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(Gamesindustry) Nintendo Switch to sell 40M units through 2020 - DFC Intel. report

Busty

Banned
Given that the Switch's main competition for the kids market are iPads running Minecraft I hope Nintendo have something in their corner better than what they've shown thus far.

me thinks this is going to be a funny thread to revisit down the line

While you wait perhaps you might like to revisit all the WiiU threads before it launched? That was when Nintendo fans thought third party developers were in their corner and the Wii brand name was going to give them an easy victory.

Ahhhh, good times.
 

Toxi

Banned
Sorry, but Nintendo said it's a home gaming system first and foremost.
So yeah, it's a home console imho and it's priced as one.
It's a handheld and the majority of its sales potential is as a handheld. There's a reason the games people are expecting to sell it are primarily handheld titles like Pokemon. If those games weren't there, we'd be looking at Wii U 2.

It has virtually no support from third parties for home console games.
 
It would be nice if this is true, but with weak 3rd party support, a thin first-party lineup, the WiiU bomb lingering in people's minds, and no basic tablet features like Web browsing or video apps, I think that will be a huge challenge.
 

Raylan

Banned
I really don't understand what these kind of posts add to conversation. At this point it's trolling.

I guess my dell xps 15 and iPad aren't portable as neither fit in my back pocket.
It adds as much to the conversation as the "but the 3DS sold just as much" comments.
The Switch is not a handheld like the 3DS and it isn't portable as the 3DS. And Nintendo says it isn't a handheld, it's a home gaming system. So I'm a troll not for pointing that out? Yeah, right.

It's a hybrid. Come on step your game up lol.
It is what Nintendo said it is. And Nintendo said "Nintendo Switch is a home gaming system first and foremost."
 
I'm simply responding to the notion that 40 million is an unrealistic number, and that Nintendo isn't likely to have a successful platform again, which is a pessimistic view that doesn't accurately account for Nintendo's history.

Nintendo only has an exceptional history of success in the portable market. In the console market, they have been on a downward trend with the Wii being the sole exception. The NES and SNES were both successful, with the SNES selling less than the NES worldwide. The N64 was a failure all things considered, it came in 2nd place in the US, and 3rd place in Japan, and sold less than the SNES during an era where console ownership exploded. The GCN was in third place overall, and was considered a failure and sold less than the N64. The Wii U, another major failure that sold less than it's predecessor as well. The Wii did well, but had no legs on the hardware side, and did not have the software legs that the NES or SNES did, in fact first party wise there was a software drought the the end of the system's life even before it's successor was announced.

As far as portables, it's somewhat the opposite. It had one major failure, the Virtual Boy, but the GB sold gangbusters, the GBC sold less, but did very well. The GBA did great numbers, and the DS was the most successful system in the history of Nintendo. The 3DS is successful, but it will sell roughly half of what the DS did by the end of its life. The portable market as a whole is roughly 1/3 of what it was during the DS/PSP era.

So the only way the Switch succeeds is to sell to it's handheld market. The problem is that the price is just too damn high for that market. Will parents buy a Swtich for their kids just to play an updated Pokemon when the system is $299? The portable market, especially in the US is extremely price sensitive. The 3DS had to slash it's price within 4 months at $249, and the Vita never recovered from launching at that price, (though many considered that price a great value for the tech). I have trouble seeing the switch even approaching 3DS numbers launching at $299. The sweet spot for early portable pricing seems to be $199.

Of course the Switch is also a home console, or is being marketed that way. There the pricing isn't a whole lot better, as one can get a more powerful system with a pack in for less money. The Wii U tried a similar price during its launch and was killed by the 360 and PS3 which were cheaper, roughly as powerful, and had better libraries with packed in games.

I just don't see a way forward for Nintendo at their current price and software lineup. So yeah, 40 million is unrealistic without some big changes.
 
I don't think Nintendo's exclusives hold the power to attract non Nintendo fans to buy an expensive console without any 3rd party support, anymore.

So I don't see the Switch reaching those sales numbers.
 

LordRaptor

Member
The Switch is not a handheld like the 3DS and it isn't portable as the 3DS.

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So I'm a troll not for pointing that out?
 
It adds as much to the conversation as the "but the 3DS sold just as much" comments.
The Switch is not a handheld like the 3DS and it isn't portable as the 3DS. And Nintendo says it isn't a handheld, it's a home gaming system. So I'm a troll not for pointing that out? Yeah, right.


It is what Nintendo said it is. And Nintendo said "Nintendo Switch is a home gaming system first and foremost."

You're a troll for not acknowledging it's a portable system, yes. You have a hard time saying it so you can fit whatever argument you're trying to create. lol
 

Raylan

Banned
https://i.imgur.com/sLWyhFl.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Removed the Joy-Cons? Nice one.
[quote="Dark Cloud, post: 228761306"]You're a troll for not acknowledging it's a portable system, yes. You have a hard time saying it so you can fit whatever argument you're trying to create. lol[/QUOTE]
I'm simply repeating what Nintendo actually said.
 
Even 10 million by 2020 seems impossible. The reaction on GAF is what, 90-95% fiercely negative? You keep seeing people over and over say they are cancelling their preorders even. No way the first day will sell through with all those cancellations either at this point honestly.

1-1.5 mil of the initial 2 million day one sold out is a safe bet yeah?

If you're basing sales numbers off of GAF reactions you will be supremely disappointed. GAF has maybe 150,000 active users. It's not even the calcified remains of a drop in the bucket. It's nothing.
 

Crayon

Member
I'm still not sure why everyone thinks it's a such a disaster in the first place. I understand the bandwagon effect, but I don't know where the original thought came from. The switch looks basically appealing. More so than a wii u and more so than a 3ds. If you already have a ps4, switch can be more appealing than and xb1, as well.
 
It adds as much to the conversation as the "but the 3DS sold just as much" comments.
The Switch is not a handheld like the 3DS and it isn't portable as the 3DS. And Nintendo says it isn't a handheld, it's a home gaming system. So I'm a troll not for pointing that out? Yeah, right.


It is what Nintendo said it is. And Nintendo said "Nintendo Switch is a home gaming system first and foremost."

The first reveal of the device literally showed how it can be taken from the dock and used as a handheld. It was used in a park, on a plane, at an airport and in a taxi. It's a portable gaming device, as the 3DS was.

The 3DS comments add to the conversation as both systems are comparable. Both have weak launch line ups and are deemed to be expensive. There's discussion to be had their.

Arrogantly dismissing features of the device adds nothing to conversation.
 

Raylan

Banned
The first reveal of the device literally showed how it can be taken from the dock and used as a handheld. It was used in a park, on a plane, at an airport and in a taxi. It's a portable gaming device, as the 3DS was.

The 3DS comments add to the conversation as both systems are comparable. Both have weak launch line ups and are deemed to be expensive. There's discussion to be had their.

Arrogantly dismissing features of the device adds nothing to conversation.

It isn't comparable, because it's bigger, it's not as portable as a 3DS, it's mainly a home console (according to Nintendo) and it's way more expensive.
So the comparison (sales-wise) doesn't make any sense and sounds more like damage control or wishful thinking.
 

El Topo

Member
A general question that probably has been asked already, so apologies (as I have a slight headache), but how would that compare to the 3DS?
We have, from what I can tell, the shipped sales for that time frame, no?

Edit:
I misread things. Please ignore the original version of this post.
 

Toxi

Banned
I'm still not sure why everyone thinks it's a such a disaster in the first place. I understand the bandwagon effect, but I don't know where the original thought came from. The switch looks basically appealing. More so than a wii u and more so than a 3ds. If you already have a ps4, switch can be more appealing than and xb1, as well.
It's expensive for a handheld, has no third party support, and is another online subscription. The most appealing thing about it is that it will some day get the Nintendo handheld exclusives.
 
It isn't comparable, because it's bigger, it's not as portable as a 3DS, it's mainly a home console (according to Nintendo) and it's way more expensive.
So the comparison (sales-wise) doesn't make any sense and sounds more like damage control or wishful thinking.
Guess what price the 3DS launched at???
 
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Deleted member 752119

Unconfirmed Member
Both of those look equally uncomfortable. That's like saying an iPad mini isn't portable.

Just carry a bag or backpack lol.

While true, most people aren't going to want to add a dedicated gaming device to the iPad, phone etc they already lug around. Those devices are so popular as they cover a bunch of uses in one compact device vs having multiple gadgets.

The dedicated portable market has really shrank to 1) hardcore gamers that want "real" games at home and on the go, 2) the portable only crowd that lacks a tv or just doesn't have time to game at home, 3) kids that haven't gone mobile and 4) Fans of portable-only franchises like Pokemon or Monster Hunter that love the games regardless of whether they prefer/like portables or not.

It's an important market, and one where Nintendo has little competition, but I don't see the Swirch feature being a huge selling point outside of the above demographics. And the size could be offputting to some who like to take their portables with them in a jacket pocket or whatever. That's probably not a huge deal though compared to the shrinking market for dedicated portables outside of Japan in general.
 

LordRaptor

Member
Removed the Joy-Cons? Nice one.

Yes, because they're designed to be removed.
If you really want to die on this hill, you put the Switch in one pocket, and the joycons in the other pocket jfc.

Its in fact more portable than a 2DS is, or do you want to declare the 2DS not a portable too?
 
It will be under WiiU.

Nah, even if Nintendo doesn't launch a whole family of Switch SKUs (a cheaper handheld-only SKU and maybe even a dedicated TV console which all share the same games library except maybe the ones you need the detachable Joy cons to play them), it will still do much better than the WiiU.

20 million in almost 4 years seems to be possible.

40 milllion+ if they launch a (much) cheaper handheld-only SKU with integrated controller as replacement for the 3DS.
 

Ninja Dom

Member
Given that the Switch's main competition for the kids market are iPads running Minecraft I hope Nintendo have something in their corner better than what they've shown thus far.



While you wait perhaps you might like to revisit all the WiiU threads before it launched? That was when Nintendo fans thought third party developers were in their corner and the Wii brand name was going to give them an easy victory.

Ahhhh, good times.

Ah my favourite Username. If you never existed, I would be "Busty".

Minecraft coming to Switch too though, it's in the trailers.
 

mario_O

Member
For the 51st time:
* no more redundant shit in the Joy Cons
* actually no more Joy Cons, controls built into the device permanently
* smaller screen
* GPU cut down to top out at "undocked" performance profile

Those are the savings for a handheld-only Switch.
It's not about including the sub-5$ BOM dock or not. The handheld Switch implementation would be mechanically incompatible with the current dock to start with, and the only thing happening when you connect it to a USB-C of any sort would be the magic of battery charging taking place.

It beats the purpose of the Switch concept, but I can see this happening to lower the price to $170-200 for their handheld audience. Maybe they even have it planned all along. I mean its crazy for them to think they're going to sell same numbers the 3DS did with the Switch.
 
Nah, even if Nintendo doesn't launch a whole family of Switch SKUs (a cheaper handheld-only SKU and maybe even a dedicated TV console which all share the same games library except maybe the ones you need the detachable Joy cons to play them), it will still do much better than the WiiU.

20 million in almost 4 years seems to be possible.

40 milllion+ if they launch a (much) cheaper handheld-only SKU with integrated controller as replacement for the 3DS.

Yeah this is what i've been saying. A cheap/handheld sku is where the sales are going to be coming from.
 

Barryman

Member
Even 10 million by 2020 seems impossible. The reaction on GAF is what, 90-95% fiercely negative? You keep seeing people over and over say they are cancelling their preorders even. No way the first day will sell through with all those cancellations either at this point honestly.

1-1.5 mil of the initial 2 million day one sold out is a safe bet yeah?

This is foolish.
 

Raylan

Banned
Guess what price the 3DS launched at???
Yeah, the 3DS.... which is actually a handheld.... and sold like shit with its launch price.

Man, can't wait when 12 months (after the Switch launch) went by. Just to see the sales numbers.
40 million sold in 2020. lmao....Seriously.
 
It beats the purpose of the Switch concept, but I can see this happening to lower the price to $170-200 for their handheld audience. Maybe they even have it planned all along. I mean its crazy for them to think they're going to sell same numbers the 3DS did with the Switch.

The 2DS beats the purpose of the 3DS by having no 3D...this means nothing. The Switch can be a family of systems for all we know. We have no clue what Nintendo is planning on as far as revisions, upgrades or SCD's go.
 

killroy87

Member
While true, most people aren't going to want to add a dedicated gaming device to the iPad, phone etc they already lug around. Those devices are so popular as they cover a bunch of uses in one compact device vs having multiple gadgets.

The dedicated portable market has really shrank to 1) hardcore gamers that want "real" games at home and on the go, 2) the portable only crowd that lacks a tv or just doesn't have time to game at home, 3) kids that haven't gone mobile and 4) Fans of portable-only franchises like Pokemon or Monster Hunter that love the games regardless of whether they prefer/like portables or not.

It's an important market, and one where Nintendo has little competition, but I don't see the Swirch feature being a huge selling point outside of the above demographics. And the size could be offputting to some who like to take their portables with them in a jacket pocket or whatever. That's probably not a huge deal though compared to the shrinking market for dedicated portables outside of Japan in general.

People say this, and I'm 100% sure it's conjecture. Like, what are you basing this on? Who are these "people" who would find this so difficult?

My point is that the 3DS, while slightly smaller than the Switch, managed to exist just fine as a "portable" system, and people didn't seem to have aneurysms trying to figure out how to carry it around.

I just don't know what's so difficult, and to everyone speaking on behalf of what "the people" want, I'd like to see how your personal market research stacks up to Nintendo's.
 

Duxxy3

Member
Yes, because they're designed to be removed.
If you really want to die on this hill, you put the Switch in one pocket, and the joycons in the other pocket jfc.

Its in fact more portable than a 2DS is, or do you want to declare the 2DS not a portable too?

I'm not remotely afraid of damaging a 2DS though. The sides of the system aren't going to accidentally come off and get lost.

And if the system does get destroyed it's not a big loss.
 

LordRaptor

Member
To be fair, the 3DSXL is almost laughably huge and I wouldn't consider it a pocketable device.

This guy though? Perfection.

I said in another topic, the market has already decided on the screen size versus pocketability argument in favour of screen size, and not just in gaming devices
 

Theonik

Member
Why are people comparing it to 3DS sales anyway. That console flopped HARD until they butchered the price to $170 which lost them tons of money. I also wouldn't call it a huge success considering it managed to lose them a huge chunk of their audience from DS either.

Being a hybrid marketed as console first isn't necessarily a good thing.
 
While true, most people aren't going to want to add a dedicated gaming device to the iPad, phone etc they already lug around. Those devices are so popular as they cover a bunch of uses in one compact device vs having multiple gadgets.

The dedicated portable market has really shrank to 1) hardcore gamers that want "real" games at home and on the go, 2) the portable only crowd that lacks a tv or just doesn't have time to game at home, 3) kids that haven't gone mobile and 4) Fans of portable-only franchises like Pokemon or Monster Hunter that love the games regardless of whether they prefer/like portables or not.

It's an important market, and one where Nintendo has little competition, but I don't see the Swirch feature being a huge selling point outside of the above demographics. And the size could be offputting to some who like to take their portables with them in a jacket pocket or whatever. That's probably not a huge deal though compared to the shrinking market for dedicated portables outside of Japan in general.

How do you know so much? You can see the future? I'm just wondering because you don't know how it will play out.
 

arcticice

Member
There will always be market for Switch due to its exclusives and portability. However, Nintendo's anti-consumer stance this time around is really bothering me
 
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