i was being silly. i do think the specs sound very nice. a clear upgrade all around
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Inside Playstation 4 Pro: How sony made the first 4k games console
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i was being silly. i do think the specs sound very nice. a clear upgrade all around
I don't think new games will have a Old PS4-mode?
Checkerboard Render
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Yes, they have to as mandated by Sony. Any games released from now on must have a Pro mode.
Yes but I meant that Pro in new games won't downclock itself to "OG PS4"-mode. I know there will be the base game for OG PS4 then a Patch/Pro-mode for the Pro
PLASTICA-MAN
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Wise distribution of additional power. No wonder they could reach Ultra textures and settings with enhanced games.
"Hey we're going to release an iterative, updated PS4 in 3 years, please accommodate this while making your games"
This, man.
Unknown?
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An extra gig of Xbox ram!
Exactly.
Checkerboard Render
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I don't understand your concern though - why would a game that was released after Nov ever run in "OG PS4 mode" on the Pro? You can't have the Pro enhancements now mandated without the extra horsepower.
That doesn't mean there won't be things such as 30fps caps, there still likely will - but once you're supporting the Pro, you're running at those increased clocks.
He literally says why in the article. Give it a read.
why do people keep referring to the Xbox One S as if it provides some kind of huge performance boost? It's barely a tangible boost
I guess Nvidia told Valve about the GTX1080 back in 1998 too right? I mean how else does Half-Life 1 run at 1080p (and higher) at any arbitrary FPS today?
I read the answers after making the post, and I don't get it. The Xbox One S got no issues with its higher clockrate.
The fact is that the boost is there.
Checkerboard Render
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They've explained why, because compatibility is paramount with a console, and they tested it and found this to be the best solution to guarantee that. Some games have very specific timings that could exhibit problems even with just slightly increased CPU clocks. The XboxS only has a very slightly upgraded GPU with a near identical architecture, exact same CPU - it's significantly less changes than what the Pro brings. Plus perhaps the API's in the bone are more abstracted.
The problem is that if even 1% of games showed an issue, then every developer would have to fully test every game to ensure it would even run on the Pro. That's every level, every DLC, every multiplayer component - just to allow it to run on the Pro even before you start thinking of added enhancements.
What this method does is take away that massive amount of testing from the developer, but instead gives them the option to do so if they want to give players an improved experience.
I like all this fiddling that Sony is doing. Likely some/most of it is on the table at AMD already, but having a game s publisher and hardware manufacturer also push requirements into AMD should be good for games generally - all this will feed into future products too.
the fact that it's so small and insignificant is precisely why there is no worry of compatibility issues
family_guy
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Aside from the Pro discussion, I think it's ridiculous they reserve 3 gigs for the OS. They need to give back 512mb to 1gb.
Sangetsu-II
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That's why it doesn't have compatibility issues because the boost is so small, try doing that with the big spec boost PS4 Pro has and you have compatibility issues. Same thing would happen with Scorpio.
Edit: Already answered above
Because it's been patched to do so? I can guarantee you put a fresh HL1 install from 1998 on a Windows 8/10 machine at it won't run well, if at all. Don't pretend like every game ever made for PC works flawlessly without any tinkering on a modern machine. Compatibility has always been an issue.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Blame the recording and sharing features for that. I imagine if it was as barbeones as the last gen, they could have upto 7.5GB available just for games.
Its not really comparable to the Xbox S. That's not a significant boost to the legacy part. PS4 to Pro is like ~20% boost CPU wise. That's definitely enough to push the timing on otherwise agnostic code.
its really not ridiculous. it makes sense for them to have a responsive OS thats rendered at 1080p and now 4k to be about that much. especially with background services running like video recording up to 60 mins etc. it makes a lot of sense.
Aceofspades
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Awesome job Eurogamer, This article makes me super happy with my upcoming PRO.
Especially VR enhancements.
Especially VR enhancements.
It's not 3GB just for the OS, it's for the OS and Netflix and the browser and PS Store etc. That's how we get fast switching between apps and no reloading.
Excellent article. I understand their reason for limiting non patched games to old mode, but I'd like the option to override that myself, though it won't happen.
We'll have to see if games actually do run identically to a base ps4 or if the gcn updates will improve things by a few fps, even with the same amount if CUs and frequency.
As long as you use an asterisk you can say anything you like, apparently.
We'll have to see if games actually do run identically to a base ps4 or if the gcn updates will improve things by a few fps, even with the same amount if CUs and frequency.
As long as you use an asterisk you can say anything you like, apparently.
Jeronimo Jones
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I don't understand all of the technical details but I read it anyway to get a sense of the benefits to expect for both 1080p and 4K owners and the thought Sony put into the new model.
Sounds like an impressive job of squeezing out more performance and efficiency.
Sounds like an impressive job of squeezing out more performance and efficiency.
Pankratous
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I'm in for VR enhancements alone. That alone justifies a purchase from me.
Everything else is just a fucking load of cherries on top.
Everything else is just a fucking load of cherries on top.
PLASTICA-MAN
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I want to know if using FP16 instead of FP32 can double the TFlops, what is the advantage of FP32 then?
Honestly they probably could get away with it if they really wanted to. Originally I thought the console would behave in this manner due to all the whining about complete parity with the OG console and people not wanting conceed competitive advantages by not upgrading.
Alot of operations require 32 point precision. Its not really an advantage thing, more like you have to use 32 bit precision sometimes.
Half-Life 1 supported arbitrary resolutions and framerates day 1, because that is how you design software in a sane way when you know there will be multiple iterations of hardware. Sony could have done this too, but they didn't, so here we are, with a system clocking itself down so it can replicate framerate issues from the original hardware.
And trying to compare PC "compatibility issues" covering any number of configurations of hardware from different vendors, to an iterative improvement of fixed hardware from the same manufacturer, is complete nonsense too.
It's just sloppy planning, especially when every multiplatform developer is already accounting for a much wider variety of hardware vendors on PC.
Backfoggen
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Lol, I immediately thought of you when I read that. Like how everyone is now ignoring it too.
Resisting the urge to post an infamous Aaron Greenberg tweet.
family_guy
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I thought recording was done on another chip with it's own RAM.
I still think 3GB is still a bit high and they need to optimize more. The size of media apps like Netflix are overblown compared to other devices.
secret sauce is back in business
Bl@de
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panda-zebra
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After reading the article, this was the post I came to see.