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Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]

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Revas

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I think it will for a lot of people. If a guy walks into a store and asks "which one does the best NBA 2K/Battlefield/Red Dead?" the guy behind the counter will be pointing at Scorpio. That will be more than MS has had so far this gen. I'm not saying it's going to get them passing Sony, or even catching up at any meaningful pace. But it could definitely right the ship and change their narrative, which has been in the gutter pretty much all generation.

The only things that can muck it up for them is if they need to price it sky high, or if Sony makes a spoiler announcement of newer, more promising hardware on the horizon this summer.

Considering how many already own PlayStation products I find the idea that folks already invested in this gen will buy Scorpios for the best multiplat experience unlikely. It needs unique software experiences.
 

CCIE

Banned
You know part of me has to laugh at the XBox gamers that want MS to hit up a different Japanese company for an exclusive (like From)... Why? If you like Japanese games, you shouldn't have bought an XBox. It's really that simple.

If you like Nintendo games, you buy Nintendo platforms. If you like third parties, Nintendo is not the way to go. If you like JRPG's, you buy either a Nintendo or Sony machine. You don't buy an XBox. Get the picture?


You signed up for Halo, Forza, and such, and whatever Western exclusives MS could wrangle. You don't get that many Japanese games. And after seeing the "result" of the partnerships of MS with Japanese companies, be prepared to get even less of them. Enjoy what you do have, which is good multiplayer and games as a service.
 

12BoM

Member
Are you out of your mind boi? I'll buy 2. Most of us give many zero @$!#@ for a JRPG, I would still ask you Scalebound what?

Im getting Scorp mainly for multi-plats and raw power where you throw anything at it and it eats it alive with a nasty performance..

lol, yall can have Scalebound it's a gift from us.

if all you want are multi plats and raw power get a pc you pleb
 

Puruzi

Banned
I'm not sure if MS and PG were on the best of terms during development. Kamiya literally posted a tweet asking if MS was fucking with him and then deleted it quickly afterwards.
 

N.Domixis

Banned
Exactly, this is a microcosm of a trend that has been worrying me about XBox since 2009. I've been rooting for them to pull off a comeback for at least two years now, but this has let almost all the air out of the balloon for me. Since 2009, what first party games have they released? Here's a list - tell me if you can spot the trends.

2009
  • Forza 3
  • Halo 3: ODST
  • Halo Wars
  • Ninja Blade

2010
  • Alan Wake
  • Crackdown 2
  • Fable 3
  • Halo: Reach
  • Kinect Sports
  • Kinectimals
  • Kinect Adventures
  • Kinect Joy Ride

2011
  • Forza 4
  • Gears of War 3
  • Gunstringer
  • Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary
  • Kinect Disneyland Adventures
  • Kinect Sports Season Two

2012
  • Fable: The Journey
  • Forza Horizon
  • Halo 4
  • Kinect Rush
  • Kinect Star Wars

2013
  • Dead Rising 3
  • Forza 5
  • Killer Instinct
  • Ryse
  • Zoo Tycoon
  • Gears of War Judgement (360)

2014
  • Forza Horizon 2
  • Halo: Master Chief Collection
  • Kinect Sports Rivals
  • Minecraft
  • Project Spark
  • Sunset Overdrive

2015
  • Forza 6
  • Gears of War Ultimate Edition
  • Halo 5: Guardians
  • Rare Replay
  • ScreamRide
  • Ori and the Blind Forest

2016
  • Dead Rising 4
  • Forza Horizon 3
  • Gears of War 4
  • Quantum Break
  • ReCore
Their audience will continue to shrink and shrink if they head down this path. You can't rely on third parties when the other console is global.
 

blakep267

Member
You know part of me has to laugh at the XBox gamers that want MS to hit up a different Japanese company for an exclusive (like From)... Why? If you like Japanese games, you shouldn't have bought an XBox. It's really that simple.

If you like Nintendo games, you buy Nintendo platforms. If you like third parties, Nintendo is not the way to go. If you like JRPG's, you buy either a Nintendo or Sony machine. You don't buy an XBox. Get the picture?


You signed up for Halo, Forza, and such, and whatever Western exclusives MS could wrangle. You don't get that many Japanese games. And after seeing the "result" of the partnerships of MS with Japanese companies, be prepared to get even less of them. Enjoy what you do have, which is good multiplayer and games as a service.
I think you need to distinguish between Xbox gamers here on gaf and Xbox gamers in the real world. The real world people aren't asking for Japanese exclusives. Gamers here who have a different taste and also happen to own an Xbox are asking for it

Like for example, Lost odyssey was free for a whole month. How many people do you think downloaded it? 15-20k( just a guess tbh). Out of 20+ million. The game isn't anywhere near the top played lists( something like dead rising is on the last row)
 
You know part of me has to laugh at the XBox gamers that want MS to hit up a different Japanese company for an exclusive (like From)... Why? If you like Japanese games, you shouldn't have bought an XBox. It's really that simple.

If you like Nintendo games, you buy Nintendo platforms. If you like third parties, Nintendo is not the way to go. If you like JRPG's, you buy either a Nintendo or Sony machine. You don't buy an XBox. Get the picture?


You signed up for Halo, Forza, and such, and whatever Western exclusives MS could wrangle. You don't get that many Japanese games. And after seeing the "result" of the partnerships of MS with Japanese companies, be prepared to get even less of them. Enjoy what you do have, which is good multiplayer and games as a service.

It is, I never understood buying an xbox then complaining about the lack of games from Japan...I mean what did you expect?
 
You know the source of those complaints of shitty treatment of devs? Forum posts by random individuals.

MS treats their devs like their favorite children who can do no wrong.

There, does that ease your concern? No idea if it's true but it doesn't seem to matter to anyone else.

Actually you've got Lab Zero, the developer of Skullgirls and the upcoming Indivisible saying here on GAF they don't know any developers who've had a good experience working with MS.

So while what you typed is very much bullshit, what you tried to criticize is not.

There are also devs here that praise MS as a partner, but you painting negative remarks as coming from random individuals is patently false.
 

CCIE

Banned
Not disagreeing. Look, the fact is that the Japanese tend to take longer to make their games, and many AAA titles are frequently delayed. Therefore, they should not work with a company like MS that has demanding schedules and documented "shady" practices.

And most XBox gamers aren't going to care. They, as someone else so delicately put it, don't give two shits about JRPG's, and will buy two Scorpio's because it is the most powerful system out there. So MS will be fine, in America and to a lesser part the UK. That is their market. By now, that is their only market. XBox will have EA, and multiplayer games galore. And games as a service


Don't expect something like Uncharted on the XBox - that requires time and investment that MS simply isn't willing to spend. If so, they would have worked with Kamiya and others, instead of tanking their projects because of numbers on a spreadsheet.
 

cakely

Member
No he's def not confused. If you read the end of his post he mentions "If you are limiting your list to games 'revealed' in 2014, then you are incorrect again since (at the very least) The Witness, Uncharted 4, NMS, Eve: Valk, and The Order were revealed earlier."

he's aware

Sorry. Yep, I got it wrong. I regret responding and I'll just edit.
 
I'm not sure how this keeps getting perpetuated, but it's false.

Look at the 2015-16 exclusives. Rare Replay, single player. Forza 6, massive single player with online functionality. Screamride, single player. Ori, single player. Dead Rising 4, single player. Forza Horizon 3, massive single player with online functionality. Quantum Break, single player. Record, single player. Rise of the Tomb Raider (timed exclusive), single player.

I include Forza games in that list as the online has clearly taken absolutely nothing out of the single player, as is often the claim made for shooters. I'd also say it's harsh to overlook Gears 4 and Halo 5 if you're a single player only gamer - there's still something there for you - they aren't a Star Wars Battlefront or Titanfall 1.

Between third party releases, there's plenty of meat there for most gamers. I think GAF is hardcore by design, but for more casual gamers like myself, it's plenty.

"don't like MP or Forza" was part of my sentence and you just listed a lot of Forza games

If you take Forza, Halo, Gears of Wars and MP centered games from that list you end up with a very poor list of exclusives since 2009, IMO.
 

Pejo

Gold Member
LOL I had a look at Kamiya's Twitter after the OP update, and that little comic about some dude getting blocked by him killed me.

Sounds like fans are being supportive of him, which is good.
 
You signed up for Halo, Forza, and such, and whatever Western exclusives MS could wrangle. You don't get that many Japanese games. And after seeing the "result" of the partnerships of MS with Japanese companies, be prepared to get even less of them. Enjoy what you do have, which is good multiplayer and games as a service.

Halo 5, 6, 7 and 8... and 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZDw-D2BSMg


Between 2007 and 2016 Sony released 4 Uncharted games for PS3 and PS4

MS dumped 10 Halo games and 8 Forza games for Xbox360 and Xbox ONE
 

blakep267

Member
Halo 5, 6, 7 and 8... and 9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZDw-D2BSMg


Between 2007 and 2016 Sony released 4 Uncharted games for PS3 and PS4

MS dumped 10 Halo games and 8 Forza games for Xbox360 and Xbox ONE
Why don't you include handheld systems. Just be fair. There have been 7 uncharted games since 2007( 4 mainline, 1 remaster and 2 vita)

There have been 11 halo games in the same period. Everybody milks everything
 
Why don't you include handheld systems. Just be fair. There have been 7 uncharted games since 2007( 4 mainline, 1 remaster and 2 vita)

There have been 11 halo games in the same period. Everybody milks everything

Because MS doesn't have a handheld, so it won't be a fair comparisson.

And 2 Uncharteds for Vita? What other Uncharted besides Golden Abyss was released for the Vita?
 
No he's def not confused. If you read the end of his post he mentions "If you are limiting your list to games 'revealed' in 2014, then you are incorrect again since (at the very least) The Witness, Uncharted 4, NMS, Eve: Valk, and The Order were revealed earlier."

he's aware

I challenged him on it earlier in the thread and came the conclusion that it's pointless. He's under the impression that his list is perfectly acceptable, when in my opinion, it contains too many inconsistencies to accurately reflect the announcement-to-release ratio of newly announced games of both Sony and Microsoft from their E3 2014 conferences.

But whatevers man
 
Because MS doesn't have a handheld, so it won't be a fair comparisson.

And 2 Uncharteds for Vita? What other Uncharted besides Golden Abyss was released for the Vita?

There is Uncharted: Fight for Fortune, a card game they litterally nobody played.

I agree though, the best comparison is on the main consoles, since that is by far the biggest and most important market.
 

Revas

Member
You know part of me has to laugh at the XBox gamers that want MS to hit up a different Japanese company for an exclusive (like From)... Why? If you like Japanese games, you shouldn't have bought an XBox. It's really that simple.

If you like Nintendo games, you buy Nintendo platforms. If you like third parties, Nintendo is not the way to go. If you like JRPG's, you buy either a Nintendo or Sony machine. You don't buy an XBox. Get the picture?


You signed up for Halo, Forza, and such, and whatever Western exclusives MS could wrangle. You don't get that many Japanese games. And after seeing the "result" of the partnerships of MS with Japanese companies, be prepared to get even less of them. Enjoy what you do have, which is good multiplayer and games as a service.

I think this is kind of silly. People who buy an Xbox "sign up" for whatever games are being marketed for the system. It could be western, Japanese, Martian whatever. The concept that players who are unhappy with the lineup of games on their system of choice should just deal with it is contrived. Surely MS will continue to milk it's bread and butter franchises but games like Phantom Dust, SSO and Scalebound were announced, released and worked on for a reason.

Not disagreeing. Look, the fact is that the Japanese tend to take longer to make their games, and many AAA titles are frequently delayed. Therefore, they should not work with a company like MS that has demanding schedules and documented "shady" practices.

And most XBox gamers aren't going to care. They, as someone else so delicately put it, don't give two shits about JRPG's, and will buy two Scorpio's because it is the most powerful system out there. So MS will be fine, in America and to a lesser part the UK. That is their market. By now, that is their only market. XBox will have EA, and multiplayer games galore. And games as a service


Don't expect something like Uncharted on the XBox - that requires time and investment that MS simply isn't willing to spend. If so, they would have worked with Kamiya and others, instead of tanking their projects because of numbers on a spreadsheet.

You are assuming a fuck of a lot in general, however,if Xbox gamers were so concerned with having the most power why are they Xbox gamers in the first place?
 

AdanVC

Member
Mad props to Kamiya he is taking the situation like a boss! Hope he soon announces his new project. Very looking forward to that.
 

spannicus

Member
I think this is kind of silly. People who buy an Xbox "sign up" for whatever games are being marketed for the system. It could be western, Japanese, Martian whatever. The concept that players who are unhappy with the lineup of games on their system of choice should just deal with it is contrived. Surely MS will continue to milk it's bread and butter franchises but games like Phantom Dust, SSO and Scalebound were announced, released and worked on for a reason.



You are assuming a fuck of a lot.
Bingo couldnt have said it better. As a console owner i expect all types of games to release on the console. Not just western or japanese.
 

UncleMeat

Member
updated my 2017 games list:
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edit: nm
 

Nephtes

Member
180+ pages for Scalebound cancelation. Incredible.

Amazing given the lack of excitement over the game.
Or at least my impression of lack of excitement around here for the game ...

If the game wasn't going to be on many people's radar... Why all of a sudden with it gone is it showing up like a foreign invasion of aircraft off the west coast?
 

CCIE

Banned
Don't take anything Kamiya says, and try to extrapolate from it. He's still under NDA. MS makes anyone they work with sign those, and when you leave the company then you do so as well.

Standard practice at tech companies.
 

Nephtes

Member
updated my 2017 games list:
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I am curious to see if MS says anything about Crackdown 3 anytime soon as sort of a subtle confidence boost in response to this cancellation.

They've reiterated Crackdown 3 will launch this year in the wake of cancelling Scalebound...
It's on IGN, I'm not going fishing for the link and quote again...
 

leeh

Member
Don't take anything Kamiya says, and try to extrapolate from it. He's still under NDA. MS makes anyone they work with sign those, and when you leave the company then you do so as well.

Standard practice at tech companies.
"Don't believe what he says, so we can keep up this vitriol hate against a company which is cool to dislike"

Even with him being under an NDA, doesn't stop him from him disclosing his general mood. Just seems like a project which was super problematic which ended in a non-toxic split.
 

CCIE

Banned
I think this is kind of silly. People who buy an Xbox "sign up" for whatever games are being marketed for the system. It could be western, Japanese, Martian whatever. The concept that players who are unhappy with the lineup of games on their system of choice should just deal with it is contrived. Surely MS will continue to milk it's bread and butter franchises but games like Phantom Dust, SSO and Scalebound were announced, released and worked on for a reason.


Anyone who buys a system for an "announced" game is taking a gamble. You probably should have waited to see if it came out first, if that is what you wanted. I waited, and am glad I did. MS won't be getting my business - the lineup doesn't appeal to me enough. Not really that much of a Halo and Forza fan, though I appreciate they are good games.

I think Sea of Thieves looks interesting, but not a system seller for me, personally.
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
180+ pages for Scalebound cancelation. Incredible.

Amazing given the lack of excitement over the game.
Or at least my impression of lack of excitement around here for the game ...

If the game wasn't going to be on many people's radar... Why all of a sudden with it gone is it showing up like a foreign invasion of aircraft off the west coast?
Yeah why indeed, it's not like this same question has been asked and answered 20 times already.

Incredibly original deflection.
 

Nephtes

Member
That doesn't mean shit

He commented on wondering if MS has said anything about Crackdown 3's release since canceling Scalebound.
They have.
I reported it as such.
Go check yo'self.

Yeah why indeed, it's not like this same question has been asked and answered 20 times already.

Incredibly original deflection.

Not a deflection... Just general bewilderment.
I was excited for this game and it seemed not many people were around here.
It's incredibly bewildering to see the interest all of a sudden now it's canceled...

Granted, the interest seems mostly so people can come shitpile on MS some more.
 
updated my 2017 games list:
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edit: nm
lol.

180+ pages for Scalebound cancelation. Incredible.

Amazing given the lack of excitement over the game.
Or at least my impression of lack of excitement around here for the game ...

If the game wasn't going to be on many people's radar... Why all of a sudden with it gone is it showing up like a foreign invasion of aircraft off the west coast?
Well, discussion has expanded beyond Scalebound too.
 

UncleMeat

Member
He commented on wondering if MS has said anything about Crackdown 3's release since canceling Crackdown.
They have.
I reported it as such.
Go check yo'self.

Ya thanks, I haven't tuned in since yesterday and should've checked before writing that. I'll go ahead and move the goal posts some and say that I wonder if MS will show anything concrete soon but I doubt they'd say that if it was anywhere close to being cancelled.
 

MCD

Junior Member
Don't take anything Kamiya says, and try to extrapolate from it. He's still under NDA. MS makes anyone they work with sign those, and when you leave the company then you do so as well.

Standard practice at tech companies.

OMG the drama must live on
 

benny_a

extra source of jiggaflops
Not a deflection... Just general bewilderment.
I was excited for this game and it seemed not many people were around here.
It's incredibly bewildering to see the interest all of a sudden now it's canceled...
It was the #2 and #1 most anticipated Xbone/W10 game on the two last NeoGAF's most anticipated game of the year voting.

Are you still bewildered? Some reason to dismiss those years of results?
 
He commented on wondering if MS has said anything about Crackdown 3's release since canceling Scalebound.
They have.
I reported it as such.
Go check yo'self.



Not a deflection... Just general bewilderment.
I was excited for this game and it seemed not many people were around here.
It's incredibly bewildering to see the interest all of a sudden now it's canceled...

Granted, the interest seems mostly so people can come shitpile on MS some more.

Why is this surprising and hard for some to undertstand? Negative news brings more reaction, that has been true since for ever, Human Nature.

Your persecution complex is silly, The LAst Guardian cancellation thread hi 140 pages before it was locked when Sony said it was not cancelled....It's normal.

It's big news when a AAA exclusive that was one of the big games at 3 e'3s gets cancelled after years of development.
 

Revas

Member
Anyone who buys a system for an "announced" game is taking a gamble. You probably should have waited to see if it came out first, if that is what you wanted. I waited, and am glad I did. MS won't be getting my business - the lineup doesn't appeal to me enough. Not really that much of a Halo and Forza fan, though I appreciate they are good games.

I think Sea of Thieves looks interesting, but not a system seller for me, personally.

Most of what you are saying is besides the point. It's all fine and dandy to wait until a game is released to invest into its platform, but a significant portion if not a majority of console purchases are done in the anticipation of future games. Don't act like Xbox owners who aren't satisfied with just Gears, Forza and Halo have made some grand folly and played themselves.
 

Nephtes

Member
It was the #2 and #1 most anticipated Xbone/W10 game on the two last NeoGAF's most anticipated game of the year voting.

Are you still bewildered? Some reason to dismiss those years of results?

The announcement thread for Scalebound was what, 14-20 pages?
What was the announcement page length for Bayonetta 2 or Bloodborne or Horizon Zero Dawn?

Compared to a number of similar profile games on GAF, Scalebound was not getting the attention it's cancelation suggests.
 
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