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United States Election: Nov. 8, 2016 |OT| Hate Trumps Love

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The trickiest thing facing the globe going forward is something that sounds simple but it really isn't.

How to talk to one another.

We all come from different places. We all come from different beliefs. We all have different family and societal pressures. 50 years ago which is NOTHING none of us would be able to talk to people in an instant basis.

Here I am sitting on GAF, talking to people from all over the globe in seconds. People from many nations and creeds that I could never have dreamed of interacting with just a couple decades ago. This will lead to conflict. It will lead to long believed and standardized norms being challenged, often painfully.

We have to, and will learn, to just talk. To just speak, and most important of all to just listen. To understand. NOT to always agree but to communicate, figure out where our differences are and what we can do to move past them. And I believe we will.
 
I already know what Trump's acceptance speech is gonna be:

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This.

Why the fuck should we coddle racists.

Either we get mad at them and they vote for racist shit (supposedly because their feelings were hurt), or we treat them with respect and legitimize their views (and then more people will vote for racist shit).

We're caught between a rock and a hard place.

Fucking hell. I once said that racism is a nonrenewable resource. I was so, so incredibly stupid.
 

MThanded

I Was There! Official L Receiver 2/12/2016
She didn't mobilize white blue-collar America the way he did. She said there would be new jobs. He promised he'd bring back their old jobs.

Pretend you're someone who is uneducated and upset with your circumstances, and just plain incapable of seeing those old jobs are truly gone. Which sounds better?
Interesting thing is, what is going to happen now. The jobs are gone. He promised a lot of impossible things.
 
My brain is literally broken. I simply cannot comprehend Trump as being leader of the free world, one of the most powerful men on the planet.

I'm watching Idiocracy and South Park play out in real life.
 

Evening Musuko

Black Korea
That's worked out well for minorities so far. You know the often stated "be empathetic, see from their persepctive. <summon mlk like a pokemon>".

At this point I can't even be mad at any minority who utters that kind of shit tbh. Because prior to this, minorities always took the higher ground. When their land was taken, communities burned down, them being hung and abused by both the people and government of this country. Minorities were always told "don't stoop to their level. Love and unity will drive out hate."

Yet here we are. If minorities taking the high ground got us to this point, why not say the shit white people say to them? The pretense for taking the high ground based on love overcoming hate was killed tonight.

Tell em.

Trump winning will justify hatred in 2016. I won't take the low road, but this is what America voted for.
 

LCGeek

formerly sane
Well, this guy better close all the tax loopholes he's been using to not pay taxes all these years like he said he would. That was pretty much the only thing I agreed with him on.

Sort of like his bullshit claim to deal with lobbyist and the revolving door in politics?
 

Nepenthe

Member
I would if I could bro! All I can do is ensure those around me stay informed.

You can, right now actually! Step one: Stop saying "We all need to come together," and instead say "White people need to come together with black people." There; wasn't so hard, was it?
 

NEO0MJ

Member
So as Muslim American how fucked am I. I'm literally sicked to the stomach at this point

Get ready to be shipped for the motherland. I'll get you a good place to live, no worries.

Though more seriously be careful the next few days, especially if you look ethnically like someone from a muslim country. I worry for any muslim women wearing a scarf now.
 

norm9

Member
If I was Hillary, I'd hold off on that speech till tomorrow. Her supporters on suicide watch at the moment. Some sleep will help.
 

samn

Member
The trickiest thing facing the globe going forward is something that sounds simple but it really isn't.

How to talk to one another.

We all come from different places. We all come from different beliefs. We all have different family and societal pressures. 50 years ago which is NOTHING none of us would be able to talk to people in an instant basis.

Here I am sitting on GAF, talking to people from all over the globe in seconds. People from many nations and creeds that I could never have dreamed of interacting with just a couple decades ago. This will lead to conflict. It will lead to long believed and standardized norms being challenged, often painfully.

We have to, and will learn, to just talk. To just speak, and most important of all to just listen. To understand. NOT to always agree but to communicate, figure out where our differences are and what we can do to move past them. And I believe we will.

If it worked how you say it is, we'd actually be better off. A much bigger issue is people NOT hearing the opposing view.
 
Fool me Once

So what is to be done when the Democratic Party of 2016 can win neither Congress nor the majority of state governments? According to the pundit class, we’re supposed to just wait. A decade or two. Instead of adopting Sanders’s class politics to win over the entire working class, many liberal pundits would prefer we simply wait twenty years when the white working class will no longer be a majority of workers. Demography, they seem to believe, is political destiny. Somehow, I kind of doubt that an eighty-six year-old senator Chuck Schumer will announce in the year 2036 that his party intends to finally “extinguish the billionaire class.”

I can understand how appealing it is to believe that it’s simply “miserable, angry whites” and their racism that’s holding back the Democratic Party from becoming either a social-democratic powerhouse or one that can at least expand on the achievements of its mid-century golden age all over again. It certainly seems easier to just wait patiently than to fight some of the most powerful people in the country for control over a party that is, structurally, far more theirs than ours — likely, irrevocably so.

But demographics won’t turn the party of Silicon Valley into the party of Chicago’s South Side or West Virginia’s coal country. All that waiting will do is prolong the undeniable suffering felt both by Trump and Clinton’s working-class supporters — and the large number of low-income Americans who don’t vote at all. Because that suffering isn’t exclusive to downscale Trumpists — “the deplorables” — it’s everyone who works or desperately hopes to work for a measly wage in order to survive. In other words, not the pundits who have next to nothing in common with them.

It’s not just “vulgar class-first” issues where the Democrats are failing — the party’s nationwide marginalization means, in much of the country, it’s been decades since it’s been this difficult to start or join a labor union or have access to abortion services. Despite having largely shed the “racist” white working class from the Democrat’s electoral coalition, the black-white wage gaps are now larger today than they were in 1979. And therein lies the central irony of the Democrats’ tighter rhetorical embrace of social liberalism alongside a staunch rejection of populist class politics: they actually made far more progress on the former when they were a party capable of the latter.

The belief that bringing in the nonvoting white working class requires surrendering on commitments to gender equality and antiracism is simply that — a belief. Sanders simultaneously attracted the support of white working-class voters in states like Indiana, Wisconsin, and Michigan even as he repeatedly championed Black Lives Matter and the fight against racial discrimination. There was no Sister Souljah moment with Bernie. The idea that bringing in certain segments of the working class automatically negates the coalition’s commitment to social liberalism is a myth.

Among non-Evangelical Protestants, black voters still disproportionately oppose same-sex marriage even as they disproportionately vote Democratic. In 2008, African-American Protestants strongly supported Prop 8 in California. By our punditocracy’s “working-class contaminant” theory, the Democratic Party would be forced to choose here between commitment to same-sex marriage and their black Protestant voters. Yet neither has been “purged” from the coalition. And, steadily, progress has been made — far more Democrats, black Protestants, and Americans support same-sex marriage now than they did fifteen years ago.

So while we’re told about just how insane white workers are for voting the way they do, I frankly don’t find it surprising. Many still vote for today’s affluent, professional-class Democratic Party with low expectations. Some, with no labor union or political organization to corral them, fall back onto reactionary prejudices and throw in with people like Trump for the worst reasons.

And most, understandably, just stay home on Election Day. Until we change that fact, social justice in the United States will continue to remain out of reach for everyone who has to work for a living.
 

Haunted

Member
The biggest, meanest kid in school just fell down face first into a pile of shit.

The rest of the class would laugh, but everyone's afraid of the retaliation.

And now everyone has to figure out how to deal with an angry bully with a face full of shit.
 
All the forum regulars who mocked posters for thinking Trump had a chance....smh. I think it's fair to say the average GAF poster doesn't know shit about middle America.

I slightly disagree with people saying GWB is preferable to Trump. GWB was just more polite, thus giving the illusion of decency relative to Trump. Trump isn't a war-hawk and he isn't religious. I think he's going to be a better president than Bush.

Internet is full of echochambers, GAF isn't differently in that regard.
 
Pretty fucked, in all honesty. Be safe out there.


It's funny how it went from me being worried about salty people to me being straight up worried about my future &#128517;. Stay safe everyone hopefully will comeback stronger. And for those who wanted this I hope you understand what you've done
 

Atlas157

Member
Excuse my ignorance since I don't know much about politics, are Republicans against social security and Medicare? My dad voted for Trump and he's on Medicare and recieves a monthly SS check so I'm worried about that now.
 
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