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After latest Trump threat to send the feds to Chicago, Mayor responds, "Send them."

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At today's "listening session" in "honor" of Black History Month, Trumpito the Cheeto Pepito took yet another opportunity to talk about a city he doesn't fucking understand - Chicago.

via Chicagoist

Sitting at a table of black community leaders, many of whom work in Trump's administration, Darrell Scott, a Pastor of Ohio's New Spirit Revival Center and a member of Trump's transition team, told the president that "top gang thugs" in Chicago had reached out to him personally due to his affiliation with Trump.

"I was recently contacted by some of the top gang thugs in Chicago for a sit down, they reached out to me because they associated me with you, they respect you, they believe in what you're doing, and they want to have a sit down about that body count," he said. "So in a couple of weeks I'm going to go to Chicago ... straight street guys, they're going to commit that if they lower that body count, we're going to go in and bring them some social programs. They want to work with this administration."

"They reached out, I didn't reach out to them," he added. "They didn't believe in the prior administration."

Trump responded to Scott's comments approvingly.

"We're going to have to do something about Chicago, because what's happening in Chicago should not be happening in this country," he said.

Calling the city's violence ”totally out of control," Trump added that, if Chicagoans don't curb the city's violence problem themselves, "we'll solve the problem for them." Trump, who Tweeted last week that he would possibly "send in the feds" to Chicago, has been very low on details about how exactly he would help "solve" Chicago's decades-long, entrenched gun and gang violence problems. But some have interpreted his comments to mean he would send the National Guard to Chicago.

Now, enter Chicago Mayor Rahm Emmanuel, who is a scumbag in his own right, but not quite on the same level. He held a press conference today, and in response to the aforementioned, said:

"Send more FBI, DEA, ATF agents," Emanuel said, according to NBC. "We don't have to talk about it anymore. Just send them." Emanuel said "no" when asked if he wants Trump to come to Chicago, adding "What I would really like is the federal resources."

Now, Emmanuel is not the guy you want solving these problems. If you don't recall, he pressured the former "top cop" to keep footage of Laquan McDonald being shot by the police under wraps until after the mayoral election. But Emmanuel is also notoriously flippant about shit like this, so he may have just said that out of exasperation.

Either way, as a Chicagoan, shit like this gets me exceedingly nervous. We already have a police force guilty of countless infringements against the constitutional rights of our citizens. How much longer is it going to be until we have "special task forces" doing "whatever it takes to keep our streets safe?"

There's no doubt that Chicago has problems - anyone who lives here will admit that. But what we don't need is goose-steppers with fascism boners cracking heads. We need to rebuild the infrastructure on the south and west sides that leaves people with no way to commute around town for jobs. We need schools with actual resources so that we can bring up our graduation rates and get these kids into college. We need to fix the income inequality that allows for dozens of new development projects in the Loop but leaves countless neighborhoods without a fucking grocery store. We need to reverse course on the purposeful segregation taking place so that no matter your background, you can move to a "good area."

And again, make no mistake - this obsession that Trump has with Chicago has nothing to do with our homicides. If Trump was worried about murders per capita, he'd probably be focusing on the 10+ cities that are worse off than we are. He has our city's name stuck in his teeth for two reasons:

1. President Obama called Chicago his home, proudly, and Trump has an obsession with him.

2. Chicago kicked his ass out when he came here on the campaign trail, and he got scared.

Make no mistake. This is not the last we hear about this.


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UPDATE - 2/2/2017

"Now let me say this: I misspoke somewhat when I said gang thugs. Let's say former gang thugs, former gang thugs, but these gentlemen still have their hands on the pulse of the street. They still have very highly respected voices in the community. They have a great degree of influence in the community and on the streets. So, they're not current gang thugs. They're former gang thugs, but they once again still have a voice in the streets. I want to make that plain. Their words carry weight."

Why does he keep saying "gang thugs?" If you're in a gang, you're a thug. If you're a thug, you're in a gang. What are these non-thug gangs? Who are these thugs who don't have gangs to call home? Can someone get Shifty or D-Money on the line to help us set the record straight?

Anyway, here are some tweets from the guy with his finger on the pulse of over-the-hill gang thugs everywhere.

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And a response from Jedidiah Brown, a guy who actually lives in Chicago and works with these communities.

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GuyKazama

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Good. If the FBI or other 'feds' help to improve Chicago's murder clearance rate, that is at least a start at tackling the problem.
 
How did Rahm become '08 Obama's chief of staff? Did he strong arm him? I've never read a good thing about Rahm.

And good job OP, this Chicago obsession is probably about Obama.
 

Apathy

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sounds like another case of "shit that never happened"

Edit: clarify the guy associated with trump getting a call from gang leaders
 
Oh, Rahm. Dude has a long history of outright hating black people and loving police as "Mayor." Common thug more than happy to suck up to Trump.
 

smurfx

get some go again
How did Rahm become '08 Obama's chief of staff? Did he strong arm him? I've never read a good thing about Rahm.

And good job OP, this Chicago obsession is probably about Obama.
all i remember about him is that he was supposed to be tough behind the scenes and would whip democrats into shape. seems about right since obama seemed to always lash out on democrats opposing him while bending over the first 4 years for the republicans.
 

Bowler

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My best friend from Chicago, who lives there, says that most people are so sick and tired of the bullshit, when whole neighborhoods are in constant fear, that a curfew and a police presence on every street corner is needed for the short term. Long term you are correct. Those are valid responces that will help, and the city wants to do those things.

But again literally out of his mouth he said " they need a fucking army here to stop the gang warfare right now"
 

ahoyhoy

Unconfirmed Member
Dude really really REALLY wants to somehow lower the murder rate so he can say to Obama: "I'm better at fixing your hometown than you are!"
 

jtb

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How did Rahm become '08 Obama's chief of staff? Did he strong arm him? I've never read a good thing about Rahm.

And good job OP, this Chicago obsession is probably about Obama.

Nah, I think his arm-twisting is a very effective and valuable political trait when on a legistlative/fundraising/etc. level, but a horrible quality to have when you're the executive that needs to be held accountable.

Mayor was a very bad fit for Rahm, and brought out the worst of his political opportunism.
 

kirblar

Member
all i remember about him is that he was supposed to be tough behind the scenes and would whip democrats into shape. seems about right since obama seemed to always lash out on democrats opposing him while bending over the first 4 years for the republicans.
Emmanuel was Chief of Staff. He got fired for suggesting they drop the ACA.

Everything is a bad fit for Rahm because he's not actually interested in doing anything w/ power once he has it.
 

Arkeband

Banned
Dude really really REALLY wants to somehow lower the murder rate so he can say to Obama: "I'm better at fixing your hometown than you are!"

Trump doesn't actually give half a fuck about Chicago, he just wants to keep bringing it up because it reminds his voting base that it's an anomaly and oh, by the way, that's also where Obama is from!

The idea that "top gang thugs" are calling a pastor tangentially related to Trump in order to negotiate 'body counts' is utterly ridiculous.
 

Brandon F

Well congratulations! You got yourself caught!
Now, Emmanuel is not the guy you want solving these problems. If you don't recall, he pressured the former "top cop" to keep footage of Laquan McDonald being shot by the police under wraps until after the mayoral election. But Emmanuel is also notoriously flippant about shit like this, so he may have just said that out of exasperation.

Either way, as a Chicagoan, shit like this gets me exceedingly nervous. We already have a police force guilty of countless infringements against the constitutional rights of our citizens. How much longer is it going to be until we have "special task forces" doing "whatever it takes to keep our streets safe?"

There's no doubt that Chicago has problems - anyone who lives here will admit that. But what we don't need is goose-steppers with fascism boners cracking heads. We need to rebuild the infrastructure on the south and west sides that leaves people with no way to commute around town for jobs. We need schools with actual resources so that we can bring up our graduation rates and get these kids into college. We need to fix the income inequality that allows for dozens of new development projects in the Loop but leaves countless neighborhoods without a fucking grocery store. We need to reverse course on the purposeful segregation taking place so that no matter your background, you can move to a "good area."

And again, make no mistake - this obsession that Trump has with Chicago has nothing to do with our homicides. If Trump was worried about murders per capita, he'd probably be focusing on the 10+ cities that are worse off than we are. He has our city's name stuck in his teeth for two reasons:

1. President Obama called Chicago his home, proudly, and Trump has an obsession with him.

2. Chicago kicked his ass out when he came here on the campaign trail, and he got scared.

Make no mistake. This is not the last we hear about this.

As a former Chicagoan myself, well put.
 

Viewt

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Good. If the FBI or other 'feds' help to improve Chicago's murder clearance rate, that is at least a start at tackling the problem.

Improving our homicide clearance rate would be great, sure. But it'd still just be attacking a symptom, and not the real problem. You've got communities here where, just based on where your house is, you're automatically "affiliated," regardless of whether not you actually want to BE in that gang.

And these gangs aren't like they were decades ago. They're tiny offshoots looking to control a few blocks here and there. So they're constantly talking shit about each other on Twitter/Instagram and around the neighborhoods, leading to these frequent shootings, often involving random passers-by getting caught in the action.

And I know I've said this a thousand times, but this stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. The reason these kids on the south and west sides get sucked into gang life isn't because of any "cultural weakness" or "lack of a father figure," or whatever, it's because these communities have no resources, and often, have no hope. I've never tasted the kind of desperation that these people feel every day, just trying to survive. Can I honestly say that, if I grew up with the same hardships, I'd be any different? I don't think I can.

So we bring in the National Guard, let them go nuts in Englewood, West Garfield Park, Hermosa, etc.? All that does is temporarily halt the violence statistics as neighborhoods are razed and people (largely of color) are harassed and beaten into a slumber. Then all of these National Guardsmen and FBI agents leave, and what's going to happen? Things are going to go right back to the way they were beforehand, because we haven't addressed the root causes.

I'd rather they spend all of the money that'd go to organizing and strategizing, and just invest in these communities. But we all know that ain't gonna happen.

Isn't there like four other cities with higher murder rates anyway? Maybe start looking into that.

More than four.

Here is 24/7 Wall Street's Top 25 list of the cities with the highest murder rates:

1 St. Louis, MO
2 Baltimore, MD
3 Detroit, MI
4 New Orleans, LA
5 Birmingham, AL
6 Jackson, MS
7 Baton Rouge, LA
8 Hartford, CT
9 Salinas, CA
10 Milwaukee, WI
11 Washington, DC
12 Kansas City, MO
13 Cincinnati, OH
14 West Palm Beach, FL
15 Memphis, TN
16 San Bernadino, CA
17 Oakland, CA
18 Atlanta, GA
19 Richmond, VA
20 Kansas City, KS
21 Pittsburgh, PA
22 Dayton, OH
23 Philadelphia, PA
24 Chicago, IL
25 North Charleston, SC

You haven't heard shit about anyone marching into Birmingham, Alabama, though, have you?
 

LionPride

Banned
And yet again in this topic we got people who actually believe that sending in national guard or someone will solve the problem

Tragic

That won't solve the problem, especially not when most of the crime happens in one area, and everyone knows this. Send federal resources, have ways to keep people active after school instead of out, just need ways to help people this way. But keep peddling the narrative that sending in someone will solve anything and won't just make things worse.
 
Huh.

So, Barack Obama, a black man from Chicago, a community organizer who's been dealing with black issues since before we knew who he was, the "top gang thugs" don't believe in him when he becomes President, but they believe in thieving faith pastors and the Trump administration?

That sounds totally legit.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Can't say that I really blame Rahm Emmanuel for having a "put up or shut up" attitude regarding Trump.
 

Boke1879

Member
Huh.

So, Barack Obama, a black man from Chicago, a community organizer who's been dealing with black issues since before we knew who he was, the "top gang thugs" don't believe in him when he becomes President, but they believe in thieving faith pastors and the Trump administration?

That sounds totally legit.

My third time saying this. FUCK those black "faith" leaders for straight up lying like that. Everything they said was straight up ridiculous and anyone with a brain could tell none of that shit happened.
 
What if we sent in cash instead of tanks? The federal government helps the city test out a basic income plan to help that everyone in the city had money for rent, clothes, food, and school.

Instead of soldiers we send in teachers, and doctors....

Wait that would mean we would have to tax the wealthy...fuck it send in the tanks and just shoot them instead. Martial law is the best way to improve society anyway.
 
My third time saying this. FUCK those black "faith" leaders for straight up lying like that. Everything they said was straight up ridiculous and anyone with a brain could tell none of that shit happened.

It's shameful.

People close to me had some choice words about that news that I won't repeat here.
 

Boke1879

Member
It's shameful.

People close to me had some choice words about that news that I won't repeat here.

Despicable. Literally sold themselves out to push whatever agenda, and on top of it straight up lie. I was at work and saw that on the news and shut that shit off.
 

Rembrandt

Banned
My best friend from Chicago, who lives there, says that most people are so sick and tired of the bullshit, when whole neighborhoods are in constant fear, that a curfew and a police presence on every street corner is needed for the short term. Long term you are correct. Those are valid responces that will help, and the city wants to do those things.

But again literally out of his mouth he said " they need a fucking army here to stop the gang warfare right now"

Where does your friend live?
 
Here's a radical thought. Maybe get the south side some education funding, put some money in job creation, rebuild the infrastructure.

Make the place livable and maybe the hangs will die on their own like they do everywhere else.
 

Viewt

Member
And yet again in this topic we got people who actually believe that sending in national guard or someone will solve the problem

Tragic

That won't solve the problem, especially not when most of the crime happens in one area, and everyone knows this. Send federal resources, have ways to keep people active after school instead of out, just need ways to help people this way. But keep peddling the narrative that sending in someone will solve anything and won't just make things worse.

It fucking works! And specifically, we know it works in Chicago. All of the data we need is available. We have a goddamn proof of concept.

All we need is a chance. That's all it's going to take.

But somehow that is the one thing that's impossible to consider in this situation.
 

Boke1879

Member
My best friend from Chicago, who lives there, says that most people are so sick and tired of the bullshit, when whole neighborhoods are in constant fear, that a curfew and a police presence on every street corner is needed for the short term. Long term you are correct. Those are valid responces that will help, and the city wants to do those things.

But again literally out of his mouth he said " they need a fucking army here to stop the gang warfare right now"

You bring in the army and it's only use it to fight a war. I highly doubt this will do anything but make matters worse. If anything you may get the gang to temporarily unify in order to fight the army. The people in these gangs are fearless. They don't care. And if they feel they are being occupied the fight back.

Most of all. I don't trust Donald Trump and Emporer Bannon with something like this at all. You set a dangerous precedent with something like this.
 

Flo_Evans

Member
Improving our homicide clearance rate would be great, sure. But it'd still just be attacking a symptom, and not the real problem. You've got communities here where, just based on where your house is, you're automatically "affiliated," regardless of whether not you actually want to BE in that gang.

And these gangs aren't like they were decades ago. They're tiny offshoots looking to control a few blocks here and there. So they're constantly talking shit about each other on Twitter/Instagram and around the neighborhoods, leading to these frequent shootings, often involving random passers-by getting caught in the action.

And I know I've said this a thousand times, but this stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. The reason these kids on the south and west sides get sucked into gang life isn't because of any "cultural weakness" or "lack of a father figure," or whatever, it's because these communities have no resources, and often, have no hope. I've never tasted the kind of desperation that these people feel every day, just trying to survive. Can I honestly say that, if I grew up with the same hardships, I'd be any different? I don't think I can.

So we bring in the National Guard, let them go nuts in Englewood, West Garfield Park, Hermosa, etc.? All that does is temporarily halt the violence statistics as neighborhoods are razed and people (largely of color) are harassed and beaten into a slumber. Then all of these National Guardsmen and FBI agents leave, and what's going to happen? Things are going to go right back to the way they were beforehand, because we haven't addressed the root causes.

I'd rather they spend all of the money that'd go to organizing and strategizing, and just invest in these communities. But we all know that ain't gonna happen.



More than four.



You haven't heard shit about anyone marching into Birmingham, Alabama, though, have you?

As someone from St. Louis, that list is kind of BS.

The per capita crime rates are always kind of screwy based on how many people actually live in "the city"


Chicago 2015 said:
> Murder rate: 17.5 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 478
> Violent crime rate: 903.8 per 100,000
> Population: 2,728,695

St. Louis 2015 said:
> Murder rate: 59.3 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 188
> Violent crime rate: 1,817.1 per 100,000
> Population: 317,095

Chicago is not 8 times bigger than St. Louis. There was also 762 murders in 2016 in Chicago.
 

whytemyke

Honorary Canadian.
For those not familiar with Chicago, Rahm is the brother of Ari Emmanuel, the same Hollywood agent that Jeremy Piven portrayed in Entourage.

So if right now you're wondering if ol' Uncle Whytemyke here would love to be a fly on the wall in a room where Rahm and Trump throw verbal punches, the answer is unequivocally yes.
 

Horns

Member
Or you know, the federal government could help fix federal gun laws and fund something called science to help better inform politicians and the public about firearms? Call me crazy. I've only spent a decade performing federal research so what do I know.
 

Lowmelody

Member
they're going to commit that if they lower that body count, we're going to go in and bring them some social programs. They want to work with this administration."

If those social programs were there in the first place we wouldn't have them contingent on the cooperation of "top gang thugs". It's a goddamn intentional cycle, not an accidental one. Those with (white) power knowingly withhold the solution to a problem until they solve the problem. Can't win because they don't want you to win, just fight for scraps so normalcy and equality (continues to) appear to be an idealistic pipe dream.
 

Abounder

Banned
Can't help but bring up that this is the city that Obama & Co. wanted to host the Olympics at. Maybe they would've gotten the feds much earlier, godspeed to that vicious cycle of revenge killings
 

Biske

Member
Ah thank god... I'm glad we've finally got the top gang thugs to sit down at the table.

I hear they realized diplomacy was the answer when they encountered Ben Carson on the streets, tried to stab him, but were, as we all could have expected, deterred by his belt buckle of justice, and realized, talking it out was the only way.
 
what other cities go over 700 in a year?
No other city approaches Chicago's scale, but they're referring to the murder rate per capita. Of course this also ignores that the majority of Chicago's murders and gun violence occur in isolated pockets and those pockets are what people talk about when they're referring to the city's problems. Not the entirety of Chicago.

St. Louis, the #1 city on that list, had 188 murders last year. Chicago's Austin had almost half of that by itself with just a population of 98k.
 

Thoraxes

Member
No other city approaches Chicago's scale, but they're referring to the murder rate per capita. Of course this also ignores that the majority of Chicago's murders and gun violence occur in isolated pockets and those pockets are what people talk about when they're referring to the city's problems. Not the entirety of Chicago.

St. Louis, the #1 city on that list, had 188 murders last year. Chicago's Austin had almost half of that by itself with just a population of 98k.

Yeah. A lot of people think it's the city proper that has the violence when really the neighborhood lines more towards the west are where that stuff occurs the most.
 

Rival

Gold Member
No other city approaches Chicago's scale, but they're referring to the murder rate per capita. Of course this also ignores that the majority of Chicago's murders and gun violence occur in isolated pockets and those pockets are what people talk about when they're referring to the city's problems. Not the entirety of Chicago.

St. Louis, the #1 city on that list, had 188 murders last year. Chicago's Austin had almost half of that by itself with just a population of 98k.

Yep. The overwhelming majority of the city is incredibly "safe" for a city the size of Chicago. The areas where the majority of the murders occur, if looked at as their own smaller cities, rival the worst places anywhere. These areas certainly could benefit from increased federal assistance. But the answer isn't just sending in the guard or hundreds of police. A lot of those areas have a huge mistrust of police. (Rightfully so) One thing I know is that Rahm does not have the answers on how to fix it.
 
Don't say much in these threads, Live in Chicago, talk with people and tbh, People want this craziness eliminated and are ready for drastic measures. The need for an instant crackdown and resources to fix the problem is very high on the list. Another thing that people need to realize. is that they need to stop lumping the good people in with the bad. There's about 1800 people causing the carnage, it is carnage. After school programs aren't going to help these people, these people took advantage of the wake of laquan Mcdonald These dudes are shooters, they need containment and mental health resources. you cant handle them like the regular population. My neighbors nephews died a few weeks ago, they lived elsewhere in the city, but not too far from us. Some people were looking for one of them, they lured him outside, shot him up, the other nephew heard the shots and stepped out and was hit several times by gunfire and died. Even though he wasn't involved in anything. When kids can't play outside its like a police state already, just run by thugs. Tired of thugs being emboldned poverty creates a ton of issues, some of these people seem like they get off on that lifestyle though.
 
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