I personally don't care whether the games are "last gen looking" or not. For me, even the PS4 is "last gen looking", because Sony decided not to use state-of-the-art hardware. They got some hype going with the 8GB superfast RAM and stuff... but there are / were too many rough games which made those promises look like lies. And there is a stronger platform out there.
But enough with the trolling on your side: you just enjoy the illusion of having "current gen" hardware while I will enjoy the reality of having a great game to play. Deal?
Yeah but the Switch is supposed to be top of the line Maxwell tech Nvidia 500 Man Years 4GB RAM 4X Fan on Dock,etc. If it can't handle a Wii U @900p what does that tell us?
Remember the early leaks calling 900p graphics at 60 fps on Switch?
Relax. All i'm saying is that you should've seen the spots from those pics you said that looked nice during the E3 demos, because they went there multiple times. I mean, one of them is from a shrine.
Also i can understand the reveal, but i'm not sure how you would compare that offscreen footage seen in a tiny part of the video to direct feed gameplay and say it looked better (or worse for that matter), but ok. All i remember is that it looked incredibly far from finished and had tons of placeholders.
Did you watch the video? You can see straight off, immediately that the VGA 2014 footage has far higher texture resolution, shadow resolution, better lighting, foliage density and distance. It's so obvious, that even a shitty offscreen video makes it apparent.
I mean as someone who games w just a Rx 480, most console games already look dated.
This does look a little worse than I would have liked as far as textures and aliasing go (Nintendo seems to have not heard of the concept of antialiasing), but the art direction and gameplay look superb.
I mean as someone who games w just a Rx 480, most console games already look dated.
This does look a little worse than I would have liked as far as textures and aliasing go (Nintendo seems to have not heard of the concept of antialiasing), but the art direction and gameplay look superb.
WW was a much more simple game technically,they wanted it to look more realistic plus you cant make a 13x bigger game on a 5x more powerful system like Wii U without some compromises :/
I strongly disagree that it's ugly, but then again, it's extremely confusing why people are acting like it's insane to expect 1080/30 for a game that looks like this out of a console that retails for 300USD in 2017.
I personally don't care whether the games are "last gen looking" or not. For me, even the PS4 is "last gen looking", because Sony decided not to use state-of-the-art hardware. They got some hype going with the 8GB superfast RAM and stuff... but there are / were too many rough games which made those promises look like lies. And there is a stronger platform out there.
But enough with the trolling on your side: you just enjoy the illusion of having "current gen" hardware while I will enjoy the reality of having a great game to play. Deal?
No i want no illusion of anything, stop involving me personally please only because i disagree with you.
Your argument still making no sense, you cant say simply i have a console to go experince when the hardware and the graphic fidelity doesnt hold a candle to the current consoles. As i stated thats like saying i have a console to go experince with the 3ds because its looks better psone or ps2
Did you watch the video? You can see straight off, immediately that the VGA 2014 footage has far higher texture resolution, shadow resolution, better lighting, foliage density and distance. It's so obvious, that even a shitty offscreen video makes it apparent.
Take shitty pictures of a game is easy to make it look bad. Hell I could show you a lot of rough places in Uncharted 4. Does it matter? Fuck no. Its like with the Witcher 3 all over again. "Oh no they downgraded some textures!!" And in the end...no one cared what those people said. Everybody enjoyed the finished product.
Here it will be the same. Like it always is.
Btw I still think BotW can look fantastic in some places and rough in others. Like. Every. Game.
Did you watch the video? You can see straight off, immediately that the VGA 2014 footage has far higher texture resolution, shadow resolution, better lighting, foliage density and distance. It's so obvious, that even a shitty offscreen video makes it apparent.
Yes i did, and i also watched offscreen trailers of the E3 2016 build like this one.
Offscreen footage tends to hide stuff, both bad and good. Anyway if you still think the VGA section looked better than this we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. It's not that big of a deal.
Take shitty pictures of a game is easy to make it look bad. Hell I could show you a lot of rough places in Uncharted 4. Does it matter? Fuck no. Its like with the Witcher 3 all over again. "Oh no they downgraded some textures!!" And in the end...no one cared what those people said. Everybody enjoyed the finished product.
Here it will be the same. Like it always is.
Btw I still think BotW can look fantastic in some places and rough in others. Like. Every. Game.
There are parts of the game with very good foliage and density, as well as better shadows and colors, I think a lot of it is dependent on location and time of day. Ultimately better hardware would help with the overall IQ, but I think it looks nice, a much better realization of what Skyward Sword tried to do.
Why did you... Reference a lower quality video of the same thing than the one I actually linked? The quality in the one you linked is shit. No wonder you can't see anything.
Yes i did, and i also watched offscreen trailers of the E3 2016 build like this one. Offscreen footage tends to hide stuff, both bad and good. Anyway if you still think the VGA section looked better than this we're just gonna have to agree to disagree. It's not that big of a deal.
I concede I hadn't seen this video. I watched a lot of IGN's videos, the demos with Bill and that... weird new girl who doesn't have a name*
This looks good. The saturation is certainly far better. But I think this video looks even better than what we just saw with DF. So then I'm even more conflicted. The old e3 wii u build somehow looks better than the latest switch build to me?
Zelda is so rich, has so much sensibility and soul... You must really be completely blind to what Zelda is to complain so much about it not being 1080p..
Look at the details, the love in every little thing. This is amazing..
I concede I hadn't seen this video. I watched a lot of IGN's videos, the demos with Bill and that... weird new girl who doesn't have a name*
This looks good. The saturation is certainly far better. But I think this video looks even better than what we just saw with DF. So then I'm even more conflicted. The old e3 wii u build somehow looks better than the latest switch build to me?
I still doubt that the Switch Demo everybody playe on the Switch Events was the newest one of the game. It was the old E3 demo and didnt seem to be optimized for the Switch.
The new trailer looks a lot better and I took some screenshots of it which look very good. But for whatever reason they dont show up in my posts.
The Switch has great graphics for a portable console, but when you dock it and play on a tv then it's probably lacking compared to a PS4/PS4 Pro, even an Xbox one.
Why did you... Reference a lower quality video of the same thing than the one I actually linked? The quality in the one you linked is shit. No wonder you can't see anything.
Was that supposed to convince me? It didnt. Tiny ass off screen video where you still cant see anything of significance for shit. But by all means carry on.
Was that supposed to convince me? It didnt. Tiny ass off screen video where you still cant see anything of significance for shit. But by all means carry on.
Haha. It just occurred to me that I'm watching all of this on a 50 inch tv. So.. The off screen video is not "tiny ass" at all. I can see how on a normal monitor it would be totally silly to try to use this to discern detail.
Also: No, it wasn't supposed to convince you at all. I don't care what you think. I just thought it was hilarious that you posted the same video that I did in a lower quality.
The Switch has great graphics for a portable console, but when you dock it and play on a tv then it's probably lacking compared to a PS4/PS4 Pro, even an Xbox one.
This thread is hilarious. People were expecting a tablet targeting the mainstream (I.e cheap as fuck) market to compete with PS4 / XB1, let alone flagship mobile devices with original MSRPs well over $500?
The TDP for the Tegra X1 is 10 watts, and likely only pulls that much when it's sucking juice from a wall outlet. Unless the dock is actively cooling the Switch, that's it for processing power - you're playing games on a plugged in tablet with the thermal constraints of a tablet. I want to see what 60 FPS 1080p+, open-world, as-good-or-better-than-last-gen-graphics games people are playing on their phones, along with the 3rd degree burns on their hands.
If you're upset that the Switch is a mobile device instead of a home console, I empathize with you. If you were expecting a tablet hybrid faster than the Wii U by an order of magnitude, I pity you. Consoles, regardless of the form factor, are cheap for a reason.
I can't wait for the Scorpio threads. Microsoft will slap in the lowest-binned 4-core Zen they can get, something comparable to a Haswell i3 at best, sell it for $399, and Gaf will STILL go apeshit. And even that would be a tremendous improvement over the bottom-of-the-barrel laptop junk in a PS4 Pro
of which I am a proud owner.
Personally, the Switch interests me because it's a tremendous improvement over the 3DS, but I'll likely hold out for one its revisions.
They need to show off more stuff other than the Great Plateau area to excite us about the art, the Zora Domain, the machinery areas and the desert areas in the trailer looked great for instance.
Hey, thanks for the advice! I hereby promise to maintain my standards.
Now, what should I do next? Cancel my preorder for the game? Or play it, but make sure to actively limit my enjoment of it by regularly remindig myself how its graphics do not meet my high standards? Or perhaps write a letter to Nintendo complaining about the textures?
They need to show off more stuff other than the Great Plateau area to excite us about the art, the Zora Domain, the machinery areas and the desert areas in the trailer looked great for instance.
This thread is hilarious. People were expecting a tablet targeting the mainstream (I.e cheap as fuck) market to compete with PS4 / XB1, let alone flagship mobile devices with original MSRPs well over $500?
The TDP for the Tegra X1 is 10 watts, and likely only pulls that much when it's sucking juice from a wall outlet. Unless the dock is actively cooling the Switch, that's it for processing power - you're playing games on a plugged in tablet with the thermal constraints of a tablet. I want to see what 60 FPS 1080p+, open-world, as-good-or-better-than-last-gen-graphics games people are playing on their phones, along with the 3rd degree burns on their hands.
If you're upset that the Switch is a mobile device instead of a home console, I empathize with you. If you were expecting a tablet hybrid faster than the Wii U by an order of magnitude, I pity you. Consoles, regardless of the form factor, are cheap for a reason.
I can't wait for the Scorpio threads. Microsoft will slap in the lowest-binned 4-core Zen they can get, something comparable to a Haswell i3 at best, sell it for $399, and Gaf will STILL go apeshit. And even that would be a tremendous improvement over the bottom-of-the-barrel laptop junk in a PS4 Pro
of which I am a proud owner.
Personally, the Switch interests me because it's a tremendous improvement over the 3DS, but I'll likely hold out for one its revisions.
I would agree if nintendos speaking and actions would not suggest this is a 90 % Wiiu replacement and not a 3ds and wiiu replacement.
I mean people going ape shit because of the SMT trailer (where we dont if its V btw.) with no release date meanwhile a new SMT game is annouced for the 3ds with no switch version
at this point of time it seems like a wii u + to me, a homeconsole that you can use as a handheld, only in more advanced then wiiu.
The Switch has great graphics for a portable console, but when you dock it and play on a tv then it's probably lacking compared to a PS4/PS4 Pro, even an Xbox one.
Vita had a ~28 gflops GPU, a 444MHZ Cortex A9 CPU with 3 core for games, 512MB RAM shared with the system and targeted 544p (but games were often sub res). PS3 had the 3.2GHZ Cell with 6-7 SPU for games, a ~220GFLOPS GPU and 512MB of RAM. The gap is enormous.
Switch has a 393gflops Maxwell 2 GPU with enhancements borrowed from Pascal, Vulkan API, a 4 core ARM A57 (or newer) CPU at 1.02GHZ and at least 3GB of RAM for games. This is compared to the 6 Jaguar cores at 1.6GHZ, 1.8tflops GCN 1.0 GPU and ~5GB of RAM for games on PS4.
If you weren't being sarcastic then i think that people's perception about the Switch is really fucked up.
You do have to consider that a lot of people believe that the PSVita was much more powerful than it really is. This is a combination of it being on a smaller screen and that we didn't know how underclocked the CPU and GPU are.
The former is also working in the Switch's favor: despite people being upset with the docked performance, people are getting blown away by how great the game looks on the portable screen.
The game has clean, readable surfaces that are pleasing to my eyes. The character and enemy art are beautiful. The lighting and atmosphere do their jobs great. Technologically it's not changing the world, but that has never been a factor in whether or not a game is graphically pretty in my opinion.
No 1080p hurts, expected but still hurts. I wish every console had a variant for 1080p 60fps for those of us who care and are willing to pay a premium.
I'm a bit more confident after watching the actual video and not just screenshots. I think the choice of zone didn't help ? Shots from a higher point/distance look particularly bad.
Nintendoom forces are activated 200% after the Switch event... Can wait to see the Switch success, is going to be fun. Also can wait for this game review thread. Good times are approaching.
I still doubt that the Switch Demo everybody playe on the Switch Events was the newest one of the game. It was the old E3 demo and didnt seem to be optimized for the Switch.
The new trailer looks a lot better and I took some screenshots of it which look very good. But for whatever reason they dont show up in my posts.
Apparently someone said the demo still references using the Wii U pad... not sure if that is true but if so, it wouldn't be the latest build. But with 7 weeks to go, it is kind of weird for them not have basically wrapped up and demoing the near final build.
I concede I hadn't seen this video. I watched a lot of IGN's videos, the demos with Bill and that... weird new girl who doesn't have a name*
This looks good. The saturation is certainly far better. But I think this video looks even better than what we just saw with DF. So then I'm even more conflicted. The old e3 wii u build somehow looks better than the latest switch build to me?
Like i said, it's because the footage is offscreen. Anyway none of the material you're seeing looks exactly like the game will on your tv, for better or worse.
Not official, it was posted by a gaffer that has access to DF uncompressed material. It's not going to look like that on your TV, as it's 900p footage blown out on a 1080p jpeg.
More importantly you probably don't watch a big screen from the same distance you watch your PC monitor. Still not the most flattering shot he could've picked, that bit certainly isn't the best looking part of the game (nor are the two other shots).
This is a combination of it being on a smaller screen and that we didn't know how underclocked the CPU and GPU are.
The former is also working in the Switch's favor: despite people being upset with the docked performance, people are getting blown away by how great the game looks on the portable screen.
