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Disney cuts ties with PewDiePie after he posts antisemetic videos
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I remember watching the fiver video in question. Stupid joke, but really isn't he calling out the alt right with this kind of rhetoric? I mean he clearly isn't racist, and there's tons of people who actually believe this stuff. If he would have just said "man. Some people actually believe this crap" I think the joke would have gone over better.
Oh well.
Oh well.
Regardless of his majority demo, it's very clear that young impressionable people make up a large amount of his viewership.
I used to work with kids (ages 5-17), and almost all of them were into two things by default:
Minecraft and PewDiePie.
He has responsibility here, he needs to start owning that shit.
No, he's just doing it for the shock value which is the problem. His actions have real weight to them as he, for better or worse, holds a lot of influence over impressionable yoofs.
ModestMouseTrap
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I can't tell if you are playing coy or what. First, you are taking the whole post out of context. Second, my point wasn't even about Richard Spencer. It was about accusations being hurled at NORMAL people. Not Richard Spencer. He is not normal.
And third. Do a quick google search and there are videos and news articles discussing the possibility of him being a Nazi. He is constantly referred to as a "white nationalist" which goes almost hand in hand with it.
The Atlantic broke a video of one of Spencer's events very clearly implying he was a Nazi.
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Again, when Nazis are out. They are. One of them advises Donald.
And sorry, found nothing. "Just" reports about his antisemitic content.
Yes we do, or does the recent attempts at bombing refugee centers have nothing to do with that? Is that just PC-culture gone wild again? The three suspect have connections to the Swedish Resistance movment, you know these guys..
But yeah, continue normalizing this shit, it's just PC-culture, everybody gets triggered over nothing, it just mainstream media/fake news either way.
We have three people who tried their best to kill people with bombs just because they fled a war torn country, you know what we usually label people like that? Fucking terrorists.
So you can just fuck off with your PC-culture nonsense.
chaobreaker
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So let me get this straight:
PDP posts multiple anti-Semitic jokes between 9 videos "for the lulz".
Apologizes at some point but doubles down on "jokes" when criticised for making "jokes" in the first place.
Disney hears of this and promptly excise him from their MCN.
Am I getting this right? Did I miss anything?
PDP posts multiple anti-Semitic jokes between 9 videos "for the lulz".
Apologizes at some point but doubles down on "jokes" when criticised for making "jokes" in the first place.
Disney hears of this and promptly excise him from their MCN.
Am I getting this right? Did I miss anything?
It's Reyn Time!
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Posting racist, sexist, misogynistic shit ironically or sarcastically both normalises it for those people who are developing their opinions of the world (so, his audience) and empowers those who propagate those values.
Pretty much.
I haven't watched the original videos but why the hell would he pay two guys to hold up such an awful sign in the first place? This shit wasn't even funny if you had the lowest and worst sense of humor. Also dressing up like that and watching Hitler propaganda speeches just for "fun"? What's wrong with this guy.
Parents and older siblings definitely need to watch out for this shit. Recently found out a Minecraft guy my little brother used to watch is a fucking tin foil hat flat earther.
Parents and older siblings definitely need to watch out for this shit. Recently found out a Minecraft guy my little brother used to watch is a fucking tin foil hat flat earther.
SaniOYOYOY
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ah thx guys. I was wondering about that myself
I feel old now lol. tbh I only like him after 2015ish where his content is not as noisy as what it was before
Kenzodielocke
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His statement is bullshit, fuck him.
Imp the Dimp
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Nine videos can't be coincidence. Fuck him, and well played by Disney.
yup.
All those nine videos show is that he's using shock humour without thinking of (or caring about) the consequences.
It doesn't make him beyond reproach of course, but it doesn't make him a monster either.
To see if they really would make video with this sign when he pays them
chaobreaker
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Yeah, just a bunch of deflection. He's honestly tryna to act like he was playing a game of 4D chess game with his social commentary and Disney didn't get that. Fucking own up to your shit, you clown.
ModestMouseTrap
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So your ability to differentiate between those Nazis or people who are Nazi light and normal people goes out the window just like that?
And just because the news doesn't say it blatantly does not mean that it isn't in the zeitgeist or in the conversation. After Spencer got punched, there were all sorts of debates about "is it okay to punch a Nazi?" What do you think that implies? I think that spells it out fairly clearly.
What are you even implying with your "just" statement. I'm starting to feel as though we are both making two very different points.
I think its very, very clear he's "just" an idiot. That doesn't make his actions any less harmful, he has a /lot/ of responsibility due to his platform and reach, he really needs to start realising just how much of an effect his jokes are having.
When did I not differentiate between Nazis and normal people?
So the news does not say it?
Spencer is a Nazi. Spencer is not Pewdiepie.
Calling antisemitic content antisemitic content and calling someone a Nazi are two different things.
Yeah totally agree. It's super Wack. And I mean, Kids watch him too. The don't have any context for that shit.
Palette Swap
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Nope.
Reading the thread, there are essentially two arguments:
- "PC culture gone too far", "McCarthyism", "witch hunt": the usual limp dick defense to silence critique of the normalization of shameful discourse. That's just the regular gamergate enabler crowd.
- the already tired semantic debate over the use of the term nazi, which seems completely irrelevant and unnecessary IMO to characterizing his behavior as antisemitic.
There are more facets than that, if you actually read the thread of course.
Dude makes anti-semitic humour and faces consequences. Yeah this seems about right.
It's a shame since from what I've seen Felix does seem like a good person in general, but that doesn't really excuse him for this, especially since the specific sign part wasn't like a livestream or anything. Sure, he didn't think they'd do it, but when they did he still uploaded the video, so he obviously doesn't mind putting that content on his channel.
Sure, it was just shock humour, but this isn't really the climate for that, especially when his audience is so young.
It's a shame since from what I've seen Felix does seem like a good person in general, but that doesn't really excuse him for this, especially since the specific sign part wasn't like a livestream or anything. Sure, he didn't think they'd do it, but when they did he still uploaded the video, so he obviously doesn't mind putting that content on his channel.
Sure, it was just shock humour, but this isn't really the climate for that, especially when his audience is so young.
ModestMouseTrap
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I'm not specifically talking about you though. I'm saying there is a phenomenon going on where people are too loosely throwing that accusation around, and you seem to be implying that there is no problem because YOU don't see it happening or aren't doing it. There were people in this thread calling pewdiepie a Nazi. Pewdiepie has a video addressing multiple articles claiming he is a Nazi. I have personally witnessed people calling other acquaintances Nazis who very clearly weren't nazis.
Yes, there are Nazi's around in positions of power. That doesn't mean that all of the sudden we should throw that accusation around when it isn't appropriate and use it as a means of stifling those we disagree with.
King of Custard
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Isn't he just covering anti-Semitic content and taking the piss out of Hitler.
Not seeing the controversy here? This has been done a billion times by several comedians funnier than Pew de pie.
Not seeing the controversy here? This has been done a billion times by several comedians funnier than Pew de pie.
kraspkibble
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Good on Disney. The way that guy behaves is unacceptable. Can't stand him.
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Im not surprised he is an anti-Semitic fucking nazi scum.
The problem is that he's literally just throwing this shit out there for shock value, no intelligent satire or focus, and his audience is impressionable.
He needs to grow up and take responsibility for that.
He isn't.
No, because current Disney is not the founder.
ModestMouseTrap
Banned
I mean yeah if you want to rob it of any and all subtlety sure...
Apparently we can't have a conversation in a larger context than pewdiepie and the use of language. Because apparently the world is only binary.
kraspkibble
Permabanned.
No, not really. It's clear that Disney doesn't accept this kind of behaviour so it's not like they support it. Whatever Walt Disney was like it has no effect on the company today. He died over 50 years.
Tom Nook Sawyer
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AudioEppa
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I'm sure this decision wasn't made without both parties having a serious discussion. Would I fire him? No. He should be allowed to do comedy however he chooses. But there would be a talk about understanding the reaction some choices will bring, if he isn't already fully aware.
The thing about YouTube is that dark humor, which I'm sure most of the time was exposed to a much older audience many years ago. Now is accessible to everyone.
Both younger and older viewers will take this current matter as a joke (understanding the history behind it or not) But is totally understandable that others believe it's never something to joke about.
I do not believe he had any hateful motives behind it. He's entertainer, simple as that. From what I witnessed over the years from the videos I've watched (not a lot, but enough) Is that he's a comedian. They have always pissed people off and they always will.
In the end I'm sure this separation was probably something both parties wanted. Disney / Maker will continue on, probably with a lot of hate towards them. And Felix will join another network or go solo and continue being popular, and hated as always.
The thing about YouTube is that dark humor, which I'm sure most of the time was exposed to a much older audience many years ago. Now is accessible to everyone.
Both younger and older viewers will take this current matter as a joke (understanding the history behind it or not) But is totally understandable that others believe it's never something to joke about.
I do not believe he had any hateful motives behind it. He's entertainer, simple as that. From what I witnessed over the years from the videos I've watched (not a lot, but enough) Is that he's a comedian. They have always pissed people off and they always will.
In the end I'm sure this separation was probably something both parties wanted. Disney / Maker will continue on, probably with a lot of hate towards them. And Felix will join another network or go solo and continue being popular, and hated as always.
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Those WSJ videos tell a different story.
Diprosalic
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That makes no sense. Go ahead and tell me a company that was founded about 100 years ago whose owners were not either racist, sexist, homophobic or anti-semites.
Should they all be cool with it in this day and age?
Prithee Be Careful
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Purely out of curiosity, would you feel the same way if this was a Muslim blogger who'd made jokes about 'Death to the West'? Would you point out the number terrorist atrocities carried out by Islamic extremists in recent decades or post of a photo of Islamist agitators holding up signs about beheading infidels?
Imp the Dimp
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It is perfectly fair to judge him on what he actually did as opposed to on what you think he intended (and entirely failed) to accomplish with it. Nine antisemitic or Nazi videos for shock value? You've got to be kidding me.
Anyone who posts anti-Semitic/xenophobic/racist/sexist things is a piece of shit for normalizing.
Im shocked that Roger still puts up with Josh during some of the discussions they do considering Josh is a very style over substance kind of person. He did shut down his original twitter due to constantly spewing negative stuff on a daily basis.
GAF A60-Rim A
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The jokes he makes may be perfectly "legal" but they sure are extremely irresponsible (or at least highly ignorant of the susceptibility of uneducated young people in today's divisive sociopolitical environment) and deserve reprimanding.
Dude do you understand what a joke is? Satire? Humour?
The guy isn't seriously advocating anti-semitism.
Who cares? He influences kids and millions of other people. He's normalizing this shit.
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