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[LexW]

Yeah, I don't see any Quarians being in Andromeda tbh. The Krogan I can understand since they're not as tight knit a group, and there will be Krogan who are part of of clans that oppose Wreave/Wrex, but the Quarians? Nah.

So you think they're not going to have any representatives from the race of one of the most popular companions in the ME series? A race that is known for and expert in travelling long distances through space. A race that doesn't have a homeworld (and not all of them want the old one back if they can find another one they can survive on - and though that is non-trivial, Andromeda would be a good place to look). Really?

If they don't have any Quarians in ME:A, it'll certainly because they ran out of time/budget, and I guarantee they'll either add them in DLC or in ME:A2.

Most likely they'll at least have one fully-suited one as a placeholder/marker. I'd be surprised if they had Vorcha or Batarians, though (the former would be easy to introduce later if desired, of course).

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Oh god, that outfit on the asari is dumb. Three humans running around in a hazmat suit while the asari wears something that a Depeche mode fan would wear in the 80s. I'm the biggest Depeche mode fan around but still...

Can you explain why there is so much angst with PeeBee and her midriff but it was just fine for Samara to go into battle with her boobs pushed up and Jack wearing a "top" consisting of thin straps that barely cover her nipples.

 

[hooijdonk17]

Can you explain why there is so much angst with PeeBee and her midriff but it was just fine for Samara to go into battle with her boobs pushed up and Jack wearing a "top" consisting of thin straps that barely cover her nipples.

It was never fine. Mass Effect 2's over the top objectification of every female companion you could get was the one thing that actually really stopped me from enjoying the game half way through. I loved Mass Effect 1 and Ashley was a better character than any of the cardboard stereotype female characters in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 2 is basically an embodiment of everything wrong with Bioware's approach to women and relationships. I just pretended Jack and the Asari did not exist on the ship. Miranda was actually kind of bearable.

 

[rashbeep]

if at least 30% of your total playtime wasn't spent in the character creator meticulously tweaking a custom face i have to question whether you're really playing a bioware game

sheploo was life

 

[Lashley]

This is going to beat my GTX970 into a pulp, isn't it.

yep

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

It was never fine. Mass Effect 2's over the top objectification of every female companion you could get was the one thing that actually really stopped me from enjoying the game half way through. I loved Mass Effect 1 and Ashley was a better character than any of the cardboard stereotype female characters in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 2 is basically an embodiment of everything wrong with Bioware's approach to women and relationships. I just pretended Jack and the Asari did not exist on the ship. Miranda was actually kind of bearable.

That would be the sentiment I'd expect seeing those characters for the first time back when the ME2 media blitz was happening. Yet those two character designs were not dragged through the mud the same way the Asari is here. I can't understand why either. It's strange to see so much backlash against this character when the precedent is that she would be a lot less covered. Especially when the reaction to the fore mentioned characters was more in the vein of "cool, I love stylized characters" as opposed to "OMG, look at that midriff, how can she wear that in space".

 

[PMS341]

Oh god, that outfit on the asari is dumb. Three humans running around in a hazmat suit while the asari wears something that a Depeche mode fan would wear in the 80s. I'm the biggest Depeche mode fan around but still...

Maybe, maybe not...

The Asari's outfit is a Doctor's uniform though, iirc.

 

[Tovarisc]

This is going to beat my GTX970 into a pulp, isn't it.

yep

Expecting that i7 6700K, 8-12GB RAM and GTX1080 recommended spec for 1080p experience.

 

[diaspora]

Uh, a 970 destroys a PS4, why would it struggle with this game at 1080p?

 

[prag16]

yep

A 970 handles DA:I, Battlefront, and BF1 perfectly fine at 1080p.

Why is ME:A all of a sudden going to "beat it to a pulp"?

Uh, a 970 destroys a PS4, why would it struggle with this game at 1080p?

It's in the same ballpark as the PS4 Pro's GPU too. And even a 2500k destroys the PS4 CPU. So there really should be no hand wringing about a 970 at 1080p.

 

[obeast]

It was never fine. Mass Effect 2's over the top objectification of every female companion you could get was the one thing that actually really stopped me from enjoying the game half way through. I loved Mass Effect 1 and Ashley was a better character than any of the cardboard stereotype female characters in Mass Effect 2. Mass Effect 2 is basically an embodiment of everything wrong with Bioware's approach to women and relationships. I just pretended Jack and the Asari did not exist on the ship. Miranda was actually kind of bearable.

I'm not typically one to object all that much to objectification in media (by my reasoning, the problem is that there isn't more objectification of men a la romance novel covers, not that some games/movies/whatever objectify women), but ME2, which I'm replaying right now, reminded me that it can absolutely be a problem.

I had forgotten just how preposterous that game can be. Jack's character model is a joke (actually Jack's whole character is pretty bad), and the camera angles in every scene involving Miranda (who, by the by, is actually a decent character otherwise) outright offended me. Why does the camera settle 18 inches behind her ass at least once in every scene she's in? Am I supposed to be titillated? Is my Shepard supposed to be a lecher?

I don't know if I agree that the women in ME2 are bad as *characters*, though, with the exception of Jack. Tali is just a walking infodump in ME1, and her character in ME2 evolved into something, at least. Miranda, but for her outfit and the amorous camera, is a good character. Samara is pretty good, too, although there is an amusing dissonance between her outfit ( a swimsuit, essentially), and her character (an ancient monastic warrior). Dunno if I can defend Kelly Chambers.

 

[Gothos]

Uh, a 970 destroys a PS4, why would it struggle with this game at 1080p?

Because in 95% cases console ports sucks on PC

Anyway, can't wait for the new gameplay video. Maybe it'll drop today?

 

[Lashley]

A 970 handles DA:I, Battlefront, and BF1 perfectly fine at 1080p.

Why is ME:A all of a sudden going to "beat it to a pulp"?

For recommended specs at high/ultra 1080p you'll need a 1080 most likely, at 60fps

Obviously I can drop a few graphical settings

 

[diaspora]

Because in 95% cases console ports sucks on PC

Anyway, can't wait for the new gameplay video. Maybe it'll drop today?

All PC ports are at worst still better than console equivalents though.

 

[prag16]

For recommended specs at high/ultra 1080p you'll need a 1080 most likely, at 60fps

Obviously I can drop a few graphical settings

Recommended was a 1060 for BF1. I know it's a different type of game and all. But 1060 to 1080 for recommended would be a massive jump.

I don't expect to be able to max it out on a 970 or anything. But playing on high instead of ultra, without a perfectly locked 60fps doesn't all of a sudden mean the game is making the 970 cry.

 

[AdamAstles]

Is my Shepard supposed to be a lecher?

Shepard is an intergalactic sex pest!

 

[Lashley]

Recommended was a 1060 for BF1. I know it's a different type of game and all. But 1060 to 1080 for recommended would be a massive jump.

I don't expect to be able to max it out on a 970 or anything. But playing on high instead of ultra, without a perfectly locked 60fps doesn't all of a sudden mean the game is making the 970 cry.

yeah, I was probably overreacting

 

[bbd23]

Because in 95% cases console ports sucks on PC

Anyway, can't wait for the new gameplay video. Maybe it'll drop today?

what year is this?

 

[Staf]

Can you explain why there is so much angst with PeeBee and her midriff but it was just fine for Samara to go into battle with her boobs pushed up and Jack wearing a "top" consisting of thin straps that barely cover her nipples.

No i can't. Why should or would i?

 

[Back-In-Black]

Can you explain why there is so much angst with PeeBee and her midriff but it was just fine for Samara to go into battle with her boobs pushed up and Jack wearing a "top" consisting of thin straps that barely cover her nipples.

People love to hate shit especially when they have zero context. People hated the idea of James Vega in ME3 pre-release calling him a "dude bro CoD character." Of course, the game comes out and he's pretty fucking great.

 

[MisterShine]

That would be the sentiment I'd expect seeing those characters for the first time back when the ME2 media blitz was happening. Yet those two character designs were not dragged through the mud the same way the Asari is here..... Especially when the reaction to the fore mentioned characters was more in the vein of "cool, I love stylized characters" as opposed to "OMG, look at that midriff, how can she wear that in space".

I'm afraid to say your memory is just faulty. I was active on the Bioware forums and other gaming forums in the run-up to ME2, and the outfits for Samara, Jack and occasionally Miranda were absolutely called out. ESPECIALLY when we see later in the game in vacuum environments where they're WEARING JUST A FACE MASK. IN SPACE.

Hell I bought the alternate costume outfit 2 JUST so I could get Jack to put some damn clothes on

People love to hate shit especially when they have zero context. People hated the idea of James Vega in ME3 pre-release calling him a "dude bro CoD character." Of course, the game comes out and he's pretty fucking great.

I remember when it was announced Freddie Prince Jr. was going to voice him, it got real ugly. Vega was pretty solid though, but Fred absolutely found his voice with Iron Bull in Inquisition.

 

[Tovarisc]

Can you explain why there is so much angst with PeeBee and her midriff but it was just fine for Samara to go into battle with her boobs pushed up and Jack wearing a "top" consisting of thin straps that barely cover her nipples.

Was it tho?

I think Pee "Midriff" Bee's default(?) outfit looks stupid just like any battlebikini setup did back in original trilogy, or in other games. One could say that even Cora's actual armor is little pushing it by having highlight color on her torso, but that is nowhere near midriff PeeBee or leather strap Jack.

Edit: Hopefully loyalty missions give you access to loyalty outfits and I can put some actual armor on PeeBee.

 

[SoRuffShoNuff]

Was it tho?

I think Pee "Midriff" Bee's default(?) outfit looks stupid just like any battlebikini setup did back in original trilogy, or in other games. One could say that even Cora's actual armor is little pushing it by having highlight color on her torso, but that is nowhere near midriff PeeBee or leather strap Jack.

Edit: Hopefully loyalty missions give you access to loyalty outfits and I can put some actual armor on PeeBee.

I remember it being more on the "hey that doesnt make much sense but she looks cool, wonder what her story is" as opposed to "look at her stomach, this character is awful" when ME2 rolled around. Maybe back then people were ready for something different when the original basically had all the human characters in generic armored spacesuits.

 

[Mifec]

Because in 95% cases console ports sucks on PC

Anyway, can't wait for the new gameplay video. Maybe it'll drop today?

95%?

Also

http://www.pcgamer.com/ea-says-all-its-games-are-developed-for-high-end-pcs-first/

 

[John Kowalski]

I think her jacket looks fuckin awesome

 

[Ralemont]

Bikini armor and PeeBee showing a bellybutton on a rogue jacket aren't close to the same thing imo.

 

[AWizardDidIt]

PeeBee is dressed like she came out of Blade Runner. I have 0 problems with this.

If you have problems with it, boy Cyberpunk 2077 is gonna really bum you out.

 

[Ridesh]

PeeBee looks like someone from Omega.

 

[Tovarisc]

PeeBee is dressed like she came out of Blade Runner. I have 0 problems with this.

If you have problems with it, boy Cyberpunk 2077 is gonna really bum you out.

Context and all. Cut top and lowrise cargopants to explore foreign planet with foreign atmosphere, plants, animals, structures etc.? Yeah no, give me that properly sealed suit and helmet. I could understand PB's outfit as casual off mission outfit, but as is it stands out to me negatively.

 

[AWizardDidIt]

Context and all. Cut top and lowrise cargopants to explore foreign planet with foreign atmosphere, plants, animals, structures etc.? Yeah no, give me that properly sealed suit and helmet. I could understand PB's outfit as casual off mission outfit, but as is it stands out to me negatively.

We haven't seen if she wears a space suit or not if you visit hazardous environments.

 

[Schlorgan]

We haven't seen if she wears a space suit or not if you visit hazardous environments.

In the scene in the PS4 Pro video it was pretty jarring for everyone else to be wearing full gear and her to not be. I can understand that.

 

[DesertFox]

if at least 30% of your total playtime wasn't spent in the character creator meticulously tweaking a custom face i have to question whether you're really playing a bioware game

I spent a good amount of time in ME1 creating a custom character, making sure all the sliders were just right to where I was happy with the character. Started the game, and in the first cutscene he ended up looking like a failed science experiment once I finally saw the character in game.

Started over and went through the character creator again.

By ME2, I was using default Shepard...

 

[Ralemont]

Context and all. Cut top and lowrise cargopants to explore foreign planet with foreign atmosphere, plants, animals, structures etc.? Yeah no, give me that properly sealed suit and helmet. I could understand PB's outfit as casual off mission outfit, but as is it stands out to me negatively.

Yeah that makes sense and I agree, but then it's not really about her midriff at all but BioWare opting for recognition over armor. Also why I never used Garrus's alt skin where he has a full helmet. I like seeing the faces.

 

[Back-In-Black]

Context and all. Cut top and lowrise cargopants to explore foreign planet with foreign atmosphere, plants, animals, structures etc.? Yeah no, give me that properly sealed suit and helmet. I could understand PB's outfit as casual off mission outfit, but as is it stands out to me negatively.

Then you must've hated every character design past ME1.

Listen, I know some people liked the more "realistic" design of ME1 where everyone wore completely sealed space suits almost all the time but I think it's pretty clear why they ditched that in the later games. Outfits are an extension of character, it's hard to make each character stand out when they are all wearing completely sealed suits that cover their faces. ME2 worked fine, for the most part, I do think they should've at least given characters who didn't wear space suits (Thane, Mordin, Jack, Miranda, Jacob) a full helmet/mask during those few actual space missions as opposed to just a breather. But, I'm fine with the design decision that not everyone is gonna wear a space suit for every planet, especially breathable ones.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

95%?

I think he was just joking, but I'll just go ahead and reiterate, since there are still people who genuinely believe this nonsense -

when we consider a PC port 'bad'
it is almost always because we can't get it to run 60fps+ reliably on hardware that should be able to handle it
and yet
that 60fps
is not. even. an. option. in the console version
much less any of the other tweaks and enhancements at my disposal
so you can stop pretending like bad PC port = worse than console port, not even worth buying port
this shit has gotten old as fuck and I'm going to be uncompromising in calling it out in the future

 

[Mifec]

I think he was just joking, but I'll just go ahead and reiterate, since there are still people who genuinely believe this nonsense -

when we consider a PC port 'bad'
it is almost always because we can't get it to run 60fps+ reliably on hardware that should be able to handle it
and yet
that 60fps
is not. even. an. option. in the console version
much less any of the other tweaks and enhancements at my disposal
so you can stop pretending like bad PC port = worse than console port
this shit has gotten old as fuck and I'm going to be uncompromising in calling it out in the future

Yo I never know if a is supposed to imply sarcasm or smugness since it can be both, so it caught me off guard.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

Yo I never know if a is supposed to imply sarcasm or smugness since it can be both, so it caught me off guard.

Right? so I just responded generally to the sentiment because I've seen similar opinions espoused dead seriously in other threads. Most of the people who blather on about poor PC ports today aren't really familiar with them anyway or why we consider those ports poor. It's why Arkham Knight is still the go-to example, lol. There's been worse since Arkham Knight, even.

 

[ebev91]

A 970 handles DA:I, Battlefront, and BF1 perfectly fine at 1080p.

Why is ME:A all of a sudden going to "beat it to a pulp"?



It's in the same ballpark as the PS4 Pro's GPU too. And even a 2500k destroys the PS4 CPU. So there really should be no hand wringing about a 970 at 1080p.

I can run BF1 maxed out with a 970 and still have 60fps. MEA should be fine with a 970. Maybe not maxed out, but high settings for sure.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

I can run BF1 maxed out with a 970 and still have 60fps. MEA should be fine with a 970. Maybe not maxed out, but high settings for sure.

I mean, this is Mass Effect we're talking about, a series known for punching abit above its weight visually despite being ultimately really really easy to run, now on a famously scalable engine, where it's not doing a lot of the shit visually that other games on the engine are.

I've got a 970 and a solid CPU, and I expect to play this game at 1080p and 60fps at settings that are barely distinguishable from max settings (resolution/aa nonwithstanding), if I don't just end up getting it on PS4 Pro instead.

 

[prag16]

I think he was just joking, but I'll just go ahead and reiterate, since there are still people who genuinely believe this nonsense -

when we consider a PC port 'bad'
it is almost always because we can't get it to run 60fps+ reliably on hardware that should be able to handle it
and yet
that 60fps
is not. even. an. option. in the console version
much less any of the other tweaks and enhancements at my disposal
so you can stop pretending like bad PC port = worse than console port, not even worth buying port
this shit has gotten old as fuck and I'm going to be uncompromising in calling it out in the future

Yep. Somebody earlier in the topic said something along the lines of, "oh shit, the 970 is gonna suffer; I'd like to play it on PC, but at least I have PS4 Pro as a fallback option".

This makes no sense. PS4 Pro is no more powerful, and has a considerably weaker CPU than most halfway modern rigs. And it's going to be capped at 30fps like all console variants.

 

[adversarial]

damn, GAF hates Mass Effect.

 

[Bisnic]

Context and all. Cut top and lowrise cargopants to explore foreign planet with foreign atmosphere, plants, animals, structures etc.? Yeah no, give me that properly sealed suit and helmet. I could understand PB's outfit as casual off mission outfit, but as is it stands out to me negatively.

Have you somehow missed ME2? Jack could walk around alien planets with just a mask and full exposed skin above the waist. Peebee's appearance is nothing compared to that. This isn't new to Mass Effect. ME1 was the only one which took proper space gear seriously.

 

[Schlorgan]

https://twitter.com/masseffect/status/832273373547872257

Weapons and Skills overview coming tomorrow.

 

[Mifec]

Right? so I just responded generally to the sentiment because I've seen similar opinions espoused dead seriously in other threads. Most of the people who blather on about poor PC ports today aren't really familiar with them anyway or why we consider those ports poor. It's why Arkham Knight is still the go-to example, lol. There's been worse since Arkham Knight, even.

I know what you mean, I have to remind people that based on hardware AK still runs best on PC. People really love to shitpost about that.

Which is kinda sad since it can confused people, I mean people in this thread thinking you'd need a GTX 1080 to max it at 1080p.

 

[Son Of Sparda]

damn, GAF hates Mass Effect.

It's more like GAF doesn't trust Bioware anymore.

 

[Stallion Dan]

Is it me or is the marketing for this game extremely underwhelming?

 

[UberLevi]

Hope I can run this game fine on my 960. Been meaning to upgrade for a while now, but doesn't look like that'll happen before Andromeda ships.

 

[prag16]

Hope I can run this game fine on my 960. Been meaning to upgrade for a while now, but doesn't look like that'll happen before Andromeda ships.

If you're okay rocking medium settings without an ideal 60fps lock, you're probably alright.

 

[Tovarisc]

Have you somehow missed ME2? Jack could walk around alien planets with just a mask and full exposed skin above the waist. Peebee's appearance is nothing compared to that. This isn't new to Mass Effect. ME1 was the only one which took proper space gear seriously.

Whatabout...

And yeah, like I say in my earlier posts I think leather strap Jack was also poor design from looks and function standpoint.

 

[Ivory Samoan]

I can run BF1 maxed out with a 970 and still have 60fps. MEA should be fine with a 970. Maybe not maxed out, but high settings for sure.

This: not sure why people are thinking it's going to be more demanding than BF1, if anything, I'd go with less demanding (hopefully optimisation is good too). I'm rolling a 3770k+980 and I'm pretty sure I'll be able to play it in high/ultra 60fps in 1080p, maybe not all settings maxed, but a few for sure.


In other news, I love PeeBee's jacket, she looks like a fun character IMO.