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No Mafia III Review Copies Ahead of Launch

styl3s

Member
Did you do in store pickup or have it delivered? I have a copy on pre-order at BB and was wondering if I should try swinging by the store.
Had to be delivery since Best Buys computers wont allow employees to sell anything before release date it will give them an error and tell them "Cannot be sold before X date" won't even let you go through the check out process. Even managers can't override it i remember fondly of customers getting pissed at me because i couldn't sell them something that wasn't supposed to be out on the floor.
 

ViciousDS

Banned
Best Buy? Got my PS4 copy today too.

Played it for a couple hours and so far it's fine. I don't see why review copies weren't given out. No technical problems and I like the story so far. Wish guns packed more of a punch though.

ffffffuuuuuuu



should have ordered to ship instead of in store pickup....damn it
 

Ragarra

Member
Had to be delivery since Best Buys computers wont allow employees to sell anything before release date it will give them an error and tell them "Cannot be sold before X date" won't even let you go through the check out process. Even managers can't override it i remember fondly of customers getting pissed at me because i couldn't sell them something that wasn't supposed to be out on the floor.

Ah dang, well good to know either way saves me a trip.
 

SJRB

Gold Member
Actually getting kind of excited for this one. It's been a while since I've played a new open world game.
 
Best Buy? Got my PS4 copy today too.

Played it for a couple hours and so far it's fine. I don't see why review copies weren't given out. No technical problems and I like the story so far. Wish guns packed more of a punch though.

Lucky!

I went digital, so nothing early for me :-(
 
How are the side missions ? Are they repetitive and pointless or they're fine ?
Didn't get to any yet. Only completed the first couple story missions. Can't really play more until my son goes to bed (he just got back from school), since the game isn't really child appropriate lol.
Did you do in store pickup or have it delivered? I have a copy on pre-order at BB and was wondering if I should try swinging by the store.
Delivery.
I really need to order form Best Buy more but I use store pick up with them since I don't trust their shipping to get it to me let alone early. Damn, I might have had it today.
This is the second time this has happened in the last couple weeks. I got XCOM 2 a few days early as well.
 

Grimsen

Member
They paid for his trip and put him up in New Orleans.

His opinion is now meaningless.

Edit: They also took them on a tour... wtf? How can anyone trust these people?

Y'know, I'd watch his extensive review of his promotional trip to New Orleans.

Hi preview though? not so much.
 
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Deleted member 325805

Unconfirmed Member
Is the review objective or as biased as I expect? I can't really trust his opinion at all.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Always the same shit with steam :(

It is frustrating as publishers actually have complete control over unlock times and, as a result, can even release games on weekends these days (something Valve disallowed back when it was the one changing the release state of apps). There's literally no excuse for it.
 
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Deleted member 325805

Unconfirmed Member
I just watched the full review, he's a complete shill, his "review" is just 17 minutes of him going over how great the game is without a single criticism (well, apart from pop in which he was quick to play off as part of the genre). I thank him for the footage but his opinion cannot be trusted.
 

Budi

Member
They paid for his trip and put him up in New Orleans.

His opinion is now meaningless.

Edit: They also took them on a tour... wtf? How can anyone trust these people?

This isn't uncommon and it's been happening for atleast over 20 years. And this happens with so called professional gaming media too, not just youtubers. I've read many articles about trips like these on a local gaming magazine. Ofcourse some people can be affected by this in their review. But it shouldn't automatically invalidate all the reviews. Would you review game differently just because you got to drive a tank in Wargamings event? Also the channel was upfront about it and didn't try to hide it.

Personally I have very little faith in youtubers without a background in traditional gaming media, even without the trips.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
His objectivity becomes very questionable.
That's why I said his opinion is now meaningless. :)
The vast majority of previews are done this way, that includes gaming websites, human beings aren't objective. I would recommend listening to the things he's saying about the game instead of questioning his "integrity" or "objectiveness."
 

styl3s

Member
They paid for his trip and put him up in New Orleans.

His opinion is now meaningless.

Edit: They also took them on a tour... wtf? How can anyone trust these people?
I trust them because i am one of those people who gets flown out to events, put up in nice hotels and get stuff for free to review and not once have i ever felt the need to pad or give good reviews because of that nor has any of my friends who are in the same business. If Jeff Gerstmann who was fired for giving an honest opinion corrupt because he gets review copies? Goes to events? Is everyone who works at every single gaming outlet?

Believe it not some people actually have integrity.
 

Karu

Member
I trust them because i am one of those people who gets flown out to events, put up in nice hotels and get stuff for free to review and not once have i ever felt the need to pad or give good reviews because of that nor has any of my friends who are in the same business.

Believe it not some people actually have integrity.
Not that we could check that tho
 

Foffy

Banned
They paid for his trip and put him up in New Orleans.

His opinion is now meaningless.

Edit: They also took them on a tour... wtf? How can anyone trust these people?

"I am impartial!"

"By the way, I probably wouldn't ever have done such a trip by myself, but it will likely not impact my views."
 

finalflame

Member
As long as the impressions from the GAFfers who get it early isn't trash and PC performance holds up, this is day 1 for me.
 

joms5

Member
This isn't uncommon and it's been happening for atleast over 20 years. And this happens with so called professional gaming media too, not just youtubers.Personally I have very little faith in youtubers without a background in traditional gaming media, even without the trips.

I totally understand it's been happening for years. But there have been a lot of outlets that pull back from this sort of coverage and either ask for a copy to be sent out or just don't attend the event.

The vast majority of previews are done this way, that includes gaming websites, human beings aren't objective. I would recommend listening to the things he's saying about the game instead of questioning his "integrity" or "objectiveness."

Read above. He could have either asked them to send a copy out or waited and reviewed it while not in a fabricated environment. Some of you think that these people are simply buying good review scores (which I hope doesn't happen) which is not always the case. But it's the psychology behind these events.

I trust them because i am one of those people who gets flown out to events, put up in nice hotels and get stuff for free to review and not once have i ever felt the need to pad or give good reviews because of that nor has any of my friends who are in the same business. If Jeff Gerstmann who was fired for giving an honest opinion corrupt because he gets review copies? Goes to events? Is everyone who works at every single gaming outlet?

Believe it not some people actually have integrity.

If you follow Jeff Gerstmann you'll notice that on almost every occasion he declines review "events" or all the extras that go along with them. He's even spoken out about the dumb shit they do like driving a car around a track for Forza launches and whatnot. And don't get me wrong, when big outlets get flown out for events I also disregard their opinion. Don't take it personally. I'm sure that there are many reviews who attend these things with the utmost integrity. But then ask yourself why these companies do them? You know why they do them. We all do.

It's just as easy to send out a review copy then to fly these people to an event which costs them thousands of dollars. They're not dumb. They aren't going to spend that money if they didn't feel the need to.

Edit: One last thing. I totally get this is the cost of doing business. If you want early or on time coverage you're going to have to walk the line a bit. But if that's the case, don't be offended when people call into question what you have to say.
 
The vast majority of previews are done this way, that includes gaming websites, human beings aren't objective. I would recommend listening to the things he's saying about the game instead of questioning his "integrity" or "objectiveness."
Yeah, and it sounds like he's saying very little in the way of critique. I'm not sure what your point is about "bu-bu-but other games do it too!" So? There's a reason why I have continually preached about previews being worthless hype machines.

I don't think anyone is under the guise of pure objectivity, but come on. Paid trips like this are getting a bit too close for comfort. Game publishers have admitted before that these things are all a long-con designed to wine, dine and skew reviewer's minds.

Reviews only have an impact if they're 90+, and then the impact is huge.

We don't take steps to get good reviews, we take steps to make good games. Then we invite reviews to fancy promotional events to warm them up on the game before they play it on their own.

I think of our launch parties as warm-up comedians for the main act. Warm-up comedians are there to get you laughing and excited, so when the star performer walks onstage, you're primed and ready to enjoy the set. Our promo events are the same way. We bring out media to a fancy location, wine and dine them, show them the best parts of our game, and generally build anticipation for release. The theory is that, once they get the game and play it privately, they already have a positive association with the game, which may influence their final score.
Please. I'll question the integrity and objectivity of someone who goes on a paid trip with a game publisher ever damn time. Maybe they'll prove themselves undeserving of scrutiny, maybe they won't. But don't expect me to ignore it.
 

Elios83

Member
His objectivity becomes very questionable.

You should question the objectivity of reviewers in general because these things are pretty common and widespread. Reviewers are seen are marketing tools by publishers so they try to treat them well handing gifts as '' promotional stuff'', paying trips to organized events and things like that.
Btw this thread has all been about the fact that they put an embargo on pre-launch reviews because they have something to hide.....if they're following this strategy, trying to bribe reviewers to get positive scores as well sounds a bit contradictory to me.
In my opinion and I'm talking in general here, not to you in particular, the problem is that some people really want to be negative at all costs these days and this is happening with many games ruining the discussions around these games. If some people don't want to buy a game before they can read reviews then just wait for the reviews, but if the reviews come out, are positive and then the same people doubt that they're honest, then there's really something wrong.
 

heringer

Member
You should question the objectivity of reviewers in general because these things are pretty common and widespread. Reviewers are seen are marketing tools by publishers so they try to treat them well handing gifts as '' promotional stuff'', paying trips to organized events and things like that.
Btw this thread has all been about the fact that they put an embargo on pre-launch reviews because they have something to hide.....if they're following this strategy, trying to bribe reviewers to get positive scores as well sounds a bit contradictory to me.
In my opinion and I'm talking in general here, not to you in particular, the problem is that some people really want to be negative at all costs these days and this is happening with many games ruining the discussions around these games. If some people don't want to buy a game before they can read reviews then just wait for the reviews, but if the reviews come out, are positive and then the same people doubt that they're honest, then there's really something wrong.

I'm thankfull there are some jaded and cynical people to counter balance the hype culture surrounding most AAA titles these days. You don't want every discussion to be a circle jerking.
 

joms5

Member
You should question the objectivity of reviewers in general because these things are pretty common and widespread. Reviewers are seen are marketing tools by publishers so they try to treat them well handing gifts as '' promotional stuff'', paying trips to organized events and things like that.
Btw this thread has all been about the fact that they put an embargo on pre-launch reviews because they have something to hide.....if they're following this strategy, trying to bribe reviewers to get positive scores as well sounds a bit contradictory to me.
In my opinion and I'm talking in general here, not to you in particular, the problem is that some people really want to be negative at all costs these days and this is happening with many games ruining the discussions around these games. If some people don't want to buy a game before they can read reviews then just wait for the reviews, but if the reviews come out, are positive and then the same people doubt that they're honest, then there's really something wrong.

You said it.

And people need to stop thinking that being skeptical is "being negative". It's being a conscious consumer. It's taking everything a publisher says with a grain of salt because you haven't got your hands on the game itself.

Remember No Man's Sky? Remember Alien Colonial Marines? Remember Spore?

There's nothing wrong with questioning what a publisher, developer or even reviewer says. It's healthy.
 

finalflame

Member
I trust them because i am one of those people who gets flown out to events, put up in nice hotels and get stuff for free to review and not once have i ever felt the need to pad or give good reviews because of that nor has any of my friends who are in the same business. If Jeff Gerstmann who was fired for giving an honest opinion corrupt because he gets review copies? Goes to events? Is everyone who works at every single gaming outlet?

Believe it not some people actually have integrity.

Of course they will not tell you or even imply to pad reviews. That would be blatant. Why do you think they fly people like you out to fancy events and put you up in hotels when they could just as well send you a copy in the mail and call it a day? There is a vested interest in your review being as good as possible, and to think doing these things has no impact on your objective scoring of a game is absurd.

Publishers/game companies do this for a reason, and it's not just because they want to be nice to you gratuitously.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Anyone know when cdkeys send the keys out? Would love to be able to preload.

Generally the day of release. CD Keys isn't affiliated with publishers; it has to wait for the physical stock to arrive and scan or otherwise document the keys.
 
If you follow Jeff Gerstmann you'll notice that on almost every occasion he declines review "events" or all the extras that go along with them. He's even spoken out about the dumb shit they do like driving a car around a track for Forza launches and whatnot. And don't get me wrong, when big outlets get flown out for events I also disregard their opinion. Don't take it personally. I'm sure that there are many reviews who attend these things with the utmost integrity. But then ask yourself why these companies do them? You know why they do them. We all do.

It's just as easy to send out a review copy then to fly these people to an event which costs them thousands of dollars. They're not dumb. They aren't going to spend that money if they didn't feel the need to.
Jeff is a titan of the reviewer community, so I'm not sure why the comparison was brought up to begin with. There's a massive difference between getting a review copy, even a review copy of a collector's edition and being flown out of town, put up in a nice hotel, wined and dined, doted on by devs and shown "secret" things inside the development HQ. Give me a break. I mean treating the reviewers to special promo material is silly enough, and I already take my reviews with a grain of salt, but the paid trip kind of step is just a crazy step beyond that.
 

Crossing Eden

Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Read above. He could have either asked them to send a copy out or waited and reviewed it while not in a fabricated environment. Some of you think that these people are simply buying good review scores (which I hope doesn't happen) which is not always the case. But it's the psychology behind these events.
It's not a review, (title aside), it's a preview like all the other previews that came out of a press event.

Yeah, and it sounds like he's saying very little in the way of critique. I'm not sure what your point is about "bu-bu-but other games do it too!" So? There's a reason why I have continually preached about previews being worthless hype machines.

I don't think anyone is under the guise of pure objectivity, but come on. Paid trips like this are getting a bit too close for comfort. Game publishers have admitted before that these things are all a long-con designed to wine, dine and skew reviewer's minds.
But it's a preview, i've seen a lot of that dude's videos before, he's not trying to be a hardcore reviewer, just a guy who as the channel name implies, really likes open world games, i've seen him critique open world games before and he also critiques some aspects in that preview, (like saying the combat can be a bit rough despite him enjoying it). If anything the video is more about informing the audience about how the game systems work.
 

rdytoroll

Member
Jesus tapdancing Christ, remind me to never visit the steam forums again. The forum for this game is such a cesspool filled with assholes and hatred.
 

painey

Member
I had to turn that "review" off just because of that guys voice. The way he pronounced "districts" literally dropped my jaw.
 
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