Prototype Viktor
Member
Halo Wars 3 included in the next Forza
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
What is a possible Microsoft answer to Horizon Zero Dawn and Breath of the Wild?
- Thread starter FStubbs
- Start date
Triggerhappytel
Member
Have you actually played Horizon though? How far did you get? And what do you know about Crackdown 3, considering they've only shown a couple of brief videos which have almost entirely focused on the destruction?
I think Fable needs to rest for a few years before they bring it back. Meanwhile Lionhead should have had the chance to make something new; such a waste of a good studio to tie them down to a single franchise
Sure, but I think most people are pointing to MS's lack of compelling original software. How is Scorpio going to resolve that? What's the point of powerful hardware if it doesn't have unique and interesting games to back it up?
Okay, I haven't played the game but going by all the footage and reviews I've watched this sounds like total bullshit. The game is designed in such a way with all these compelling systems like weather, physics, climbing, AI and a truly freeform world that it feels like a step forward for the open world genre.
eso76
Member
"I love only the roses I did not pluck. I love only the things which could have been and weren't"
G. Gozzano
It's a good thing Scalebound never came out to ruin this idealized version of the game people are able to play in their heads.
Who would trade this imaginary masterpiece for an average game that actually exists ?
As for Microsoft, It appears their only answer to anything is Crackdown 3, but we'll see.
G. Gozzano
It's a good thing Scalebound never came out to ruin this idealized version of the game people are able to play in their heads.
Who would trade this imaginary masterpiece for an average game that actually exists ?
As for Microsoft, It appears their only answer to anything is Crackdown 3, but we'll see.
dr_rus
Member
Approximately the same chance of that happening as Half-Life 3 coming out tomorrow exclusive for XB1/Win10.
OléGunner;232539263 said:
This is exactly why I can't see their vision anymore. I understand that video games is a business, but to make it as a service isn't something that I want to see. It just means that publishers will now only focus on a few IPs and collect revenues off of micro transactions, thus will lead to less games (though I guess the long development time is also to be blamed). Growing up with video games as a hobby, I'm used to seeing plethora of innovative games, and I would hate for that to become a rare existence.
Right now? Nothing obviously. Possibly Crackdown 3 I guess but I think it's focus remains different. Maybe Sea of Thieves.
They just didn't take that route. Nintendo doubled down on producing a terrific Zelda game that sought to excel across the board while reflecting trends in open world games. Sony with GG took a risk with a new IP that was open world.
Both paid off well and representing compelling exclusives for their platforms. MS simply hasn't - other than in racing genre and Sea of Thieves - really invested that way (or investments such as Scslebound haven't panned out as well).
They may or may note take specific note of these games but it's obvious they don't have some up until now ignored open field TPS orientated game.
As noted by others the real question is likely do they need one? Will this impact design of Crackdown or other games they develop?
They just didn't take that route. Nintendo doubled down on producing a terrific Zelda game that sought to excel across the board while reflecting trends in open world games. Sony with GG took a risk with a new IP that was open world.
Both paid off well and representing compelling exclusives for their platforms. MS simply hasn't - other than in racing genre and Sea of Thieves - really invested that way (or investments such as Scslebound haven't panned out as well).
They may or may note take specific note of these games but it's obvious they don't have some up until now ignored open field TPS orientated game.
As noted by others the real question is likely do they need one? Will this impact design of Crackdown or other games they develop?
daninthemix
Member
Fable?
Surely they could've done something useful with that, rather than shutting the company.
Surely they could've done something useful with that, rather than shutting the company.
I'm a big Fable fan so I'd love to see it back but with a decent development cycle and some new eyes on the IP. Needs to either be set well before the first,the origins of the heroes, or be set a few hundred years after the last game,post-steampunk, maybe even cyberpunk. They would need a decent Dev as well, someone proven in marrying comedy and drama and someone who can elevate the combat to a decent standard.
However, that is more of a 5 year plan so in reality they could enlist someone to exclusivity over a game they're working on currently. My bet would be getting Bethesda to aim one of their IPs at Microsoft exclusivity, given it would mean it could still be on PC. I think Beth have 1 or 2 new IPs in the works,they could sell well with MS.
However, that is more of a 5 year plan so in reality they could enlist someone to exclusivity over a game they're working on currently. My bet would be getting Bethesda to aim one of their IPs at Microsoft exclusivity, given it would mean it could still be on PC. I think Beth have 1 or 2 new IPs in the works,they could sell well with MS.
Scorpio is powerful.
Which studio are you thinking of? Outside of the Halo, Forza, and GoW studios, there's not much left. There's Rare, which isn't that big anymore and is working on Sea of Thieves. Then there are Mojang and Decisive Games.
MS needs 3rd party for this.
The answer would be, stop using xbox or scorpio and bring a pcbox with pc games.
So the mainstream gamers could stay with ps4 and hardcore gamers can go to pcbox.
People could have this way a reason to buy 3 consoles:
- Sony for the mainstream games. Horizon, call of duty, fifa....
- Micorsoft for hardcore or massive online games: quake4, overwatch, starcraft, wow...
- Nintendo for 3rd party titles and indie titels on the go and their Big First party titels + esport.
Who wouldn't love that?
The answer would be, stop using xbox or scorpio and bring a pcbox with pc games.
So the mainstream gamers could stay with ps4 and hardcore gamers can go to pcbox.
People could have this way a reason to buy 3 consoles:
- Sony for the mainstream games. Horizon, call of duty, fifa....
- Micorsoft for hardcore or massive online games: quake4, overwatch, starcraft, wow...
- Nintendo for 3rd party titles and indie titels on the go and their Big First party titels + esport.
Who wouldn't love that?
Soul of the Beast
Member
All those Scalebound mentions killed me.
Oh trust me I hear ya!
I'm also not too up for the GAAS service delivery but it works when it's an IP I enjoy long term like BF1, Overwatch or Destiny to an extent.
I can't blame Microsoft's reading of the industry tea leaves on what type of first party games to make (it's their competitive advantage anyway imo).
But I enjoy long/rich SP games more (don't mind an added MP component) which some 3rd parties still deliver and Sony is bringing out in spades over the next few years.
I still see MS pumping out a Quantam Break or Recore once in a while but it'll be more the exception than the rule.
OléGunner;232539263 said:
This is a horrible strategy. How many genres has Activision killed? Skating, music, toys to life... even couch shooters are on life support in favor of MOBAs.
Following the money rarely works out in this industry. Remember Kinect? Remember Wonderbook?
Succinct Verbosity
Member
Pretty much. Microsoft need to break the Halo, Gears, Forza cycle. Before people say Nintendo do the same thing with Mario and Zelda, the key difference is those franchises can be redisigned countless times whereas there is only so much you can do with Halo.
wapplew
Member
Kinect help later half of 360 growth a lot.
Who know, maybe MS publishing betting on GAAS payoff at the end. They won't keep doing it if it didn't work.
Beerman462
Member
Answer to HZD Crackdown. Answer to BotW...Crackdown.
Yeah, it got nowhere near this much love before.
TanookiTom
Member
in my opinion Scalebound never looked like a promising game and I don't think it would have been an answer to those games or a system seller in general. Seems like Microsoft thought the same.
The sad answer is that as an Xbox owner I have to say: Nothing. I think the Xbox One is a great console for many reasons, but not for its games. Microsoft really needs to pick that ball back up and start investing in game development.
The sad answer is that as an Xbox owner I have to say: Nothing. I think the Xbox One is a great console for many reasons, but not for its games. Microsoft really needs to pick that ball back up and start investing in game development.
Memorabilia
Member
For me, yes...definitely. I love the 1st one so much I triple dipped. Really looking forward to the sequel.
KInect made tons of money and helped Microsoft reinvigorate Xbox 360 sales in the latter half of its life. It was one of the best selling peripherals ever.
MilkyJoe
Member
Me, I want a console without a manky controller. And there's no FH on PS or anything even remotely like it.
Scalebound was the highest placed Xbox One exclusive in the NeoGAF's Most Anticipated Games of 2017 results, ahead of Crackdown 3 and Sea of Thieves.
You can say that it placing only #22 was not showing much love for it, but it was the highest for the platform.
Pcbox could also work with every controller you want, it doesn't have to be diffecult.
MilkyJoe
Member
They only PC cross over I am interested is if I could play my old Win XP games on Xbox,
miller.skippins
Banned
TV TV TV..
I do remember Kinect, the best selling add-on ever. Or did it get overtook by something recently? Feel like it may of been something apple related.
AAA games are becoming more and more expensive yet aren't generating any more revenue on sales. If you don't evolve them become more service like, you can expect that market to become ever more shrunken.
Just read up why Epic didn't make Gears 4.
This. With the child protagonist (and the awful headphones) I had zero interest in that. Especially the horrible music that played during the battles.
For me like I've already said - Xbox needs Fable again. Loved that series.
Really surprised with the many Crackdown 3 mentions. the second game is round 70 metacritic and the third one just seems like a "late" cloud tech showcase.
Doesn't look promising, let alone an answer to one of this gen's best.
I'm just really curious in the potentially new IP announcements in the upcoming E3.
Doesn't look promising, let alone an answer to one of this gen's best.
I'm just really curious in the potentially new IP announcements in the upcoming E3.
Magic Mushroom
Member
Kamiya has an impeccable track record. I'm sure he would've made a great game. Also, it looked fresh. Just the kinda game MS needed, at least for my tastes.
Dark Cloud
Member
I don't care about MS countering Horizon and Zelda. They just need great games and a variety of games. Big games with lots of colors would be nice.
Doomshroom
Member
It was also complete shit and alienated big parts of thier fanbase.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Here's what I expect to see at MS's E3:
I don't think I've missed anything they have currently announced? Most of all, I hope they have some major new IPs in development. They need to let their premier studios like 343 and Turn 10 try new things. And they need to try and launch new tentpole franchises like Horizon, The Last of Us, Xenoblade and Splatoon. That's probably been their major failing since the Xbox 360 heyday.
- Scorpio reveal, price, specs etc
- Scorpio boost for major first-party releases (Gears 4, Forza Horizon 3, Halo Wars 2, Halo 5)
- Strong Scorpio/Play Anywhere push for major third-party releases (i.e Shadow of Wardor and presumably others. Maybe Assassin's Creed Empire? Probably a couple of other big third party pre-Christmas releases I'm forgetting. The Evil Within 2 perhaps?)
- Forza 7, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2 all being pushed with their Scorpio versions. Probably all releasing in the second half of this year
- Ori 2 announced
- Maybe a showcase for their smaller/indie exclusives like Below, Cuphead, Ashen, etc
- Maybe a tease for the next Halo game
- Maybe some more HD remasters if Voodoo Vince and Phantom Dust do well
- Hopefully at least one major new IP
I don't think I've missed anything they have currently announced? Most of all, I hope they have some major new IPs in development. They need to let their premier studios like 343 and Turn 10 try new things. And they need to try and launch new tentpole franchises like Horizon, The Last of Us, Xenoblade and Splatoon. That's probably been their major failing since the Xbox 360 heyday.
That is pretty damning... :/
By the way I am also not sure Scalebound would have been the hit/system seller that many believe it was/could've been. If Microsoft had faith in the game they would've seen the development through, even through rougher times.
miller.skippins
Banned
Kinect committed Sepukku on itself on the Xbox One launch though..
Scorpio will run with higher specs/graphics/framerate all the third party games and that is all MS needs. And as a platform the Xbox has its share of quality AAA exclusive games and who can say that MS didn't try (and obviously failed) to bring new IP's in the console.
I don't think that first party titles have so much impact in the current generation and just by looking at console game sales of the last three years its easy to come to this conclusion.
How much Sony first party titles sold compared to PS4's 65 mil install base?
Bloodborne, one of the best games of the generation, sold just 2.7 mil, which is 4-5% of the PS4 hardware install base
Last Guardian, almost 1 mil, Horizon Zero Dawn, lets say 3 mil in its launch month.
Uncharted 4 I think is currently the most successful first party, at 8-9 mil (12% of the install base) but did these numbers after many sales/heavy discounts/bundles, and all other Sony first party titles sold under 2 mil each.
The average person that has a PS4 is using it as a console mainly to play third party games at higher specs compared with how the same games run on Xbox One, and this will dramatically change with Scorpio.
I don't think that first party titles have so much impact in the current generation and just by looking at console game sales of the last three years its easy to come to this conclusion.
How much Sony first party titles sold compared to PS4's 65 mil install base?
Bloodborne, one of the best games of the generation, sold just 2.7 mil, which is 4-5% of the PS4 hardware install base
Last Guardian, almost 1 mil, Horizon Zero Dawn, lets say 3 mil in its launch month.
Uncharted 4 I think is currently the most successful first party, at 8-9 mil (12% of the install base) but did these numbers after many sales/heavy discounts/bundles, and all other Sony first party titles sold under 2 mil each.
The average person that has a PS4 is using it as a console mainly to play third party games at higher specs compared with how the same games run on Xbox One, and this will dramatically change with Scorpio.
Triggerhappytel
Member
It was the biggest game ever from one of the most consistent and celebrated creators in the industry. Despite a couple of ropey showings, I think people had faith that Kamiya would deliver.
miller.skippins
Banned
if this is MS's strategy in trying to grab marketshare from sony in Europe and Asia (more power), then good luck to them.
MilkyJoe
Member
I'd like to see an Alan Wake 2 announcement where the game actually resembles the first trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrGOtrrfMuk
Similar threads
- Locked