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A Nintendo Switch has been taken apart

The framedrops are probably due to the CPU more than anything else (especially if it's the rumoured 1GHz). I bet it was far worse at 1080p which is why they dropped it to 900p when docked.

The framerate is apparently a flawless 30fps in portable mode.

The resolution limitation suggests a GPU bottleneck rather than a CPU one.
 

EloquentM

aka Mannny
Every time the Switch HW Speculation Thread changes to a new thread, we get a new bunch of people coming in with these posts. I literally just resort to skimming this thread looking for any of these avatars:

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I'm honored

I wouldn't be shocked if they shrunk down the X1 design to 16nm for extra power efficiency, but a fresh Pascal design for the Switch is implausible given the design timetable. It is possible that the final clocks may be tweaked slightly from Eurogamer's leaks though. It seems like Nintendo was still taking developer input on the hardware into late 2016.
I honestly doubt either scenarios (pascal or die shrink) but I still think the Foxconn leak has a lot of legitimacy to it at this point. I don't think it's gospel though.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I apologise for derailing the thread with my philosophical question.

Nobody has a retail one unless they stole it. There are no retail distribution channels for the Switch in China where it could have fallen off a truck like it did here in the US. It could be a defective unit that someone that works at Foxconn got a hold of somehow before it was scrapped, but Devkit seems like the most plausible scenario.

Could be a devkit. We know the devkit looks just like a Switch. The teardown does not let us see what color joycons it had to know for sure

And if it's a devkit, the next question would be if it's a July or an October devkit?
 

Oresama

Member
If you would have followed the discussion I already said that I believe the guy had access and saw the Switch. So take your "fuck outta here" and keep it to yourself (yes, I saw the edit).


Thank you, the rage over video games on GAF is astounding to me.

Relax people, it's just video games and these are just people's opinions lmao!
 

Dystify

Member
There are actually some people who are interested in the discussion about the Switch stuff. Can you guys please keep it down before the topic gets closed. :(
 

Schnozberry

Member
And if it's a devkit, the next question would be if it's a July or an October devkit?

I'm talking out of my ass here, but I don't think they'd be manufacturing final hardware in July for a March release, so I'm going to say this was for the devkits that everyone had info about in July.
 

Schnozberry

Member
I honestly doubt either scenarios (pascal or die shrink) but I still think the Foxconn leak has a lot of legitimacy to it at this point. I don't think it's gospel though.

The Foxconn Leaked clock speeds make no sense unless you have a die shrink. The battery life would be hot garbage.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
I'm taking out of my ass here, but I don't think they'd be manufacturing final hardware in July for a March release, so I'm going to say this was for the devkits that everyone had info about in July.

Nvidia manufactured the new Shield's SoC in July, so it's not that far fetched.
 

Oregano

Member
Deeke[VRZ];230627538 said:
If this is the RAM code:

K4F6E30

4HBMGCH

Then the "F" in K4F means "FP" or "FPM" which translates to a variety of RAM called Fast Page Memory RAM.

https://gyazo.com/6591bbbecf2542c41515f9ba310b8b0b

If this is accurate, I think the two modules have different codes.

I'm not 100% sure if it's viable for both modules to be FPRAM or not. Still decoding!


Ooo that's actually an interesting post. What implications would that have?
 

Teran

Member
Thank you, the rage over video games on GAF is astounding to me.

Relax people, it's just video games and these are just people's opinions lmao!

Just because someone says fuck it doesn't mean they're angry. I edited it out because people tend to feel that way and oh look I was right.

In any case, just the notion that someone is going to split hairs over L/J just seems so ludicrous. "Why would those people of other origin use a Latin characters to describe something?"

Just the notion that people from other countries would most likely be ignorant of anything English related, considering it's the world's lingua franca and the language that has dominated global media/business for God knows how long, it struck me as a somewhat remarkable statement. This specific point isn't really related to videogame opinions, it's the typical passive assumption that people outside the west are unga bunga mud hut people with zero knowledge of the world outside their assumed 3rd world boondock.
 
Correct. That's why I would think the kits that went out in November would probably be the most representative of final hardware.
I'm thinking that too.

Maybe that's what Emily Rogers meant (or whatever she took from her sources) in October that the july dev kits(as in manufactured in July) would be final retail, and it would come with 4GB of RAM.
 

Schnozberry

Member
I'm thinking that too.

Maybe that's what Emily Rogers meant (or whatever she took from her sources) in October that the july dev kits(as in manufactured in July) would be final retail, and it would come with 4GB of RAM.

That's entirely possible. Too many unanswered questions we're trying to figure out by staring at blurry pictures.
 
The latest Nintendo documentation up on the developer portal is from January 12th, and hasn't been leaked yet. I don't have access to it, but I have friends here in Austin that do and they won't tell me shit.
lol. They are not playing with Nintendo. Too bad they can't hint if you're on the right track.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
Just the notion that people from other countries would most likely be ignorant of anything English related, considering it's the world's lingua franca and the language that has dominated global media/business for God knows how long, it struck me as a somewhat remarkable statement. This specific point isn't really related to videogame opinions, it's the typical passive assumption that people outside the west are unga bunga mud hut people with zero knowledge of the world outside their assumed 3rd world boondock.

I said I will not comment anymore on it, but I can't let this slip.

It was never in my intention to say that Chinese people can't speak English or know what the letter L is. Never

And if something I wrote sounds like that, point it to me and I will correct it.

I had a very simple question that was related to writing and the way people who use different writing think. There was no mean thought about Chinese people about it. Just a curiosity. The question was answered. I moved forward (while apologising for the derail).
 

ksamedi

Member
Looks like Switch is a pretty great box in specs but what I find more interesting is the 4k dock. I absolutely believe the foxconn leak. The guy was guessing the cpus and stuff so who knows whats really in there but the 4g version and super dock is interssting from a business standpoint.

This leak was from November (correct me if Im wrong on this) and the leak mentioned 2000 units of the super dock!/switch were being manufactured. That means that devs should already have it in their hands (or maybe only Nintendo devs for now). We should see this thing revealed by early next year
 

Vic

Please help me with my bad english
Wtf at those second clockspeeds, 2.1GHz per core??? Also the GFGPU clocks show a massive delta.
A logical explanation is that in handheld mode, the GPU has a variable clock but it's topping it's capability in docked mode.
 

pulsemyne

Member
Why does it even say 516 cores anyway. Wouldn't it be 512?

Not all diagnostic stuff such as software report some elements correctly. However none of the clock speeds of GFLOP amounts are beyond what Tegra could do.
Interesting that the test failed on double precision test.
 

Cerium

Member
Okay so now can someone summarize what, if anything, we've learned from these pictures?

Nothing, right?

I saw Thraktor's post but I don't speak technese.
 

Vena

Member
A logical explanation is that in handheld mode, the GPU has a variable clock but it's topping it's capability in docked mode.

More logical would be the fact that its nonsense with random numbers thrown at it, haha. :p
 

pulsemyne

Member
800 GFLOPS sounds like BS

That's single precision not the double precision that we normally use for rating stuff. For example a ps4 in single precision would rate about 3.6 Tflops.
Tegra is rated as 1Tflop in single precision. Half that and you get 512 GFlop which would be it's double precision number.
 

pooh

Member
The Foxconn Leaked clock speeds make no sense unless you have a die shrink. The battery life would be hot garbage.

YEP! Also, curiously, the clocks mentioned in the leak with 16nm and A72s would match the power draw of the Eurogamer clocks with 20 nm and A57s.
 
That's single precision not the double precision that we normally use for rating stuff. For example a ps4 in single precision would rate about 3.6 Tflops.
Tegra is rated as 1Tflop in single precision. Half that and you get 512 GFlop which would be it's double precision number.

PS4 doesn't have double speed for single precision, though PS4 Pro does.

Edit:
No, double precision means FP64, and single precision means FP32.

You're confusing FP16 (half precision) and FP32

Yes thank you, I meant half precision.
 
That's single precision not the double precision that we normally use for rating stuff. For example a ps4 in single precision would rate about 3.6 Tflops.
Tegra is rated as 1Tflop in single precision. Half that and you get 512 GFlop which would be it's double precision number.

No, double precision means FP64, and single precision means FP32.

You're confusing FP16 (half precision) and FP32 (single precision)
 

pulsemyne

Member
PS4 doesn't have double speed for single precision, though PS4 Pro does.

Edit:


Yes thank you, I meant half precision.

Yeah sorry my mistake. Still if was applied to half precision in that picture then it would be accurate. So I'm now on the bollocks bus. There's no way the much hits 870Gflop in single precision. Half precision very possibly.
 

KingSnake

The Birthday Skeleton
800 Gflops sounds like what a Pascal Tegra would be capable of reaching at maximum performance.

But the clocks shown in that picture don't make too much sense.

GPU at 275Mhz => 375 GFLOPS and at 1005Mhz => 875 GFLOPS?

How would this calculation work?
 

pulsemyne

Member
800 Gflops sounds like what a Pascal Tegra would be capable of reaching at maximum performance.

But the clocks shown in that picture don't make too much sense.

GPU at 275Mhz => 375 GFLOPS and at 1005Mhz => 875 GFLOPS?

How would this calculation work?

The Gflops number only makes sense if it refers to half precision (got it right this time) and not single precision (which the pictures says it is). Basically it's either the software reporting things wrong (could be as that does happen) or it's a load of old bollocks (most likely).
 
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