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WSJ: Nintendo now to manufacture 16 million Switch consoles next FY, up from 8m
- Thread starter Hero of Legend
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The point was that a lot of the conversations surrounding the Wii U were really cluttered and confusing. It wasn't a clear pitch.
Compare that to Switch, where the thing you buy on day one does exactly what you're expecting it to do. It's a hybrid system that plays games on your tv or wherever you want to go. It has two controllers for quick coop, and grip and optional pro controller for added comfort.
AdropOFvenom
Neo Member
Honestly, with the evolution of the 3DS (3DS, then 3DS XL, then 2DS, now New 3DS and New 3DS XL), many people own multiple 3DS's, I personally own 2. That 60 million number is misleading anyways.
They will definitely have more games later in the year. If you mean unannounced games, I think there is a safe bet for those as well - nearly every E3 in recent years has included an announcement from Nintendo of 1-2 significant games that release by the end of the same year, and usually Nintendo Directs include announcements for games to be released within a relatively short window, as we saw with recent MM3D and Kirby 3DS games for example (and for download-only games, sometimes they are released at the time of the announcement).
Skittzo0413
Member
Huh? They've announced 9 first party games releasing between March and December, that's more than most of their other consoles get in their first year.
Third parties is a different matter.
Those things are still bad. What's your point?
Also it's wayyyy too early to call the Switch a success.
Chezzymann
Member
But since theres very few third parties they're forced to have a much higher standard for first parties.
MAX PAYMENT
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MikeE21286
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Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Is this a hint at a price drop in the next FY and/or some aggressive bundling? I wonder how ambitious they'll get on that front.
KnightimeX_Legacy
Banned
People complain because they can't get a switch.
Now people are complaining because they can?
Now people are complaining because they can?
This is true, but I think the slate of indie titles on the horizon is really solid to help fill that need. Hopefully we start seeing some of the traditionally portable only publishers start jumping on board.
Despite that I think the first party lineup, even of the stuff we only know of right now, is great. I'm sure more will be announced and I wouldn't rule out stuff small Nintendo games like Pushmo or BoxBoy that come out of nowhere too.
Fixed.
ElectricBlanketFire
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What? Who?
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Mushroomer25
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I'd bet good money they bundle in Mario Kart come Holiday. Either that or Zelda.
http://venturebeat.com/2017/03/17/nintendo-stock-price-surges-as-company-doubles-switch-production/
(summary is via GoNintendo.com)
(summary is via GoNintendo.com)
Yeah, I'd figure bundles instead of price drop.
There is nothing but a handfull of launch units having issues like a normal launch, there really isn't much reason to expect accessory changes anytime soon.
Skittzo0413
Member
Well yes, but considering that's almost always been the case, they're still managing to put out far more software than on previous platforms, especially the Wii U. I think the Wii U had 3 or 4 first party titles in the first (EDIT: 9 not 3) months. The Switch will have 9 or more (I'm sure more will be announced at E3, so likely at least 10).
Who's complaining about the increase in production in this thread?
http://venturebeat.com/2017/03/17/nintendo-stock-price-surges-as-company-doubles-switch-production/
(summary is via GoNintendo.com)
Cool, thanks. The US stock (NTDOY) is up 4.5%. I have no idea how the two correlate to each other, but I own some of NTDOY so I'm happy.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Mario Kart would be a good move to convince Wii U upgrades. Asking a lot of us to pay full price for MK8 again just for a real battle mode.
Diprosalic
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GameFreak doesn't really care. They didn't when the 3ds had trouble, what makes you think they do now?
Just to support your point even further, if we're counting only games at least partially developed by Nintendo, there was NSMBU/NL at launch, then LCU about 4 months later (JP got G&W instead of LCU), and then nothing in May and G&W at the end of June. So, by 6 months into the system's release, there were 3 games on the shelf, and only two were fully developed by Nintendo, and of those two, one was included in the system, and the other had a 3DS entry (NSMB2) release 3 months prior. Definitely a rough launch window, there.
(And, regarding your comment about the stock info, my pleasure!)
What's up with this seemingly recent trend of "Checked your post history" stuff? Seems a bit disingenuous. Discrediting an argument based on the poster instead of addressing the content.
Not saying the person you posted was right just a weird trend I've noticed recently.
Because some posters are not arguing in good faith.
The left joy con and the dock problems are more then just a handful.
Skittzo0413
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I actually meant first 9-10 months, and I was thinking of NSMBU, Nintendo Land, and Pikmin 3. Forgot about G&W, and did NSLU come out in that time period?
The dock problem is not at all a widespread problem. Likely far less than 1% of docks were warped, and normal docks don't scratch the screen at all.
The joycon problem is much more of an issue.
I kind of agree with this. I mean, it's GameFreak. I don't see them pulling some BOTW style transformative leap where they reinvent the series for a new generation of players. It's going to be Sun/Moon with more resolution and maybe you can like ride a bike or put hats on your Pokemon or something.
The Gorby Congressmanz
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Japanese sales thread? Also what does my post history have to do with Nintendo shipments?
What is Nintendo's second best selling country? Japan?
The captured lighting in a bottle argument is valid but only under this specific where we see it from Nintendo's output from last and this generation. Three latest Nintendo hardware are build, marketed, and sold with their gimmicks upfront. Out of that three, only Wii really managed to capture the attention of a whole new audience that is first into gaming. Meanwhile the other two weren't so fortunate. The 3DS 3D feature is basically useless as it barely have any effect on gameplay or changed your perception to play. Pokemon XY barely used it, and later Pokemon SM doesn't have it altogether for better graphical fidelity and stability. Nintendo even released 2DS down the line with massive cheaper price. The last one is Wii U, which we already know how the console's asymmetric and off-TV gimmick does to its success, or to be exact, failure.
One can argue that DS is like Wii where it is part of "gimmick" hardware line. However, the dual screen and touch screen capability that the DS had wasn't new. It just the DS managed to capitalize it with the right software and gain tremendous success out of it. Also due to Brain-Age, people view DS more than just a gaming handheld. It have a value for non-gamer to buy. Despite that, even without Brain-Age the DS would still able to sell 100 million units easily.
When you put it into a bigger picture, Nintendo actually do their best with gaming hardware that have straight focus. The NES, and SNES were very successful. N64 had a rough start but it still managed to hold itself against the PlayStation. Then of course their handhelds, which always dominate the market until PSP come (and goes away). The Switch is part of this trend and it success shows that the Wii was really just lightning captured in a bottle, albeit a deserved one.
I don't they'll ever make Joycon-less Switch. Multiplayer on the get go is Switch main appeal, and taking that away you only got a powerful handheld like the Vita was (of course with better software).
I always said this and I will repeated it again: Pokemon SM texture looks like they are downres'd, as if meant for stronger system. I wouldn't be surprised if there's Pokemon Star version that almost look the same, but with overall better texture and stable 60fps.
You post on the subject quite a bit. Most of it in this vein.
It's likely only going to fall behind Wii U launch aligned because of supply constraints, which I'm pretty sure was discussed in that thread.
Skyfireblaze
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Oh yeah I heard of them but tempered-glass protectors are supposed to be fine aslong as you leave the glue to dry for a few hours before using the Switch with it. And your quoted-post makes sense I guess, I'll then just keep using the dock normally.
DangerMouse
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I dunno, at the moment I think it's the other way around. The dock issue is pretty common. And it's not really surprising since it's just plain plastic and with no extra protection just in case someone has a warped dock or more of them warp over time and repeated use. Not even any kind of protective padding or anything. That's a clear oversight and could get worse with time as many, especially younger owners, aren't likely to be ultra cautious when they dock and undock the system a hundred times.
Got a tempered glass protector on order to be as safe as possible against it.
And then ofcourse yeah, there's the joycon issue.
The Gorby Congressmanz
Banned
Uh that post was literally based on the switch falling behind the Vita? Seems like a logical concern.
You still have time before mk8 comes out.
And this is why it's not worth engaging you in discussion.
Steve Youngblood
Member
OK. For the sake of those of us that don't want to check his post history, don't do this. Honestly, I don't know the person you're responding to at all. Just try and stick to why an argument is bad, preferably without going detective by snooping through post histories. Even a recent post is directly related to this thread, I don't necessarily think it's out-of-bounds to reference, but make your case in an unambiguous fashion. What post(s) are you talking about that might shed light on his intentions in this thread? What do they tell us?
But really, just stick with current posts and not ad hominems.
FE Echoes: Shadow of Valentia was announced back in late January and slated for April release in Japan and rest of the world in May. That's 4 months gap between announcement and release, so yes I think it's very possible for Nintendo to announce something new via Direct and E3 and have it released in this very year. I suspect Nintendo don't want all of their game revealed yet besides the big title so the smaller one will got their chance to capture public attention.
His Vita post was ill-informed (didn't know that there's supply constraint), and the second one....he isn't wrong in that regard (probably not larger but it isn't significantly smaller either).
Ok cool, just wanted to make sure. I had heard about a melting issue with the tempered-glass ones related I think to the glue, but as long as it will be permanently intact once you do the few hour dry I hope that will be good to go. The dock gets pretty warm so I will be hoping it goes well for you, if you happen to think of it please let me know how it does end up going as I have one of the same protectors but am waiting to apply it till I get more sourced info on the melting issue. Thanks man.
Ah, that's right - I forgot about that. Thank you for the further example. I do think that in addition to spotlighting smaller titles they like to do this for major titles to get their first bit of buzz not long before release - stuff like MM 3DS and Super Mario 3D World are major titles announced 3-6 months before release. But, in general I agree it is a wise strategy for them, whichever the reason, and certainly as you said they do often leverage it to push smaller games.
Spyder_Monkey
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They were making a Pokemon game for the 3DS at the time...
KratosEnergyDrink
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People owning multiple console revisions is widespread, like PS4, Slim, Pro or XOnes, that is normal, especially for early adapters/gaf user.
So the number is not "misleading" because everyone (should) know that 50 million sold PS4 or 3DS are not equal to 50 mio different user.
Regarding WiiU & 3DS... the lineup is quite similar, so I don't think that every WiiU owner or even 1/4 of them has a 3DS too.
Arguing that Switch falling behind Vita is a matter of "concern" when other posters quite clearly laid out that the Vita failed to sell through its initial shipment while Switch remains supply constrained. After being corrected he still maintains that position on this very page.
In this thread he makes the exact same out of context argument about Switch falling behind WiiU which is directly relevant and ignores that the subject has already been covered in the Media Create thread that he cites.
A simple misunderstanding is one thing, but persistently clinging to a disingenuous argument after being corrected multiple times suggests that he's deliberately trying to push a narrative that he knows is misleading. And since previous attempts to engage him have failed, it seems unlikely that engaging him again will produce a different result.
Steve Youngblood
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Sure. I'm just saying lead with that and not ambiguous character attacks right out of the gate.
Falchion
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Has Nintendo ever done that though?
Will do.
And_Gignac
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You were explained why your concern is wrong. If such concern still holds, like you are holding it in this thread, that means you are concern trolling.