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PoliGAF 2017 |OT1| From Russia with Love

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Pixieking

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Plinko said:
All I have is faith that this past election shook them up and that the new DNC leadership makes this a top priority.

And, to be fair, she had months and STILL she/the campaign couldn't come up with a concise, understandable explanation for the private server issue. It was one of her worst debate moments. All messaging.
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Yeah. Fair. Gotta have faith.

(Fuck, forgot George Michael died recently)

When's the DNC leadership election again?
 
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Nazgul_Hunter

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Plinko said:
All I have is faith that this past election shook them up and that the new DNC leadership makes this a top priority.
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My biggest fear of a Hillary presidency was that the DNC wouldn't change and would get shellacked in 2018, 2020 and lose out on being able to redistrict more fairly.

President Trump is a not worth the price to pay, but I think the DNC might come out way stronger out of this now.
 
Emerson

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For what it's worth, at least two republicans in committee suggested they would possibly vote no in full Senate vote.
 
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Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
Atomic Playboy said:
This has certainly been true in the past. But if people get angry enough, they start opening up to mindless obstructionism. Democrats right now feel how Fox News viewers have felt for the past 20 years. When you have someone stoking that blind, seething rage, you stop caring about rationality, which is why logical appeals about Trump's complete unpreparedness for the Presidency fell on deaf ears. Those people were filled with righteous anger. Now the anger is sliding over to people on the left. And when liberals get filled with that rage, they aren't going to give a damn whether or not Trump puts forward a reasonable policy; the rage will cloud their judgment as it has on the right for decades. Trump could come out with a proposal that ends all student debt and makes college free forever and a lot of liberals would oppose it just because "fuck Trump." Honestly, at this point, I think liberals are ready for their representatives to obstruct any GOP action on anything; the rage feels palpable.
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Of course, Dem lawmakers already seem to be doing a good job of fucking things up before voters may get a chance to:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...e-Court-They-must-want-to-destroy-their-party
 
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balladofwindfishes

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If I were the GOP, I'd let DeVos take the fall and get denied, so others like Tillerson and Sessions can get in. Democrats can pat themselves on the back, job well done, and the GOP gets the rest of the people they want who are far worse.
 
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dramatis

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There is a situation in which I would be okay with the Democrats voting yea on the nominee, and that's if the nominee is Merrick Garland.
 
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IggyChooChoo

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kirblar said:
Yup. His weak-willed response to Russia, Comey, etc. helped set up what happened. They're not wrong to be mad, even if they are at fault as well.
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In a close loss, everyone can claim their pet issue was the deciding factor. I don't see much point in arguing one thing over another.
 
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dramatis said:
There is a situation in which I would be okay with the Democrats voting yea on the nominee, and that's if the nominee is Merrick Garland.
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It won't be. You might as well speculate on what if Obama was nominated.

Your best case scenario is Hardiman, and you'd be a fool to oppose that one.
 
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tbm24

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Plinko said:
All I have is faith that this past election shook them up and that the new DNC leadership makes this a top priority.

And, to be fair, she had months and STILL she/the campaign couldn't come up with a concise, understandable explanation for the private server issue. It was one of her worst debate moments. All messaging.
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There really was no concise understandable explanation for it which was the main issue. No matter what they would have come up with, Comey's bullshit ensured it would never be something she could effectively side step. That's a reality she had to contend with.
 
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Zukkoyaki

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Emerson said:
It won't be. You might as well speculate on what if Obama was nominated.

Your best case scenario is Hardiman, and you'd be a fool to oppose that one.
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Agreed. I read that article as Dems keeping their options open. Obstructing certain things is good but a scorched-earth, obstruct anything and everything approach could bite them.
 
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dramatis

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Emerson said:
It won't be. You might as well speculate on what if Obama was nominated.

Your best case scenario is Hardiman, and you'd be a fool to oppose that one.
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I know. I am making a probably too subtle agreement with you, because what if Trump actually nominates Garland? Is the left going to throw a fit if the Dems in Congress don't vote against him?

We have to wait and see.
 
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Pixieking

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Oblivion said:
Of course, Dem lawmakers already seem to be doing a good job of fucking things up before voters may get a chance to:

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...e-Court-They-must-want-to-destroy-their-party
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That's the most marginal "story" I've ever read. "Random rant", more like.

More on-point, what're people gonna do if Bannon picks a left-wing judge for SCOTUS. Expect the Dems to sit-out on it? Cry when politicians do political things, cos they're a bunch of naive whiners? It'd be a way to ensure Roe stays, and that alone...

I mean, sure, it's unlikely, but it would sow confusion and dissent amongst the Dem politicians and base, and Trump/Bannon/Miller could easily assume that they'll get another shot during the next 4 years.

Edit: Beaten. :p
 
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Ziltoidia 9

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Plinko said:
All I have is faith that this past election shook them up and that the new DNC leadership makes this a top priority.

And, to be fair, she had months and STILL she/the campaign couldn't come up with a concise, understandable explanation for the private server issue. It was one of her worst debate moments. All messaging.
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I believe the emails effected two different segments. The DNC releases affected the dems, where as her emails from SoS days effected mostly the swing voters at the very end. I don't think the Bernie follows ever cared about her SoS emails, at least not more than a few percent. The only emails that would have swung the race would have been the SoS ones, and the Comey letter at the very end which started a a huge switch in the polls were based on the SoS ones.

She didn't have a good response for the DNC/Podesta ones though. Just saying it was the Russians didn't fix what they showed.
 
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BoboBrazil

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Trump met with pharma lobbyists for 10 seconds and then immediately decided that we shouldn't negotiate drug prices.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/31/14453740/trump-medicare-prescription-drugs

This was one of his only consistent ideas of the entire campaign and pharma lobbyists managed to convince him it was bad in one meeting, lmao.
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The rich get richer. His only campaign promises he is keeping are the horrible shit alot of his voters thought he would actually never go through with.
 
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Dems objecting to the use of a vote by proxy for Hatch which seems to factually make the vote 11-11 by the rules of committee, but Chairman arguing the objection is invalid unless it was done literally immediately after Hatch's proxy vote. Murray objected immediately after the full vote was complete.
 
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Pixieking

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Ziltoidia 9 said:
I believe the emails effected two different segments. The DNC releases affected the dems, where as her emails from SoS days effected mostly the swing voters at the very end. I don't think the Bernie follows ever cared about her SoS emails, at least not more than a few percent. The only emails that would have swung the race would have been the SoS ones, and the Comey letter at the very end which started a a huge switch in the polls were based on the SoS ones.

She didn't have a good response for the DNC/Podesta ones though. Just saying it was the Russians didn't fix what they showed.
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Personally I blame the voters on this.

An email hack is deep, yeah? Unless you've just got literally one or two emails, then the answers surrounding what was released are going to depend. "Public and private faces" is one answer. "It's just a fucking risotto recipe you dumbasses!" is another. "It's a letter asking how we can help this child bride" is another. "It's an email asking how I tape The Good Wife" is another...

And already we're in way way deeper than the average voter cares about politics, I think. Ignorance played a large part.

Bah! Anyways, sorry - not trying to relitigate the election. Will stop now. :p
 
smokeymicpot

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Well Trumps raid didn't go well at all.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/seal-american-girl-die-first-trump-era-u-s-military-n714346

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nature boy

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GOP panel chairman defends his staff working on Trump immigration order


House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte defended his staff's secret work on President Donald Trump's immigration executive order during a closed-door GOP conference meeting on Tuesday, sources in the room told Politico.

The Virginia Republican told lawmakers that he approved his staff to work for the Trump transition team. He said his staff gave policy advice but their work for Trump officials ended on Jan. 20, the day of the inauguration.

He also told lawmakers his staff had no input on the timing or the rollout of the immigration order, which bans travelers from seven predominantly Muslim countries and halts the refugee program.
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LOL at people expecting them to be fired.
 
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sc0la

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I'm fine if the dems don't jam up votes on cabinet. Be harsh at the hearings AND vote NO for confirmation (and no on committee).

Let him have his shit cabinet, save the bright red lines of resistance for SC and his policy votes.
 
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Oblivion

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sc0la said:
I'm fine if the dems don't jam up votes on cabinet. Be harsh at the hearings AND vote NO for confirmation (and no on committee).

Let him have his shit cabinet, save the bright red lines of resistance for SC and his policy votes.
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Totally agreed.
 
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Carpe Libertatem

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sc0la said:
I'm fine if the dems don't jam up votes on cabinet. Be harsh at the hearings AND vote NO for confirmation (and no on committee).

Let him have his shit cabinet, save the bright red lines of resistance for SC and his policy votes.
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Unfortunately a lot of people think otherwise, don't understand how our government works, see Trump's nominees pass, then ask "why didn't the spineless Democrats do anything???"

What you're saying is absolutely appropriate. And go harder on deVos and Sessions, too.
 
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I have a question unrelated to any current events going on.

Basically, I haven't been able to avoid getting ahead of myself and looking at the 2020 election. One of the things I keep wondering about is that, given the shifting demographics in various states, what are the chances of states like Texas and Georgia (and any other states moving towards a switch) actually switching from red to blue in 2020?
 
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Zukkoyaki

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Trickster said:
I have a question unrelated to any current events going on.

Basically, I haven't been able to avoid getting ahead of myself and looking at the 2020 election. One of the things I keep wondering about is that, given the shifting demographics in various states, what are the chances of states like Texas and Georgia (and any other states moving towards a switch) actually switching from red to blue in 2020?
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If Trump somehow manages to implement his 20% tariff on Mexico, I could legit see blue Texas in 2020.
 
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crooked spin

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Are there any reputable sources that cover the issue of "Trump's muslim ban is the same thing that Obama did"? All I can find on google is the Mirror and I want something better.
 
smokeymicpot

smokeymicpot

Beat EviLore at pool.
Dierce said:
Mother fucking trump. This is precisely what he said he would do during the campaign. That he would commit war crimes by having the families of terrorists murdered.


Orange fascist is no different than a terrorists. Fucking disgusting piece of filth.
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Just don't get the killing of children. Completely fucked up and will be used as a tool to get more people to join al qaeda. This and the ban should be no problem.
 
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Apathy

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Trump is turning the supreme court nomination tonight into some new racket TV show. Jews getting two judges to show up to DC so people can't guess which one he's going with and he's going on prime time to announce it like he's back on the apprentice
 
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Dierce

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crooked spin said:
Are there any reputable sources that cover the issue of "Trump's muslim ban is the same thing that Obama did"? All I can find on google is the Mirror and I want something better.
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Just tell the people who mention it to go to hell. They are deplorable imbeciles, especially if they realize that it's the wrong thing to do since they are looking for an excuse to justify their lack of morality.

We shouldn't use evidence against these right wing monsters, we are past that. It does us no good.
 
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Bonen no Max'd

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Trickster said:
I have a question unrelated to any current events going on.

Basically, I haven't been able to avoid getting ahead of myself and looking at the 2020 election. One of the things I keep wondering about is that, given the shifting demographics in various states, what are the chances of states like Texas and Georgia (and any other states moving towards a switch) actually switching from red to blue in 2020?
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Don't get your hopes up, demographic changes are slow and states usually move politically much faster. The battlegrounds will almost definitely be PA, WI, MI, NC, FL, and maybe AZ.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
To nobody's surprise, Paul Ryan is trying hard to get GOP to back the Muslim ban.

Because he's a terrible person.
 
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