was VHS to DVD to Blu-Ray.

It looks great, but marginally. And not enough at this current price point of products and services.

 

[vwnut13]

As long as Digital "HD" costs more than buying the BluRay/DVD combo pack...

 

[Joelstinton14]

Physical media wont be going away for a long time. First, not everything will be available for streaming. Second, until they solve the issue of bitrate vs bandwidth issue, all those with 4k, or 8k and whatever lies in the future will never be able to fully utilize their sets. Lastly, there will always be a market for the best visual fidelity format possible. Maybe that will be streaming, but not in the near future.

Thing is not everything will be on UHD/Blu ray either. According to an article i was reading the other night, 40-45% of films didn't even make the jump from VHS to DVD. DVD to Blu ray is a lot worse too.

But i agree, there will be always a market for visual fidelity and collectors. But i'm wondering whether UHD will even get off the ground and publishers will even contemplate putting discs out there. We will get a few from each to test the waters, but i'm not convinced it will take off. It be interesting to know how many copies have to be sold to recoup costs.

There is a good article here on all this: The Premature death of physical media

 

[Joelstinton14]

As long as Digital "HD" costs more than buying the BluRay/DVD combo pack...

On amazon, all digital (Well most) titles are cheaper than their blu ray counterparts.

 

[GeoNeo]

Worst thing about most media/console players for streaming Netflix etc is lack of 24p output so I can't enjoy 3:3 mode on my Kuro.

 

[Timeless]

Worst thing about most media/console players for streaming Netflix etc is lack of 24p output so I can't enjoy 3:3 mode on my Kuro.

Fucking really? For compression reasons alone I would've figured Netflix and the other streaming sites (except Amazon, which sucks) would be able to stream 24p.

24 fps video for 24 fps film is one of the most important things to have when watching movies, IMO.

 

[gatti-man]

But only enthusiasts care about those things, so the qualifier is redundant.

Most people just want to consume entertainment disposably and aren't in it for the art of it.

I was never a real audio/videophile but I used to care about that stuff somewhat. I really don't give a shit anymore. My two 55"1080p TVs are good enough. My cheap 5.1 set up in the main tv room and soundbar in the mancave are good enough. Blurays are good enough. Netflix and Amazon HD streams are good enough.

It's just super diminishing returns at this point for someone like me who's not an a/v enthusiast and just consuming movies, tv, shows, sports and games for their entertainment value with little interest in the visual and audio art aspects of them. Sports, and some games aside, I'm there for the stories. Not the cinematography, sound design, graphics etc. Even that we're working on cutting back as we spend too much time in front of screens.

The 4K jump is much more limited in appeal than the HDTV revolution as it really only caters to the videophile crowd. The resolution bump isn't as noticeable, especially in the screen sizes and viewing distances/conditions non-videophiles have. And it doesn't have the extra appeal of moving to 16x9, offering bigger screens that weighed much less and took up way less space than big CRTs etc.

The difference between streaming and 4K is huge not super diminishing returns. There are also millions of people buying blu rays. The problem is people like you think because something is selling less than its amazingly successful past it's going to disappear. This is simply not true. If a product is selling millions a year it's not going to die out. You know how many dumb streaming is the future threads I've read the past 4 years? And guess what there is already another standard past 4K coming.

 

[WickedCobra03]

I still buy blu-rays... Maybe like 1 every 3-6 months. But a lot of times, they are for movies like Bullitt, Drive, Cabin in the woods, Bond movies, ect. Like movies that I am a huge fan of and am going to watch over again

 

[Moreche]

I used to think streaming was the future but after buying about fifteen films from iTunes and watching them on my Apple TV4, I'm now back to Blu-Ray.
I understand why people can love the ease of use and convenient way to view their movies but personally I can see a difference.
For me streaming just isn't good enough.