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[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, and soon Turkey via the newly declared Kurdistan. I wonder what the common denominator is here?

Well duh, people always assume Russia is going to start WW3. Or China (and there are plenty of threads where people scream about that happening too. Like last week). People seem to think that any kind of incident involving those two will lead to WW3.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Fine, here's the blood you demand: http://i.imgur.com/tLuubbk.jpg

Christ....

 

[theCalamity]

I was just asking why the scene was so clean.

No you're not. You're insinuating that this was staged.

But to answer your question (I, too, am not a forensics expert nor am I a crime scene specialist) the ambassador got shot in the back. He's laying on his back in the photo. The combination of clothes and pressure prevents a pool of blood from spilling out from him.

 

[Emerson]

Really?

Yes, why would an incoming US president's reaction to a major international incident not be important?

 

[SaganIsGOAT]

So there is a picture of the assassin all shot up. weird how no one got shot in the face and how there isn't any blood splatter anywhere in the white room and on the podium from the supposedly 8 shots that the ambassador took. That gun the dude is carrying definitely isn't a .22 and from that range, it seems like there would be blood everywhere in that white room.

I'm not saying that this didn't happen, just saying that the seen of the assassination looks super clean for a man that was shot multiple times. The assassin's death is bloodied but just looks so staged.

Fine, here's the blood you demand: http://i.imgur.com/tLuubbk.jpg

damn

 

[bonesmccoy]

I wonder if any terror group will attempt to take credit for this. My guess is that none will.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

Those photos are insane.

 

[Pyroclastic]

Yeah, it's cringe worthy to read this thread.

I don't think we should be stocking up on iodine tablets or anything but wars have started for lesser things than this. anyone really panicking should relax a bit, but so should the people who are mocking them.

thank goodness for NATO eh

 

[dracula_x]

Something something Archduke Ferdinand.

and do you remember what happened to Nikolay II after that?

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

Really?

Really what? He'll be the most powerful person in the world in a few weeks. You don't think the president of the United States has interest in Russia and turkey relations?

 

[Dr.Acula]

I wonder if any terror group will attempt to take credit for this. My guess is that none will.

If anything, several groups will claim credit. It's a high-profile story, and with the assassin dead and unable to denounce any group, this is a solid recruitment tool.

 

[The Albatross]

one century ago a shooter did a similar silly thing and millions died

Not entirely the same thing, or remotely close to it. Franz Ferdinand was the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne.

Not to mention that the world is entirely different today than it was 100 years ago.

 

[gabbo]

Really what? He'll be the most powerful person in the world in a few weeks. You don't think the president of the United States has interest in Russia and turkey relations?

Trump himself probably doesn't. He should.

Fine, here's the blood you demand: http://i.imgur.com/tLuubbk.jpg

Damn. I count 14 holes in the wall, but I'm sure I'm missing a few. They didn't take any chances.

 

[Dalibor68]

I don't think we should be stocking up on iodine tablets or anything but wars have started for lesser things than this. anyone really panicking should relax a bit, but so should the people who are mocking them.

thank goodness for NATO eh

"Wars" doesn't equal a world war that destroys the planet for the next thousand years, and aside from that there is no logical reason why russia would suddenly attack turkey now. From what we know this was a islamic terrorist(whether part of a group or a lone gunman) and neither Putin nor Erdogan will have any interest in a big diplomatic fallout after they just got back together.

*edit* And from what I just read, Erdogan and Putin already had a phonecall after the incident and as far as I can tell no nukes have dropped yet.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has spoken to Russian President Vladimir Putin by phone about the attack, Mr Erdogan's office said.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38369962

 

[Kacho]

Fine, here's the blood you demand: http://i.imgur.com/tLuubbk.jpg

Kinda wish they hadn't killed him but I'm ok with this.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

My point is this kind of shit gets simplified into "just another islamic terrorist" which is dangerous and stupid and just lumps the whole area into some "just a country of muslim terrorists"

When in reality, when you have people fucking dying in their country and having legitimate grievances with that, you can't just sweep it under the rug of "ah these barbaric unruly muslims... gotta deal with them"

As far as I can see it, murdering diplomats is a pretty good way to delegitimize your legitimate grievances, at least on a personal level.

 

[dracula_x]

And he's Russian....wouldn't they kinda NOT like the Nazi's.....?

it's complicated now

 

[Audioboxer]

I wonder if any terror group will attempt to take credit for this. My guess is that none will.

Some may due to the ideological ties, but unless after a search/investigation it is found the killer is directly in cahoots with any groups then it is just claiming to propagandise/encourage recruitment.

 

[Electric Eye]

Really what? He'll be the most powerful person in the world in a few weeks. You don't think the president of the United States has interest in Russia and turkey relations?

He should but he doesn't. He ran on a platform of nationalist, non interventionist, economic isolationism. Despite all the goobers that support him because he's "strong" he didn't run on any military muscle but rather economic muscle in the form of trade wars. Hell be happy to let everyone kill each other so long as America gets to stay out of it and make money at it too boot.

 

[Head of Vengarl]

Damn that video + pictures are insane.

Does anyone know what the gunman was saying after he shot him?

 

[Haunted]

 

[LegendofJoe]

Well duh, people always assume Russia is going to start WW3. Or China (and there are plenty of threads where people scream about that happening too. Like last week). People seem to think that any kind of incident involving those two will lead to WW3.

There won't be a WW3 in a conventional sense, but there already is one if you redefine war to fit today's world. Russia is actively destabilizing countries all along their massive border via covert means and weaponized propaganda. China is expanding their territory and getting away with it because of their massive economic power. And this is going to continue to get worse because the US has become paralyzed due to political dysfunction.

The only hope of things getting better is for Europe to unite and fill the leadership vacuum. I don't have high hopes for that unfortunately. While I don't think we're heading towards doomsday, the decline of the world order upheld by the US makes the world a much more dangerous place. People are right to be anxious and cautious.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

I don't think this was an act of terror. Had it been, he wouldn't have said his message, about not forgetting Aleppo and Syria. This was personal. Just because some one shouts allahu akbar, doesn't mean the act they are doing is to terrify.

Had it been a true terrorist attack, bystanders would have been shot. This was a thought out assassination.

 

[Biske]

As far as I can see it, murdering diplomats is a pretty good way to delegitimize your legitimate grievances, at least on a personal level.

I'm not saying its the smart thing to do for your cause, just that its more complicated than "IsLaMiC TeRRoRZZZZZ!!!!!" that is easy to throw about.

When your people, your family, your friends, are in a place like Aleppo getting murdered and bombed into oblivion, people lash out and do crazy shit, but its not just pure madness driving them, they have real valid motivations, that the world shouldn't ignore and just try and bomb away.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

If you didn't notice, Russia has become a far right country in recent years

And that means turning nazi?

I always chuckle at the people Hitler viewed as sub human worthship him. Not to mention how many millions lives were lost in Russia thanks to this man.

 

[Apathy]

Damn that video + pictures are insane.

Does anyone know what the gunman was saying after he shot him?

From a few pages back

 

[TheCochese]

He should but he doesn't. He ran on a platform of nationalist, non interventionist, economic isolationism. Despite all the goobers that support him because he's "strong" he didn't run on any military muscle but rather economic muscle in the form of trade wars. Hell be happy to let everyone kill each other so long as America gets to stay out of it and make money at it too boot.

He's on record of wanting to start a war with Iran if those nasty people give our sailors the finger again.

 

[studyguy]

I dunno how some people imagine it. Seen someone get shot 3 times in the chest up close before, it's not a bloody explosion of gore or anything dramatic. All I saw was blood seeping on the three spots and a spot after they moved the guy and not much else. It's not like a movie in the slightest. The whole false flag, too clean shit is gross and doesn't need to come up at all.

 

[jstripes]

And he's Russian....wouldn't they kinda NOT like the Nazi's.....?

It's a weird case of cultural appropriation.

Modern assholes worldwide admire the Nazis, and have adopted their symbols.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

Read the whole thread, Christ Above.

How about you actually explain your opinion after you said I was wrong instead of hand waving and telling me to read a thread where you're one of the first posts. SMH

This is NOTHING like the start of WWI

 

[dracula_x]

and 3 years later

 

[Angelus Errare]

Damn

 

[Tugatrix]

Not entirely the same thing, or remotely close to it. Franz Ferdinand was the heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne.

Not to mention that the world is entirely different today than it was 100 years ago.

is it that different, I keep seeing humanity following the same patterns and cycles

 

[TheCochese]

How about you actually explain your opinion after you said I was wrong instead of hand waving and telling me to read a thread where you're one of the first posts. SMH

I did, in multiple follow-up posts. Which is why I told you to read the thread.

 

[Momentary]

Fine, here's the blood you demand: http://i.imgur.com/tLuubbk.jpg

I already mentioned that there was a picture of this. I was talking about the ambassador which I already got my answer.

 

[Dalibor68]

is it that different, I keep seeing humanity following the same patterns and cycles

Again, shooting an archduke of a european empire in a time where there was still a lot of imperialism and war in europe vs a terrorist shooting a russian ambassador and the two presidents having already talked about it via phone

I feel like I'm talking against a wall, people will just see what they want to see and keep spreading this "ww3 is coming!!" stuff.

 

[Hello? This is Hailun!]

Last time Islamists attack Russian ambassadors the Russians hijacked their family and started mailing the Islamists body parts.

 

[Zaraki_Kenpachi]

I did, in multiple follow-up posts. Which is why I told you to read the thread.

So I have to scour through 11 pages? OK.

Putin likes to swing his dick around at every opportunity though. Who knows what repercussions will unfold.

I think it's more likely it will be an excuse for another Turkish purge, but the mind does wander.

This is your only post between telling me to learn to read and incorrectly saying this is the same as WWI. Thanks for talking down when you still can't explain your viewpoint.

 

[sphagnum]

And that means turning nazi?

I always chuckle at the people Hitler viewed as sub human worthship him. Not to mention how many millions lives were lost in Russia thanks to this man.

There are tons of Nazis and fascists in Russia. You even get weird hybrids like the Nazbols (National Bolsheviks). Russia still commemorates their victory in WWII, but it's considered a patriotic war, not one to protect communism anymore. Similarmtonhow Americans love talking about WWII but just elected a pseudo fascist. In the absence of socialism and the failure of liberalism in Russia, far right nationalism has filled the space.

Putin's game plan is based on Dugin's outline, which is fascistic in nature.

 

[Jackpot]

People direct linking images and going "wassamatter, can't take real life, lol" really need an effing reality check. Just because it's relevant to the story doesn't give you carte blanche to post close-ups of dead bodies. Do you think a news story about a car accident or plane crash means it's ok to post pics of mangled limbs? Just watched a news report on the assassination and they steered well clear of showing his body.

 

[bonesmccoy]

If anything, several groups will claim credit. It's a high-profile story, and with the assassin dead and unable to denounce any group, this is a solid recruitment tool.

I can't see it as a solid recruitment tool. Yes, it's high profile given the recent problems these 2 countries have had, but right now it's looking like it will have the (clearly unintended) effect of creating a mutual cause for Turkey and Russia to work together on. And if a group were to take credit, it'd fall in the cross-hairs of both countries' security forces, making recruitment / operations much more difficult.

 

[AndrewDean84xX]

Again, shooting an archduke of a european empire in a time where there was still a lot of imperialism and war in europe vs a terrorist shooting a russian ambassador and the two presidents having already talked about it via phone

I feel like I'm talking against a wall, people will just see what they want to see and keep spreading this "ww3 is coming!!" stuff.

If the man had one target, and only that one target was killed, is he really a terrorist? Seems more like an assassin.

 

[Chiramii]

Just heard the news so I'm a bit behind on this. Man, 2016 has been a shitshow.

 

[Apathy]

People direct linking images and going "wassamatter, can't take real life, lol" really need an effing reality check. Just because it's relevant to the story doesn't give you carte blanche to post close-ups of dead bodies. Do you think a news story about a car accident or plane crash means it's ok to post pics of mangled limbs? Just watched a news report on the assassination and they steered well clear of showing his body.

And I just watched some that showed it off? You're point? your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything. I can understand you not wanting to see dead bodies, cool. Don't expect everyone else to have some aversion to it when it comes to some important breaking news.

 

[Bruce Springsteen]

If the man had one target, and only that one target was killed, is he really a terrorist? Seems more like an assassin.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[mnz]

If the man had one target, and only that one target was killed, is he really a terrorist? Seems more like an assassin.

Yes? What do you think terrorism is?

 

[aspiegamer]

Aleppo wasn't ISIS territory, so the said motive is a bit off. Not that it can't be related, of course, but that's a common misconception in a lot of media and a propaganda tidbit.

Oh crap. 2016 has turned me into an online forum conspiracy weirdo. I hate myself. Hopefully 2017 allows me to fix this

Spoiler

sigh

.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Last time Islamists attack Russian ambassadors the Russians hijacked their family and started mailing the Islamists body parts.

I mean, in 1986, under the KGB yeah. That was a reported incident, dunno if it was ever really confirmed or if it was supposed to be Russian propaganda showing how tough they were about getting hostages back and how weak the USA was. Regardless, I don't think it was "family" and "body parts" plural though. They castrated some guy who was a relative, shot him in the head and sent the organs to Hezbollah.

 

[TheJLC]

So there is a picture of the assassin all shot up. weird how no one got shot in the face and how there isn't any blood splatter anywhere in the white room and on the podium from the supposedly 8 shots that the ambassador took. That gun the dude is carrying definitely isn't a .22 and from that range, it seems like there would be blood everywhere in that white room.

I'm not saying that this didn't happen, just saying that the seen of the assassination looks super clean for a man that was shot multiple times. The assassin's death is bloodied but just looks so staged.

How many murder scenes have you been around? I have been around dozens. Let me tell you that not all of them have blood spatter or even blood. Sometimes the bullet, regardless of pistol caliber, enters the body and causes all internal damage with the bullet closing the entry wound behind it. I have literally moved a person thinking they were unconscious and rolled them over only to see the bullet hole in the front of the head with no blood coming out.

 

[Stereogatari]

Turkey has gone to shit thanks to political Islam. The Turkish ethnic identity never used to be this tied up in Pan-Islamic issues. I feel like I'm watching my country fade away.