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Russian ambassador Andrey Karlov assassinated in Ankara

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mdubs said:
No, the pictures are relevant to what is going on here. You are entering into a thread about an assassination - pretty disrespectful to expect the killing of this man to be sanitized for your consumption.
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I'd say it's way more disrespectful to voyeuristically gawp at a person's last moments. "Just like something out of Hitman" indeed.

Also we discuss plenty of news events without having to be neckdeep in images of dead bodies.
 
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Thaedolus said:
A direct hit to the heart is immediately incapacitating as well. I would think a head shot would have a visible exit wound
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Not always, but you would have likely seen his face react to a bullet entering his head, like deformation or something (without getting too graphic)
 
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Glix

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Jacob said:
Fucked up incident.



This is a common misconception. WWI would not have happened if the belligerent parties didn't want to fight each other. The interlocking alliance system was a symptom of tensions in pre-war Europe, not the cause of it. The alliances were officially for defense only, anyway; more countries could have taken the Italian option and refused to join in an aggressive war if they had had the political will to do so.
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You mean... kinda like the exact situation we are in now?
 
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Kurtofan said:
he was an off-duty cop but he wasn't part of the security, reports indicate he just walked inside and mingled.
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At this very moment Turkish police is cleaning up the database. Tomorrow we will find that it was actually no longer an active policemen and for sure a Gulenist about to be imprisoned. /s
 
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Glix said:
You mean... kinda like the exact situation we are in now?
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No. Several nations actually wanted war. Germany felt that war was inevitable and better at that time then latter. Austria had wanted war with Serbia for some time. They both seized the oppurtunity provided as an excuse to trigger the war, expecting victory. Even France had some hawks wanting revenge for the Franco - Prussian war and the return of Alsace-Lorraine.
 
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Bregor said:
No. Several nations actually wanted war. Germany felt that war was inevitable and better at that time then latter. Austria had wanted war with Serbia for some time. They both seized the oppurtunity provided as an excuse to trigger the war, expecting victory. Even France had some hawks wanting revenge for the Franco - Prussian war and the return of Alsace-Lorraine.
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The idea of war (in people's minds) was also different before ww1. War still had a romanticism to it. Was a way for men to prove themselves, and nations to trade territory. The horrific 20th century battlefields of ww1/2 destroyed that notion.
 
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Glix

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Bregor said:
No. Several nations actually wanted war. Germany felt that war was inevitable and better at that time then latter. Austria had wanted war with Serbia for some time. They both seized the oppurtunity provided as an excuse to trigger the war, expecting victory. Even France had some hawks wanting revenge for the Franco - Prussian war and the return of Alsace-Lorraine.
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I would say that Russia wants war.

China seems to want it too.

Europe and america becoming increasingly nationalistic

A coplex series of coalitions is forming.

Im just saying the idea of it happening is not something we should just dismiss out of hand
 
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Glix said:
I would say that Russia wants war.

China seems to want it too.

Europe and america becoming increasingly nationalistic

A coplex series of coalitions is forming.

Im just saying the idea of it happening is not something we should just dismiss out of hand
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Nobody with anything to lose wants war.
 
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Bregor said:
No. Several nations actually wanted war. Germany felt that war was inevitable and better at that time then latter. Austria had wanted war with Serbia for some time. They both seized the oppurtunity provided as an excuse to trigger the war, expecting victory. Even France had some hawks wanting revenge for the Franco - Prussian war and the return of Alsace-Lorraine.
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My history is a bit rusty as well but didn't the empire actually instigate the riots in Sarajevo as well?

Glix said:
I would say that Russia wants war.

China seems to want it too.

Europe and america becoming increasingly nationalistic

A coplex series of coalitions is forming.

Im just saying the idea of it happening is not something we should just dismiss out of hand
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This is going to come off as rude so I apologize. You're confusing war with dick waving. Russia doesn't want war. They want to wave their big stick around and maybe try to grab some territory for non-NATO nations that they can get, which isn't much.

China seems content to show off their power but not actually use it.

Nationalism does not constitute wanting a world war so I'm not exactly sure what your point is here.

The way to look at war is to look at it like a chess board. If you suspend the game, you don't gain anything but you don't lose. If you play, you risk the other side getting pissed off and flipping the board on to the ground (Using nukes). No one at all wants that to happen.
 
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Well that's bad, but not WW 3 bad that people keep trying to say. Mostly just bad for the people in Syria who are going to get bombed by Russia more.

Wonder how long until Turkey claims he was a Gulen supporter.
 
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"Donald Trump has zero chance of winning, ha ha ha !"
"Switch won't be that weak ha ha ha zero chance!"
"This won't trigger World War 3, ha ha ha!"

Fuck. GAF's spirit animal is Michael Pachter
 
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Just shows again how fucked and fueled by hate the whole region is at the moment. Or still is...or has been for a long time. Looking at the video the shooter didn't act randomly. The way he screamed...So angry. He probably chose that place because cameras were watching, too.

Two lifes gone just like that...for what? :( The last week I saw too many cruel pictures of shit happening in the world.
 
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Dalibor68

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Tugatrix said:
one century ago a shooter did a similar silly thing and millions died
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Archduke vs an ambassador, but keep firing up that hyperbole

Horrible. RIP. I'm really curious to see how Putin will react to this - just as the russian-turkish relationship was starting to "heal".
 
jufonuk

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This will be blamed on terrorists not turkey. In fact Russia will bomb the fuck out of Isis in Aleppo and elsewhere The world will have to take it.
 
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Socreges

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Glix said:
I would say that Russia wants war.

China seems to want it too.

Europe and america becoming increasingly nationalistic

A coplex series of coalitions is forming.

Im just saying the idea of it happening is not something we should just dismiss out of hand
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No one wants war. There is nothing to gain for the countries concerned. But with rising nationalism and increased posturing, it is much easier to accidentally trigger a war.
 
diablos991

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jufonuk said:
This will be blamed on terrorists not turkey. In fact Russia will bomb the fuck out of Isis in Aleppo and elsewhere The world will have to take it.
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It looks like a terrorist attack to me.
I'd like to hear some views on how this isn't a terrorist attack.
 
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orthodoxy1095

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d00d3n said:
Of course not. I was considering the possibility that he may want to use them in an escalating conflict against Russia. Good that they are password protected at least ...
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Nah, we had this discussion during the coup. People were wondering if Erdogan went nuts if he could try and take the nukes stationed in Turkey, or if even the Coup members could attempt it.

And as far as people could determine, the launch codes seem to be exclusively in US hands, and there might even be protocol to do something to the nukes were they about to fall into the wrong hands. Even if they got the nukes, the chance of you bypassing a Permissive Action Link (PAL) is incredibly unlikely.
 
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Glix

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Elfforkusu said:
Nobody with anything to lose wants war.
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You're not wrong.

But the way that so many are so quickly not only saying it will never happen, and even mocking the people who are afraid it might reminds me SO MUCH of the pre-election Trump threads.
 
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Momentary

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So there is a picture of the assassin all shot up. weird how no one got shot in the face and how there isn't any blood splatter anywhere in the white room and on the podium from the supposedly 8 shots that the ambassador took. That gun the dude is carrying definitely isn't a .22 and from that range, it seems like there would be blood everywhere in that white room.

I'm not saying that this didn't happen, just saying that the seen of the assassination looks super clean for a man that was shot multiple times. The assassin's death is bloodied but just looks so staged.
 
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